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ashishsharmaait 
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Hi,
What hardness do people prefer with H3N on the BH? Any other DHS rubbers for the BH? Thanks |
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Hozuki
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Posted: 07/23/2017 at 7:58am |
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TinArc, GoldArc, H3-50, and Skyline 3-60 are popular options for BH due to their softer sponge (around 35-37 degree DHS scale).
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ashishsharmaait
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Posted: 07/23/2017 at 8:05am |
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Skyline 3-60, what is the top sheet grip like? Does it take booster well? And how is the weight compared to H3N? |
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Hozuki
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Posted: 07/23/2017 at 10:24am |
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I have an unopened sheet here, red in 37 degree, but I don't have the time to try it out for at least a week. What I can tell you is that it's not tacky, quite big pore sponge and weights 66 grams uncut.
It should boost well and be grippy, that's what I heard and partly reason for why I bought it. |
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Shifu
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Posted: 07/23/2017 at 12:01pm |
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I like Skyline 3-60 a lot on backhand. Grippy but not really tacky and a bit bouncier than H3 Neo.
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ashishsharmaait
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Posted: 07/23/2017 at 12:54pm |
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I have been playing T64 on the BH for a couple of years now and wanted to switch over to H3N, which I have been using forever on my FH. The reason for the switch is that I do not practice as much as I used to. I am comfortable with the H3N 39 but find it a bit slow for my BH. What I do like is the topspin rip against pushes, effortless blocks and very well placed BH opening and short game. However after 2 -3 counters, I find that it does not have enough pace. I was wondering what would do better, a 37/38 degree H3N (boosted of course) or something like Skyline 3-60. Of course a well controlled tensor would be good as well. |
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Shifu
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Posted: 07/23/2017 at 1:31pm |
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I got a 39 degree H3 Neo on my forehand and switched sides and I definitely liked the skyline better, not much bouncier but way easier to play because of the sponge with the shorter BH stroke and banana flick. Also easier for blocking.
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Posted: 07/24/2017 at 3:13pm |
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if you are going to boost, no need to spend the extra money on H3Neo.
You can try Palio CJ8000 in 36-38 or even 40 (Japanese or Chinese sponge). For the price of one H3 Neo, you can find 2-3 Palio... Similar weight, a little faster, still tacky enough for short game and BH service.
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schen
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Posted: 07/24/2017 at 5:22pm |
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37d provincial neo works well. I used it last season boosted for NCTTA on my rpb and it worked great even with the crappy double fish 40+ ball. It is not as mushy as the TG3-60, feels much more stable to open and flip with on the BH, and gives you a little help in safety and spin on shorter strokes compared the regular 39d.
The best part of it though is that the 37d H3neo gives you a lot of gears on blocking and countering - you can soft block for a shallow return easily because of the less dense and not very bouncy sponge, or you can punch through the ball without fear of the ball flying out since the sponge is not super elastic like tenergy, or you can close and snap for a VERY fast counter-rip thanks to the tackiness of the topsheet. It's a really dynamic option, but I stopped using it myself because I didn't want to have to deal with re-boosting both sides of my racket all the time.
 One side is already enough of a hassle, but if the time commitment is no object to you, go for it!Edited by schen - 07/24/2017 at 5:23pm |
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Posted: 07/24/2017 at 6:21pm |
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Hi schen,
For your forehand, what are you currently boosting your H3neo with, and how many layers? Or would you recommend instead pre-boosted rubber like Haifu Whale 3 or Dianchi D? Thanks!
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schen
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Posted: 07/24/2017 at 6:43pm |
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I was using Haifu Black Oil for a while (prott.vip has it now - previously bought from taobao), but stopped since it is too expensive and tedious to keep buying from overseas since they can only ship liquids by snail mail (takes 1-2 months to arrive, no tracking) instead of DHL. I will wait until ttnpp hopefully catches on and stocks it like they did with Kailin after a while, as HK post is much quicker from my experience lately.
I've been mixing boosters lately - Haifu Seamoon for added pace, spin, and high throw with Kailin for added softness and feel. I mix them in a separate bottle in equal parts before applying 4 layers. While I think there still isn't anything that can beat a boosted h3neo, I've been trying to move away from chinese rubber at Stellan's advice. I've also had less and less time to devote to training, and consequently my form has been suffering. I did not like any Haifu rubber I've tried so far, and I have not tried the new Dianchi rubber yet so I can't comment on those. I may just go down a hardness degree in hurricane to make my life a bit easier instead if I can't find anything else that's suitable.
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Posted: 07/25/2017 at 7:29pm |
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I would recommend Skyline 3-60, 35° for backhand.
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Posted: 07/26/2017 at 12:29am |
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I have tried the Skyline 3-60, mid-hard. It is a bit mushy for me. I am used to harder, more direct rubbers.
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Hozuki
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Posted: 07/26/2017 at 7:56am |
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Then your only other option with dhs is goldarc, it goes up to 50 degree hardness (esn scale).
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Posted: 07/26/2017 at 9:14am |
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50 would probably be too much, I was hoping someone who had played with GOLDARC 47.5 could pitch in. If not, I would probably buy Rozena or R42 or V47 and be done with it. |
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Hozuki
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Posted: 07/26/2017 at 9:27am |
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Just curious, since overseas version does not provide exact labeling, what did your TG3-60 mid-hard feel like in terms of hardness? Domestic market version comes in 35 and 37 deg, so does mid-hard equal 37?
Just in case I ever want to restock from my local supplier. |
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Posted: 07/26/2017 at 9:34am |
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I played with it. It is like Nittaku Fastarc P-1, it is very bouncy and fast, with decent spin.
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-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
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Posted: 07/26/2017 at 10:35am |
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I had 2 versions, one from tt11 and another from a shop in Beijing shi. The tt11 one was mid-hard and the other was marked at 37. Both played the same. |
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Posted: 07/26/2017 at 10:37am |
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How is the speed/spin compared to T64 or T05? How is the surface grip and more importantly the weight of the 47.5 hardness version? |
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Posted: 07/26/2017 at 12:21pm |
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I am not sure, I only used it for about 20 minutes on a friend's racket. I can comment on Fastarc P-1 though. It is light, but don't use that as an objective measure. I think everything is light. It is, I think, a bit faster than T05 and T64, with less 'easy spin'. But, if you work for the spin, you will get lots. Not as much as T05, but perhaps as much as T64. I can't comment on surface grip, I don't exactly remember how it was (I used it a while ago). All I know is when I picked up GA8 I thought 'wow, this looks exactly like Fastarc P-1".
You are better off asking others for comparison, I have barely used Tenergy.
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-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
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Posted: 07/26/2017 at 6:44pm |
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Which H3 orange sponge #22 is the softest? 37°? And the hardest? 41°?
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Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
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Posted: 07/26/2017 at 10:44pm |
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Yes, as far as I know.
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-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
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