Home made glue help

The problem with some cleansers is that there are other ingredients along with D-limonene.  THat may be the reason why you only get a little dome.  But the lighter fluid should have helped the cause. 

How much of the ingredients did you use?  Volume-wise?

You can find the D-Limonene under it's stronger strengthed verson name - Grumbacher Grumtine in Art stores like Michaels.  It is used in paintings.

I wonder if they will sell through internet?

but the pure stuff is harder to come by.  You might try a Chemical store like for Chemists.  THey might sell it.

FYI

from florida chemical

d-Limonene is the major component of the oil extracted from citrus rind.  When citrus fruits are juiced, the oil is pressed out of the rind.  This oil is separated from the juice, and distilled to recover certain flavor and fragrance compounds.  The bulk of the oil is left behind and collected.  This is food grade d-limonene.  After the juicing process, the peels are conveyed to a steam extractor.  This extracts more of the oil from the peel.  When the steam is condensed, a layer of oil floats on the surface of the condensed water.  This is technical grade d-limonene.

 In the past decade, the use of d-limonene has expanded tremendously.  Much of the product goes into making paint solids, used to impart an orange fragrance to products, and used as a secondary cooling fluid.  But the largest growth segment has been the use of d-limonene in cleaning products.  This has occurred in both industrial uses and in household/institutional products.  d-Limonene can be used either as a straight solvent, or as a water dilutable product.

 As a straight solvent,   d-limonene can replace a wide variety of products, including mineral spirits, methyl ethyl ketone, acetone, toluene, glycol ethers, and of course fluorinated and chlorinated organic solvents.  As with most organic solvents, d-limonene is not water soluble, so it can be used in the typical water separation units.  With a KB value of 67, d-limonene has solubility properties close to that of CFC�s, indicating that it is a much better solvent than a typical mineral spirit.   Straight d-limonene can be used as a wipe cleaner, in a dip bath, or in spray systems as a direct substitute for most other organic solvents.

 By combining d-limonene with a surfactant package, a water dilutable and rinsible solution can be made.  In most cases these products are used in the institutional and household settings in place of caustic and other water based cleaners.  A concentrated solution of a d-limonene/surfactant solution can be made to be diluted before use, or pre-diluted solutions can be formed.  The use concentrations of d-limonene in these situations are usually 5-15%.  In general these solutions are used as spray and wipe cleaners.  The water dilutable solutions can also be used in industrial settings where a water rinse of the parts is desired to remove any residue which may remain.

d-Limonene is a very versatile chemical which can be used in a wide variety of applications.  It is extremely safe and more effective than typical cleaning solutions.

Cheers Leeroy!

Lets just hope the final products works out cheaper than real speed glue!

Hi, This is my  experiment after reading the self -made gule thread here.

I got all the ingredients in Michael's (one-stop shopping) in Canada.

Rubber Cement (Elmer 120 ml $2.00)

D-Limonene (Grumbacher 74 ml $14.00)

Rubber Cemt Thinner (Best-Test 473 ml $15.00) 

I used 45% Rubber Cementt, 45% Rubber Cement, 10% D-Limonene.

I was told that using Zippo lighter fluid will make the glue unsticky.  It is only used to remove the glue that has been built up.

Yeah it is thick even with 25% zippo lighter fluid.  I put heaps on thinking it will dome and expand.  I kept putting heaps on and it wasn't doing much.  Now I have a mammoth glue build up on the rubber :D.  Hope that zippo fluid helaps me get rid of that mammoth glue excess but turps may be the one for glue removal *shrug* ?

If Zippo lighter fluid can help put spin which it did somewhat then if I get the Dlim which gives the speed I think that would be superb for me.  With the 25% zippo it did soften it up and give slightly better spin but the speed was not so much.  This is what I am thinking of:

tt12 I like your reco of 45% rubber cement, 45% thinners and 10% Dlim.  I think I will use zippo lighter fluid instead of thinners though.  Would that be ok?  tt12 you said that zippo lighter fluid gives it less stick but with 25% zippo added with the rubber cement the bond was pretty darn strong...

Leeroy, I am experiencing using 45% rubber cement; 45% rubber cement thinner and 10% D-Limenete. I am still trying out. By the way, the home-made glue is not cheap (unless you have mass production of it).

The lighter fluid I am using is Ronsonol. Friends in my club warned me that lighter fluid is harmful to the sponge. Is Zippo any different from Ronsonol ? (I don't know)

The home-made glue is OK. The Master Chack I have been using is almost 3 years old. Thus it may not be that effective. I find not much difference between the two. But I got satisfaction of making it myself.

If you find a better formula of components, let me know. I will try it out.

Leeroy,my friend in the club told me they sell lighter fluid using Zippo as brand name in the States. It is sold as Ronsonol in Canada. They r basically the same.

If Zippo is much better than the rubber cement thinner to produce speed, I will use Zippo instead. Rubber cement thinner is more expensive than Zippo as long as it doesn't harm the sponge extensively.

I think I can save the trouble buying speed glue from vendors. By the way, is this home-made glue legal and reasonably healthy?  

I don't think it's legal.  I want to use Dlim and I don't think that is legal but I don't care .  Might be not so good on the health so I'm glad i don't play too much. 

Wfwfitz I used 75/25 zippo and I have a mammoth glue build up on my 40H and 40S esn rubbers.  Can I just add zippo fluid straight out of the can and that would somehow reignite the glue and still give it a speed glue effect?

If so can I do that from time to time instead of using the 45/45/10 Dlim combo?  Or will I also need to splash a little Dlim as well?

Haggisv I was that excited with the glue effect my bat went flying and snapped the handle off .  My other bat is busted up abit at the handle the other week and that was fixable . 

Anyway also I wanted to ask if adding the Dlim would not only add spin but also better feeling.  Would it slow it down mixed in because without the Dlim (just the zippo) it was pretty darn fast.  I hardly had to hit it when compared to when I had it unglued... Felt very effortless but the spin factor I think I needed more because the speed was great.  Hope the Dlim helps *shrugs* ... (?)

Leeroy wrote:   Wfwfitz by using this glue the rubber will not last as long?  If so how much less of life are we looking at?  Anyone?  I plan on going the 45 rubber cement, 45 zippo and 10 Dlim.  Would I like more than half the rubber life?

I dont notice any loss of time but I have not used rubbers for a year like some people.  Usually after a couple of months i give them to the kids at my club who use them for some time after that.