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How to BH loop [against backspin] properly?? |
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theman 
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 Topic: How to BH loop [against backspin] properly??Posted: 08/01/2008 at 5:08am |
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guys, i feel terrible. ive been playing the pushing war too much on the bh side, scared to loop, because all the matches i played, in attempting to open up the bh loop, it seems to go in the net.
now arm speed shouldnt be the problem, but what is the PROPER, most CORRECT way so one may feel comfortable in executing it?> |
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Noobist
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Posted: 08/01/2008 at 5:21am |
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i would put my blade head down ( not totally) and almost 180 degree turn it back up using the wrist...
with a bit of lifting the ball up sometimes when long range...
but when the ball is short, i will put it at about 45 degree downward and do the same thing but this time, turn about 70 to 80 degree without lifting the ball.
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LachlanTan
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Posted: 08/01/2008 at 6:30am |
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BH loop off push is easier than the FH. I really don't know how to coach though.
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TT over Study
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Posted: 08/01/2008 at 6:58am |
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if ur scared to loop just get it on the table, then the second loop u can be fancy |
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Posted: 08/01/2008 at 7:00am |
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or just use footwork to loop FH
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TT_Freak
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Posted: 08/01/2008 at 8:05am |
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Your hand isn't moving fast enough. You're underestimating how fast your hand can move. Try to tear the ball in half. The only time all my shots goes in is when I'm swinging all out.
PS: That is unless your completely shanking it. |
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Posted: 08/01/2008 at 8:41am |
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theman
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Posted: 08/01/2008 at 9:08am |
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thanks guys, i think the explanation makes so much sense! appreciate the explanation nicefrog, ttfreak, noobist, tan and tt over study
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Posted: 09/23/2008 at 10:50am |
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It also depends on how u want to return the ball...
You have 2 options: 1) Open up ur BH a full 90 degrees. Then as you receive the ball SNAP your wrist up. Do not put too much of a forward motion or else the ball will go past the opponent's side of the table. This technique should bring the ball short...a bit past the net. 2) Close your BH to 45 degrees. Then loop the ball in a forward and up direction. This should bring the ball near the end of the opponent's side of the table. Number 2 may force your opponent back a few meters...So when he returns the ball all you have to do is to lightly push or block the ball. Steer the ball to a direction opposite of where your opponent is standing. |
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DeathAngel
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Posted: 09/23/2008 at 10:55am |
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also remember to always start your racket lower than the ball so you
lift it and brush it up forward and over. My coach told me just to do
my regular BH stroke but my racket head lower and move my arm faster it
seems to work perfectly.
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JKC
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Posted: 09/23/2008 at 4:05pm |
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I made this vid a while back, the first few and the first slo-mo are against chop.
It might be of some help?
(Any excuse to get some extra views of my vids)
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GorgeousGordy
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Posted: 09/23/2008 at 5:18pm |
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Why would you want to return the ball close to the net .........unless maybe you're playing someone vertically challenged but otherwise they will just counterloop/block/smash the ball past you with ease...
Please don't spew BS in the forum
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GorgeousGordy
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Posted: 09/23/2008 at 5:20pm |
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Also if you've been playing table tennis this long I would hope you would know how to do one of the most basic shots or else there is something seriously wrong!!!!
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JKC
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Posted: 09/23/2008 at 5:31pm |
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There are many different styles in TT, so some players could play quite happily for years without needing to use that shot. Surely it is commendable that someone is trying to learn a new shot and we should try to be helpful rather than critical because of that. |
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Posted: 09/23/2008 at 6:45pm |
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Thanks Juan King Carlo...Everyone is just trying to help one another... So theres no need to criticize people GorgeousGordy...
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Posted: 09/23/2008 at 6:56pm |
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Its not the technique so dont bother watching those vids. You scared because you dont thrust yourself. So do more practice, swing forward with more wrist movement. During the match, when its early in the set, try to be more aggresive. There is nothing to loose. just a point not a big deal right? Just relax...
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Posted: 09/23/2008 at 7:29pm |
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lolz Tsubasa should be a Zen master...hes right though...Take it easy...don't hesitate...line up your shot...wait for the ball to drop to a comfortable height but dont wait too long or you will miss XD
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Posted: 09/24/2008 at 1:35am |
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At first you may want to try a simple swing with very little wrist movement (with wrist action you can create great spin and power but timing must be right on). Pay attention to the starting and ending point, the middle part should take care of itself. Slightly turn your shoulder, drop the racket lower than the ball, then swing up and forward. If the ball goes into the net, you can swing faster, or end higher or both.
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Posted: 09/24/2008 at 2:25am |
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here is another kreanega video explaining technique BH Topspin technique:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ywG5kmOCfWE&feature=related Backhand Topsping against push : Ma Lin : http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=xFJUWfHGsQQ&feature=related Backhand Topsping : Timo Boll : http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=0xzF6J-JvOg&feature=related Backhand Topsping against push : K Kreanega : http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=iJB3sM5xpGo&feature=related |
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Posted: 09/24/2008 at 5:59am |
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Just swing fast low to high. You'll get the hang of it in a few months.
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Posted: 09/24/2008 at 7:02pm |
I would try Timo's stroke first, little wrist movement, simple low-to-high swing, plus some leg push. It's not easy to perform a complicated stroke like Kreanega's especially hitting close to the table against a push, when you may not have enough time to line up your stroke. |
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Posted: 09/24/2008 at 11:39pm |
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i will post a video later tonite showing my bh loop against push/heavy backspin if need be.
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Posted: 09/25/2008 at 12:06am |
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Arm speed is very key but also timing. Let the ball come off the table to you so some of the spin dies, it will make it easier to loop the ball. Also, have a relaxed wrist, if you are tense, it's not going to work. Bend your knees, drop your wrist and arm down, and accelerate through the shot. Let your elbow lead you in the shot and also be your guide into the shot. Make sure you really put your legs into it, it will make it much easier to lift the ball.
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Posted: 11/25/2008 at 4:21am |
Mr. Samurai X is right. I saw Waldner doing the option no 1 a lot of times. |
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Posted: 11/25/2008 at 4:39am |
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I have the same problem with the FH loop but i can loop fine with my backhand
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Posted: 11/25/2008 at 8:52pm |
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My forehand is better but lately my backhand is improving. Try not swinging your arm too fast. That wont be the problem. Try looping with the right action then speed your motion up. Hope it helps.
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Posted: 11/26/2008 at 4:30pm |
You should post video either way, we'd love to see your progress!!! (or lack their of)
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