No longer Hinoki outerply on BTY?

I´m wondering why BTW discontinued former KLH special as well as some other hinoki-cypress japanese outer Hinoki blades such a Jonyer Hinoki, JH Special, or the more recent Kiso Hinoki V-VII. I Particularly did like KLHS due to its lightness and its unique a distinct feeling with provided tons of control and feeling despite being a fiber blade. Apart from Primorac Carbon, hinoki has been vanished for their vast array of blade selection. Sadly, the current mainstream tends to be quite the same: super fast/heavy blades based on Limba or koto outerplys. They indeed claimed to made a breakthrough when it comes to  blade crafting but they barely offer anything from the typical plywood selection. 

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Edited by stiltt - 12/31/2023 at 2:32pm

jonyer1980 wrote: I´m wondering why BTW discontinued former KLH special as well as some other hinoki-cypress japanese outer Hinoki blades such a Jonyer Hinoki, JH Special, or the more recent Kiso Hinoki V-VII. I Particularly did like KLHS due to its lightness and its unique a distinct feeling with provided tons of control and feeling despite being a fiber blade. Apart from Primorac Carbon, hinoki has been vanished for their vast array of blade selection. Sadly, the current mainstream tends to be quite the same: super fast/heavy blades based on Limba or koto outerplys. They indeed claimed to made a breakthrough when it comes to  blade crafting but they barely offer anything from the typical plywood selection.  Just my two cents.

jt99sf wrote: That’s why Photino continues to be one of my favorite blades.

jonyer1980 wrote: I´m wondering why BTW discontinued former KLH special as well as some other hinoki-cypress japanese outer Hinoki blades such a Jonyer Hinoki, JH Special, or the more recent Kiso Hinoki V-VII. I Particularly did like KLHS due to its lightness and its unique a distinct feeling with provided tons of control and feeling despite being a fiber blade. Apart from Primorac Carbon, hinoki has been vanished for their vast array of blade selection. Sadly, the current mainstream tends to be quite the same: super fast/heavy blades based on Limba or koto outerplys. They indeed claimed to made a breakthrough when it comes to  blade crafting but they barely offer anything from the typical plywood selection.  Just my two cents.

GeneralSpecific wrote: jonyer1980 wrote: I´m wondering why BTW discontinued former KLH special as well as some other hinoki-cypress japanese outer Hinoki blades such a Jonyer Hinoki, JH Special, or the more recent Kiso Hinoki V-VII. I Particularly did like KLHS due to its lightness and its unique a distinct feeling with provided tons of control and feeling despite being a fiber blade. Apart from Primorac Carbon, hinoki has been vanished for their vast array of blade selection. Sadly, the current mainstream tends to be quite the same: super fast/heavy blades based on Limba or koto outerplys. They indeed claimed to made a breakthrough when it comes to  blade crafting but they barely offer anything from the typical plywood selection.  Discontinued, too. Just my two cents.  The Garaydia series has a hinoki outer ply. I tried my friend's Garaydia ALC and it feels quite nice

liulin04 wrote: jonyer1980 wrote: I´m wondering why BTW discontinued former KLH special as well as some other hinoki-cypress japanese outer Hinoki blades such a Jonyer Hinoki, JH Special, or the more recent Kiso Hinoki V-VII. I Particularly did like KLHS due to its lightness and its unique a distinct feeling with provided tons of control and feeling despite being a fiber blade. Apart from Primorac Carbon, hinoki has been vanished for their vast array of blade selection. Sadly, the current mainstream tends to be quite the same: super fast/heavy blades based on Limba or koto outerplys. They indeed claimed to made a breakthrough when it comes to  blade crafting but they barely offer anything from the typical plywood selection.  Just my two cents.  Don't forget Schlager Carbon also.  I believe the discontinuation of the Hinoki is due to its limited quantities since Hinoki wood takes many many years to mature and age into playable condition.  I recall Butterfly used to use 300-year old hinoki to make their high end 1-ply hinoki blades.  Take Darker for example, pretty much all of their superior quality 1-ply hinoki jpens are very difficult to find, due to the very very limited amount of hinoki wood remaining.

They still have 3 outer hinoki shakehand blades:

Looking on Ebay, Schlager Light is also apparently still available from Korea