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Cynicyclonian 
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 Topic: Will Verses Technique: no compromisePosted: 07/07/2011 at 12:03am |
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Learning from Reality l Playing Detached l Personal Analytical l Creative Fight against Yourself l Fight against opponent Pragmatic l Idealistic Introvert l Extrovert All these traits are generalities made to illustrate a point. The point remains, at the highest level, which survives? Feel free to copy the above text and add/edit. Prove your point. |
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I don't understand why topics like these keep coming up. "Does technique really matter?" Of course it does! "What about will?" That obviously matters too. What makes a person a great player is their ability to combine technique and will. Do you think Rocky would have survived if he didn't train or didn't know how to box? The guy had all the will in the world but he wouldn't have survived if he didn't know how to box.
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Posted: 07/07/2011 at 5:46am |
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Im not sure exactly how you are proposing to have a meaningful discussion about will on the internet. Even technique is messy and its way more concrete than will.
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Attempt #2
There are 2 forms of players: 1. Who believe they can control the game by the "feel" and/or by judging/predicting the spin/pace/arc/momentum/etc. 2. Second, who do not believe in themselves, but science. And therefore, they try to win by innovation, secret techniques, superior understanding, etc. They place values on Theory of Odds, physics, biology, Physiology, etc. Do you understand what I mean? Its a complete separate world. 1. Intuitive, ex. Liqin, Schlager, Weixing, (obsessive) 2. Researcher, ex. Waldner, Ma Lin, Wang Hao, (curious) Respectively. Am I making myself clear? Edited by Cynicyclonian - 07/07/2011 at 7:04pm |
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i'm not sure if it was the convex or concave loop that was the product of intuition or research.
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I think they can both exist at the highest level just as many different styles still exist. I tend to be more analytical however.
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I suppose will would be comparable to torque in an engine, and technique the horsepower (or possibly the other way around). You have to apply will with some technique. Balance, of course, would be excellent, but there is plenty room for one being much stronger than the other. which is better? I think at lower levels, technique would be a little more important, but at higher levels, they balance out more, maybe (debatable, anyway) even will becomes more important as technique is so refined. just some thoughts. feel free to ignore this as garbage.
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By your definition, you're saying Walder, Ma Lin, and Wang Hao don't believe in themselves and don't have the correct mentality, but rather they rely solely on their skill. I don't know what to say about that...Those are some big names to generalize under that type of category. Same goes for the others you listed in in rule #1. What you're asking for is the extreme of either end and there's no such thing. Neither is better and they must coexist in order to become a good player. You can separate these guys into many different categories, but what you're separating is probably everything that they all have in common. LOL...Waldner doesn't have the will to win??....c'mon now LOL
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Sound a bit like a Sid thread to me.
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+1 to that apw46, definitely a sid thread. if it gets worse ill lock these kind of senseless threads
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Attempt #3
We are all born with innate knowledge on how to survive. It is ingrained within our genes. However, as we grow older, we started to question it. I define those 2 category of players based on 1, who are persistent and do not bow down to reality. And 2, who do not know whether they should follow their impulses or not. To speak clearly, we are all born extremist, passionate towards life, some become conservative, whereas others may keep switching sides, but they remain ever-so-passionate. This distinction is made by choice, not how we are made. Therefore, it is possible that people in one category may still show some signs of people in another. My question: Which category do you belong to, why? And for this reason, do you believe it is the best method of survival? And please, whoever is Sid, this does not consult me, you all look like moderators, so I am sure you have a Moderation group where you can move this discussion.
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if we were all born with an innate knowledge of how to survive there would not be babies who reject their mothers breasts and milk to the point of starvation.
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Of course, the baby is born with the innate will! In this particular case, he doesn't know any better :(
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There is no survival, everything passes away. Loss, sickness, death are all part of life, it doesn't matter your mindset, there's no escaping it.
If you actually mean table tennis, it's the person who manages to score the most points that wins, doesn't matter how or why, but the first step is realizing that one extreme or the other won't work. |
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Table tennis is for fun, not for survival. If you rely on TT to survive, you will be dead in no time.
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I use it to lose extra weight. Especially now, when the club serves a double purpose - TT and Finnish sauna.
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At highest level, Table Tennis is not about fun, its about survival.
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It sounds like what you're wondering is, at the highest levels of the sport, which myer-briggs personality type is most prevalent?
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Seems as if no one here plays Table Tennis to prove...
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Seems like you're turning table tennis into something that is totally not meant to be......not fun...
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If lucky, our 4 highest-level nationals get 200 or 300 euro per month. I don't think this sum fits even the definition of survival money.
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Its survival of a higher plane on Maslow's Hierarchy: Self-esteem/Self-actualization.
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Even according to Maslow, the lower needs have to be satisfied in order for the higher to take place.
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remind me again why this is in coaching and tips and not in the off topic section?
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idk.
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In the future, please limit metaphysiopsychological topics to the Off-Topic section. |
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ok.
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hmm,if you ask about will i can say i got it but the problem is lacking technique that concern me now..practice and practice,huhu
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I call Sid thread too
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