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varghesep
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Posted: 02/15/2007 at 1:28am |
I played against a good player today. I don't know the ball he returns
is underspin or floating ball. I have a good feeling of underspin ball
(even with side spin), but the balls I receive from him may not be
underspin. I can't loop those balls - can't lift it. These floating
balls (I may be wrong) float more in the air rather than falls on the
table in a stoop tragectory. The only way I can return these balls is
through pushing. Then how long you can push? Any idea how to attack
these floating balls? Or are they balls with too much under spin?
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shij421
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if it's underspin u loop up if it's no spin u loop forward...
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WLiqin
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well it sounds like this person is a defender that plays heavy
backspin, so u have two options: u can either try to loop the ball but
the way to loop is not behind the ball but on the side of the ball cuz
thats where there is less spin, or u could hit a flat shot which is
quite hard if u ask me.
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shij421
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let's determine the spin he's giving you here, because the info you gave us is contrasting itself.
what kind of rubber is he using? (inverted, short pimple or long pimple?) what spin did you give him before he made a 'float ball' back to you? (top or under?) how did he return the ball? (chop, hit, loop?) |
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pingpongpaddy
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First lets be clear (for any noobies reading): A backspin is called chop. It will go down off attackers bat. A fake backspin is called float. The stroke looks like heavy chop but only has a little backspin. If attacker does not read it He will lift off the table. If he reads it he can do sinking drive (forward loop) or kill. As I think you are saying say you cant lift it, I think this is high heavy chop, probably to the end of the table. This is a difficult ball and a test of your technique with the lifting drive. You can also instead of doing lifting drive (strong topspin), try high roll (light topspin) with same high arc as loop with slightly open racket. Your opp may try to hit this one so its important that your light topspin is good length (end of table). If he chops it he may have to chop lighter so you may be able to loop normally next ball, then roll again etc. You have now come across a situation which will become common as you play stronger players. If you cant do lifting Drive (loop) its very useful to do high roll. High roll you must practice until you can do easily withot a mistake. This experience should be useful in future when you are chopping again! |
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varghesep
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Thanks guys for the feedback.
I gave him a under and side spin serve. I'm very sure he returned as underspin (because his racket went under it). He returns the same way if I push the ball. He uses inverted chineese rubbers (no pips). It may not be chops. He brushes the ball 30 degree down towards where the ball goes. His shorts are like long pushes. From PingPongPaddy's comments, I think this may not be a floating ball because this has too much spin (you can see the ball spinning in the air and coming slowly.). When I see this ball coming to my FH or BH, I struggle how to hit. After I did few pushes, then I tried to lift it high, but I can't. I may not be lifting these balls high enough though - may not be positing well. However in the second match, he beat me 3-2 (I took 2 games out of him), but the technique I used was convert all his underspin to topspin. This helped to reduce the underspin from him a little so that I can loop. |
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pimpmyracket
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If your vision is good, you can try to look for the logo on the ball. Especially if the ball is floating, you should usually have more time to look for the logo.
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varghesep
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I think I have a good vision. Seems like it is not a floating ball because the ball was spinning. It may be chops with some side spin.
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shij421
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if he chopped it with inverted rubber then it's underspin, loop upwards, HARD.
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varghesep
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What should be the contact point if it is turning towards you (I'm right handed)? I have tried the loop on underspin going away from me at 3'O clock, and have worked.
The balls coming towards you I can't loop with FH (BH works some times) - it simply goes to the net.
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I dont understand, what stroke did you use? |
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If you're looping underspin and it's going into the net, then you're having trouble lifting the ball high enough. Try looping straight up. Normal loops are diagonally forward, but for the easiest way to loop underspin, swing straight up, not forward at all! Once you can confidently lift that over the net all the time, then you can start swinging it a little more forward to make a more aggressive shot. |
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