inside out pendulum

Does anyone do the inside out pendulum serve with a normal grip (fingers still wrapped around the blade), including pros? I know most due it removing the fingers to hold the paddle like Boll or Maze but I have trouble getting underspin when I do this.

You can find a lot of chinese players doing that serve with the normal grip. Example would be Ma Long. There are others too.

OKay so you want to learn the reverse pendulum ? I know the pros is like 10 thousand times better than I am but I can make a video and show you how to do it, I can give you some instructions also. It's not that hard actually if you practice a lot. I know what's happening with the I can't get underspin with your reverse pendulum serve. The thing is you have to contact under the ball, keep your elbow pointing downwards. I can even show you through webcam if you need that much help ;)

BMonkey wrote: Reinecke wrote: Does anyone do the inside out pendulum serve with a normal grip (fingers still wrapped around the blade), including pros? I know most due it removing the fingers to hold the paddle like Boll or Maze but I have trouble getting underspin when I do this. If you are looking for more spin (counter clockwise side/under) then you'd probably be better off doing a side under backhand serve. The reverse pendulum is nice for playing side-under/side-dead/side-top games with people but it doesn't generate as much underspin as some other serve styles (pendulum,backhand).

Man, I don't know if you can do that serve or not but I can guanrantee you reverse pendulum might create same spin like side under backhand serve but it aint the same. You don't have to stand in the middle, you can still stand in the corner so its much more easier to setup a 3rd ball attack with your FH. And btw, when you serve reverse, you are not aiming for too much backspin, it is the effect of the reverse spin which is what you need to setup your attack.

what's your current setup rein? from the vids i saw, it looks like you're still contacting behind the ball too much, this might be the reason why you're not getting much action on the ball...

TBS9x wrote: BMonkey wrote: Reinecke wrote: Does anyone do the inside out pendulum serve with a normal grip (fingers still wrapped around the blade), including pros? I know most due it removing the fingers to hold the paddle like Boll or Maze but I have trouble getting underspin when I do this. If you are looking for more spin (counter clockwise side/under) then you'd probably be better off doing a side under backhand serve. The reverse pendulum is nice for playing side-under/side-dead/side-top games with people but it doesn't generate as much underspin as some other serve styles (pendulum,backhand). Man, I don't know if you can do that serve or not but I can guanrantee you reverse pendulum might create same spin like side under backhand serve but it aint the same. You don't have to stand in the middle, you can still stand in the corner so its much more easier to setup a 3rd ball attack with your FH. And btw, when you serve reverse, you are not aiming for too much backspin, it is the effect of the reverse spin which is what you need to setup your attack.

Of course I can do both serves, serving is the strongest point of my game  I am working on mastering BH serves though for tight situations (like my serve, 10 serving 9, 3 games each). You don't have to stand in the middle for BH serves either. In fact, if you don't stand in the middle, it would probably be more unusual/confusing for your opponent and win you the point assuming you pulled out a very vicious serve he hadn't seen at all during the match. You have to factor in where your opponent is weaker and how he will return too. Also, Reinecke is right handed and a reverse pendulum serve will curve out into an opponent's forehand (assuming opponent is right handed and standing crosscourt from him; serve will be travelling more straight at opponent then curve into his forehand). It'd work better with leftys where it'd curve from their forehand into their body. That being said, assuming you're doing a serve that trajectory-wise is going to be advantageous to your opponent, you should do your best to keep it as low and spinny as possible, thus a BH version would have more side-under spin and could be kept just as low. (side note: I can generate way more side-top spin with reverse pendulum than I can with BH).

I can help with that long serve mildseven. transfer your weight right to left (if right handed), rotate your body, and make your blade face more perpendicular to the table. hit with topspin and have the first bounce be close to your endline.

not very practical but i don't see why someone can't do it....i can't though =(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD02s8uTSzw

chu_bun wrote: Can anybody do a reverse back spin with enough spin to take the ball back to the net (a la Malin's ghost server)?

Reinecke wrote: Thanks guys great advice, and TBS9x a video would be great! I feel like I am very close to getting this serve down, I will upload a video of it as soon as I get back to school. Tuan my setup is going to be Sriver EL on FH and Sriver FX on BH for probably the next 8 months at least, I think using a one ply WRC blade from american hinoki.

I made the video and I'm editing it ( might take a while ) but are you sure you need it? Since you said you have problem making underspin ( am I right? ) then I made the video clip focus on that but I use boll's, maze's grip. If you only need Schlager's style then I won't upload it then cuz it's kinda hard to perform right

i recommend switching

Okay, so boll's grip is fine ? I haven't seen pros make any reverse ghost serve yet :D Even Schlager didn't do that. But anyway, I don't know how much backspin can I generate with my serve but the serve usually goes low and many times I've seen opponent pushing into the net and their faces look like this =( :)) ( Editing in progress....)

2 bounces and everything! this is nice.

yea...that dungeon looks like you can hold a few dead bodies in there....