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ttman 
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schalger not tru man, in the chnz superleague Ma ususally finishes ahead of Wang in stands and head to head its just Wang plays better on the international pro tour
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I know it s not 9 out of 10 but he has got the grip on him...
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bigreddawgie
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nice lists sabito.
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Thanks, I knew the info would be interesting for me and now I realize you like it too. |
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Many times when they play it is close, with the game changing as far as who is in control. Maybe Wang Liqin wins more overall, but it is not an easy win anytime he beats Ma Lin, as it is not an easy win when Ma Lin beats Wang. They know each other very well. 
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Might seem a strange question but: Why does Wang Liqin play so much better on the international pro tour, I mean in the fact that he so very rarely loses and he just oozes form and confidence. In the superleague loads of people beat him, especially ma lin and ma long, but when it comes to the internationals he always comes through - strong and usually comfortable as well.
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Its because he can just play the same game over and over gain and dominate people with shear power and speed. Its not like Ma Lin where he has to plan every point in advance and only ever goes full power in the finals. By the finals Ma Lin would be mentally exhausted and Wang Liqin would be all warmed up ready to play his power game again.
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That is not even close to being true... It seems like it is just mental focus. Perhaps the 3-set format is easier for Ma Lin than the 4-set. Maybe they just focus on different tournmaments with a different amount of motivation. The ITTF puts on BIG events, so it is hard to play those all year, on a grand stage, and beat all the same people. But if you watch, they both do this, it is just that in the end Wang Liqin ends up winning more in those ITTF games because he steadies his nerves quicker/better. It seems it is a little harder for Ma Lin to come back from some mental mistakes in bigger tournaments. I would not say that Wang is just so much superior, and Ma Lin has to plan to win, COME ON, they are both top 5 Chinese table tennis players of the WORLD. Every point is planned, and then they have to react based on where the ball goes, because it does not always go where you planned, or where your opponent planned. This is why they train so hard all year, to be able to play their best against high-level competition. If you watch the last World Championships (not team), you can see that they BOTH made it to the final, because they are so close in ability. Wang Liqin ended up winning that match 4-2, but you cannot just rely on the score and say he is ultimately better. Many times when they play it is close every set, and in that game Ma Lin had taken the advantage and was on his way to victory, and he decided to take a time-out. After that time-out he basically lost the advantage mentally, and Wang Liqin played great. But earlier in the match like I said, Wang was having problems, as the Eurosport commentator said, "he was choking", in the World Championships Final. So you see this is not so easy to compare, they are extremely good and close in skills. I recommend you watch as many of their games as you can to see what I am talking about.
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I think I wrote this in another thread, but my opinion is that Ma Lin is a better player then Liqin when you only look at there playing abilitys. I guess thats why he wins in the superleague. When it comes to the big tournaments I feel that Liqin has better nerves, Ma Lin sometimes look shaky and taken by the moment. Still, they are so close that it all comes down to who is in best form on gameday...
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Exactly  , whoever makes less mistakes on that day wins the match.
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i think they say that because his fh has a lot of power, more than ma lin, in terms of speed. spin i wouldn t deny ma lin has more. but in terms of power ryu should have more |
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Kim Taek Soo too. Since jpen generally is more of a power grip compared to cpen.
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I wouldn t agree at all. You must look at what equipment they use if you are going to correctly judge everything. The smaller racket design of the Korean penholders is designed for speed, so naturally it will look like he has more power. Ryu is very good and constantly getting better, but he just does not have the control, or power that Ma Lin has. So everyone understands what I mean, when I say power I mean how hard a person could physically strike a ball while keeping it in play. |
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I would call that consistency rather than power. I definitely see power in Ma Lin s forehand, but I don t see the amount that jpen can do compared to cpens. I m not talking about control though. More as power and speed. |
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It is still power. It doesn t matter how hard you can hit the ball if you don t hit the table, that is what I mean. Ma Lin hits about the hardest while keeping it on the table. Now if Ryu s racket makes the ball go faster because of the design then that is something different. When I say Power, I mean how hard you connect with the ball, with or without a "speed" racket. There is no question that Ryu plays very fast, but he is no different than the other top Korean penholders really... he is just better Lee Jung Woo can also have a fast forehand because of his racket. Ahh, anyway, this has gotten off the point. Ryu is good yes, but when comparing his forehand against top players, and in top matches against Ma Lin s.. it doesn t come out number 1. Ma Lin just has too much skill and experience. He has much better control, much better spin, and in my opinion he has just as much power as Ryu, if not worlds more. Wang Hao is also great, and right behind Ma Lin in the ITTF ranking. If anyone makes the call for best forehand of a penholder, it would more likely be one of those 2. In the past maybe someone like Peng-Lung Chiang, or Kim Taek Soo, but today Ma Lin, Wang Hao, and Ryu are tops. |
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