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DAY 2: Tulpe 007 Pro Blue Sponge (38D?) Impressions

2 Hours, matchplay vs Normal opponents - still UNBOOSTED

1) Speed of the rubber sheet has picked up.
a) it was easier to topspin outright winners.
b) the ball sometimes went long if I had lazy footwork and did not topspin.

2) It is still very good for inside of the table forehand attacking 
a) FH flick or loop off bounce to create short safe arc that clears net
b) sometimes the arc was so short that i was unintentionally attacking mid table.

3) Looping is starting to feel more sponge.
a) the rubber topsheet feels connected to the sponge, but you can definitely tell when the sponge speed engages
b) it was not quite as easy to do topsheet only brush

4) Spin is still VERY good. Moreso than STN, perhaps more than K1 Hybrid Euro. 
a) opponents were surprised by the side to side movement on some of my loops
b) i was surprised by how much my topspin would bring the ball down earlier than I expected

5) It is still slower on flat hitting than a Euro or Japanese rubber, but felt reliable with closed face topspin.


Day 3 will be tomorrow, I think.
Looking forward to it. 


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It is still best boosted. The 38 degree version is at keast at the level of s3 speed and softness when boosted 3 layers of falco. 
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DAY 3: Tulpe 007 Pro Blue Sponge (38D?) Impressions

2 Hours, forehand drilling including loop and block - still unboosted

1) Here comes the noise
a) big chinese crack sound showed up
b) rubber plays more like a Spinnier Sanwei Target National
2) Throw is getting a little longer, deeper arc
a) Speed of the rubber sheet has continued to pick up.
b) Spin is still very, very good

3) In spite of my fears about marrying an elastic sponge to a tacky topsheet, there is still some very linear output from the rubber

During drilling, I noticed that I that blade face adjustments (angle) provided very direct changes the to spin and depth of my shots. Closing the face made my shots land shorter, and spinnier - opening the face was deeper and faster. When I say direct, I mean that the changes in arc felt very linear and predictable; I could use the same stroke, while just varying the contact point, to deceive opponent better.
Yogi is probably right about boosting the rubber. But he is a much higher level player! 

And I wanted to give some perspective for someone at the other end of the spectrum.


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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

It is still best boosted. The 38 degree version is at keast at the level of s3 speed and softness when boosted 3 layers of falco. 

Acuda S3 original?
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Is this rubber available to buy anywhere as of now? I'm quite curious to give it a try. 
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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

It is still best boosted. The 38 degree version is at keast at the level of s3 speed and softness when boosted 3 layers of falco. 

Acuda S3 original?

Yup acuda s3
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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

DAY 3: Tulpe 007 Pro Blue Sponge (38D?) Impressions

2 Hours, forehand drilling including loop and block - still unboosted

1) Here comes the noise
a) big chinese crack sound showed up
b) rubber plays more like a Spinnier Sanwei Target National
2) Throw is getting a little longer, deeper arc
a) Speed of the rubber sheet has continued to pick up.
b) Spin is still very, very good

3) In spite of my fears about marrying an elastic sponge to a tacky topsheet, there is still some very linear output from the rubber

During drilling, I noticed that I that blade face adjustments (angle) provided very direct changes the to spin and depth of my shots. Closing the face made my shots land shorter, and spinnier - opening the face was deeper and faster. When I say direct, I mean that the changes in arc felt very linear and predictable; I could use the same stroke, while just varying the contact point, to deceive opponent better.
Yogi is probably right about boosting the rubber. But he is a much higher level player! 

And I wanted to give some perspective for someone at the other end of the spectrum.

I consider myself as above average only and have learned the correct textbook strokes. 
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Originally posted by Static Static wrote:

Is this rubber available to buy anywhere as of now? I'm quite curious to give it a try. 

Contact achoomai the forum member here. 
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No 38 degree available.
Only red 40 degree available for now.
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:


Contact achoomai the forum member here. 

Just did, cheers.
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Hello folks, has any of you experienced losing some tack on your Kokutaku 007 Pro.Selected rubber over some, rather short, time?
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From my experience , topsheet of this rubber is quite durable which is almost 5 month now. The tackiness is not like new but still grip the ball well. Below is my method to taking care the rubber

Normally , cleaning with clean water to remove the dust is good enough and always use plastic film to cover the topsheet after play. This is to avoid oxidation on topsheet. Special care like foam or other chemical can be used only 1-2 times a week should be sufficient. 

The most important is always using plastic cover sheet after playing and not overclean the topsheet.


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Thanks for the response; yes, the rubber obviously gets softer over time, and the tackiness needs to be preserved by a good rubber care.
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39 degree is now available on Amazon. Sponge color is same as 38.
Weight is quite close to 40 degree version but a bit easier to play with.

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Hi
What's the différence with KOKUTAKU β (beta) or alpha on aliexpress ?
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Pro. Selected are more tacky and harder sponge so it is more powerful.
Openly, Alfa and Beta are parts of the rubbers those my team (beginners - pro players) tested and analyzed to choose optimum topsheet / rubber combination.
Moreover, I asked the manufacturer to tighten their QC for my order (and manufacturer complain it is too tight versus their regular procedure) but I want to ensure my customer get lesser flaw product versus their regular products.


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Megaspin. Net has the 007 39 degrees now. 
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For the one available on Megaspin , every single sheet was inspected one by one before shipment to ensure no flaw especially on topsheet. 
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I have 2 pieces of Kokotaku Alpha with blue sponge and the seem to be exactly the same as the Pro version.
Anyone knows more about this?
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I am wondering if 38 deg K.Pro is available by now
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Originally posted by Braincooler Braincooler wrote:

I have 2 pieces of Kokotaku Alpha with blue sponge and the seem to be exactly the same as the Pro version.
Anyone knows more about this?
I have alfa on hand, sponge is not as porous as 007 pro , easier to control but less power. Topsheet is also less tacky. If you buy both and test together , you can feel the different.
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Originally posted by darkmoor darkmoor wrote:

I am wondering if 38 deg K.Pro is available by now
Should be sometime around mid of April. Rubbers are just shipped out from factory after long shut down.
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Excellent news. Any chance they consider producing an even softer sponge version?
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the 38 degree version is like a very spinny acuda s3 or s2. You can use it botb as a fh and bh rubber. Bettter if boosted. 
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Originally posted by darkmoor darkmoor wrote:

Excellent news. Any chance they consider producing an even softer sponge version?
Already made it for testing. For the combination of this tacky topsheet, it is not as effective as the 38 degree. So, I did not plan to make it for sale.
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why is it hard for me to get this rubber?
is it still in production?
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Yes , I have 38 degree version.
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It will be shipped from Thailand.
You can order on Ebay.
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