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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

I have said for 45 years that LP's should not be allowed in competition. I believe it would be a wonderful move by the ITTF to ban them. I played with LP's in the past. I know how to defeat players using LP's. I will never change my mind on this subject ever. Defensive players have anti, inverted, and SP's. that's enough. What is the ITTF going to approve next?...extra long pips? As long as the under the table deals exist between the ITTF and the manufacturers nothing will change...just my 2 cents.

Can you elaborate why do you think antispin rubbers (including truly frictionless ones) should be legal, but not LPs? 


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Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

I have said for 45 years that LP's should not be allowed in competition. I believe it would be a wonderful move by the ITTF to ban them. I played with LP's in the past. I know how to defeat players using LP's. I will never change my mind on this subject ever. Defensive players have anti, inverted, and SP's. that's enough. What is the ITTF going to approve next?...extra long pips? As long as the under the table deals exist between the ITTF and the manufacturers nothing will change...just my 2 cents.


Can you elaborate why do you think antispin rubbers (including truly frictionless ones) should be legal, but not LPs? 




LP's have an extra element of deception over anti depending on the stroke. Anti is just that "anti" to nullify spin. Attacking shots with anti a player knows exactly what is coming...with LP's...not so much.
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Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

Originally posted by liulin04 liulin04 wrote:

Which long pips are the most popular besides Tibhar Grass D.TecS?  I'm going to play defensive seriously now in order to combat those pesky and annoying little kids.  I played with the P-1R before but didn't find it as varying in spin as Grass.  Any suggestions?  I'm going to pair it with either of my Joo Sae Hyuk or Diode.

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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

I have said for 45 years that LP's should not be allowed in competition. I believe it would be a wonderful move by the ITTF to ban them. I played with LP's in the past. I know how to defeat players using LP's. I will never change my mind on this subject ever. Defensive players have anti, inverted, and SP's. that's enough. What is the ITTF going to approve next?...extra long pips? As long as the under the table deals exist between the ITTF and the manufacturers nothing will change...just my 2 cents.


Can you elaborate why do you think antispin rubbers (including truly frictionless ones) should be legal, but not LPs? 




LP's have an extra element of deception over anti depending on the stroke. Anti is just that "anti" to nullify spin. Attacking shots with anti a player knows exactly what is coming...with LP's...not so much.
...and this is opposite to what J.O. Waldner said about pips and anti, a few years back.
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Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

I have said for 45 years that LP's should not be allowed in competition. I believe it would be a wonderful move by the ITTF to ban them. I played with LP's in the past. I know how to defeat players using LP's. I will never change my mind on this subject ever. Defensive players have anti, inverted, and SP's. that's enough. What is the ITTF going to approve next?...extra long pips? As long as the under the table deals exist between the ITTF and the manufacturers nothing will change...just my 2 cents.


Can you elaborate why do you think antispin rubbers (including truly frictionless ones) should be legal, but not LPs? 




LP's have an extra element of deception over anti depending on the stroke. Anti is just that "anti" to nullify spin. Attacking shots with anti a player knows exactly what is coming...with LP's...not so much.
...and this is opposite to what J.O. Waldner said about pips and anti, a few years back.


What he said was:

"It is hard to become good with anti as it – per definition – makes it hard to add spin to the ball. Long pips suit defenders very well though. In spite of that it is very hard to become a really good defender these days. It is no longer enough to be good defensively, you will need a very good offensive game as well. That means that to become a really good modern defender, you will have to practise twice as much"

from http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=11897




Edited by icontek - 12/23/2018 at 10:22pm
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