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    Posted: 11/11/2019 at 5:37pm
Anyone familiar with the name of that stroke used in the 2nd attack
from the player with red t-shirt?! He is using it often, probably well trained stroke
I missed in my preparation back in time...
Never seen it before! Big smile




Edited by kolevtt - 11/11/2019 at 5:42pm
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I don't think you'll find a name for that stroke.  He may be the only one that uses it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Charlie Brown Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/11/2019 at 8:17pm
just taking it early and hitting flat - fast push block? you see a lot of that but mostly off the backhand

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When he serves with Fh he twiddle to use the red side.  Does that mean the black side is long or medium pips.  That would explain a lot of why that stroke works so well.

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I don´t know the name, but I can say this: ugly as hell.
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Some people use a side motion of the fh to receive serves and contact more on the side, where the spin is less aggressive or more controllable. See NextLevel in his match v. Heavyspin there for example; There too.
In the OP's video I believe it's an extreme way to to that, a hit contacting on the side of the ball giving a bit of side spin and enhancing the direction away from the table. A side effect but major feature is the surprise because he can go either way and reveal his intentions and break his wrist (more) very late, right before contact.
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it is called ugly technique
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Isn't that just a FH fade counter? Timo uses that very often too...
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Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

When he serves with Fh he twiddle to use the red side.  Does that mean the black side is long or medium pips.  That would explain a lot of why that stroke works so well.

Mark
I think Jack said (in the Italy thread) that it's pips.  I asked but never found out what kind of pips.  I don't think it can be regular long pips because of the way he plays aggressively with it, but maybe a grippy long pip or perhaps medium pips.
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I use the "shove drive" all the time when I can't get my feet in position as seen here
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Isn't that just a FH fade counter? Timo uses that very often too...

Yes, that is all it is.  You use the arm and the incoming pace/spin and produce something.  Nothing special, it just requires a commitment that may impact other parts of your game if you are taking every ball off the bounce with it as it is too hard to sustain that with the power in the modern men's game.  Many people who don't really counterloop or back off the table use it a lot.

In the case above, it is probably a hitting pips stroke.  That is why he feels consistent using it.


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Sometimes he is kind of going "inside out" with the stroke. I used to play against someone -- decades ago -- with a stroke and grip like that, in fact, this was when I first started playing seriously There are some aspects of the way this guy plays that remind me a bit of Eric Bogan (much lower level of course). Even though the grip is not the same, it functions similarly.
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The guy has short pips ... i cant think of another reason why his shots land..

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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Sometimes he is kind of going "inside out" with the stroke. I used to play against someone -- decades ago -- with a stroke and grip like that, in fact, this was when I first started playing seriously There are some aspects of the way this guy plays that remind me a bit of Eric Bogan (much lower level of course). Even though the grip is not the same, it functions similarly.

Yeah, I just thought it was a weird formed inside out like a windshield wiper
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Its a forehand variation of a punch block imo. Its ugly, so it means I have done it, albeit with very, very little success.
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Just some unorthodox style, that's it. Use more spin to deal with this type of play. 
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Its called the papa roach. 
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Originally posted by vik2000 vik2000 wrote:

Just some unorthodox style, that's it. Use more spin to deal with this type of play. 


IMO, if you can make sure your ball lands deep, no such odd style survives.
(for some, this may be easier than adding spin, which can also come back to you!).
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Originally posted by pitigoi pitigoi wrote:

Originally posted by vik2000 vik2000 wrote:

Just some unorthodox style, that's it. Use more spin to deal with this type of play. 


IMO, if you can make sure your ball lands deep, no such odd style survives.
(for some, this may be easier than adding spin, which can also come back to you!).

That guy is pretty good at pushing fast ball back with good placements. 

I feel slower and very spinny ball will give him some trouble as he doesn't seem to have the technique to deal with that sort of ball.
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