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    Posted: 07/15/2013 at 1:37pm
I understand she uses Armstrong 8 medium pips rubber, hard sponge.  Do you know what thickness? Where can one buy it?
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iruiru.com. We've talked about this before on another thread. I would bet she uses somewhere around 1.5 mm.
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I am thinking she uses thicker than 1.5 mm--but iruiru measures the total thickness, rather than sponge alone. However, others do report her using 1.5 mm. Is her blade a fast one, do you know?
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Thanks.  That pips rubber's sponge looks thicker than 1.5 mm--what do you think? I assume the red sponge is maximum thickness (such as 2.2 mm).
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Originally posted by speedspin speedspin wrote:

Thanks.  That pips rubber's sponge looks thicker than 1.5 mm--what do you think? I assume the red sponge is maximum thickness (such as 2.2 mm).
 
Many women don't play with Max Thickness (and many men don't either).
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by speedspin speedspin wrote:

Thanks.  That pips rubber's sponge looks thicker than 1.5 mm--what do you think? I assume the red sponge is maximum thickness (such as 2.2 mm).
 
Many women don't play with Max Thickness (and many men don't either).

in particular defenders often play with a non max inverted on the forehand.

It would be foolish to just assume she uses max on FH
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The fh looks to be about 1.9, she probably uses 1.9/1.7

Edited by bluebucket - 07/15/2013 at 9:42pm
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FH looks like 2.1 to me, BH looks like 1.9
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If you find out the thickness of that blade, you can calculate the thickness of the sponge.
I must say i am surprised at how thick the backhand sponge is(at least 1.7), because that armstrong attack 8 is very fast and difficult to control. Is that sponge pink or grey? The pink one is the fastest and hardest.
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Originally posted by pingpongpaddy pingpongpaddy wrote:

If you find out the thickness of that blade, you can calculate the thickness of the sponge.
I must say i am surprised at how thick the backhand sponge is(at least 1.7), because that armstrong attack 8 is very fast and difficult to control. Is that sponge pink or grey? The pink one is the fastest and hardest.

Looks pink to me.
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the sponge of the backhand rubber is white....
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It's lavender. Smile It isn't white. Smile
And it's the "Super I" version.
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which SUPER I  version ,   43 ,41  40 ?
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It is a lilac sponge and I have read that it is the super-I version but the hardness??
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Sorry, I don't know.
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Originally posted by jabemu jabemu wrote:

It is a lilac sponge and I have read that it is the super-I version but the hardness??

53
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43
41
40
are degrees of hardness i think.
anything over 38 is quite hard and fast
I think 40 is the ordinary sponge, still harder than average.
The rubber itself is quite flexible and springy.
The L pimple is wider than the M pimple and gives a bit more spin.
The M gives more m-pips effect.
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This is a fantastic discussion--thanks to you all.  Mitsunori Takizawa of Iruiru said she uses 53 degrees now (hardest one), but used the 43 version before.  I still don't know the exact thickness she uses.  However, my guess is that it is 1.8 mm, or thereabouts.  Does anyone out there use Armstrong 8 medium pips, super-I version? I wonder how it compares with 563 or 563-1, 1.8 mm--any thoughts? I am using 563 and 563-1, but the sponge is 35 degrees.  My feeling is that 1.8 mm is easier to control than 1.5 mm (but less funny).  Also, 1.8 mm soft sponge likely is less weird (funny) than harder sponge--your thoughts?
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I am also curious to know whether Armstrong 8M medium pips lasts more than a month before pips break.  563 and 563-1 lasts me 1-2 weeks of 5 days/week play.  Do any of you know of a medium pips rubber that lasts a relatively long time, but still gives the weird, funny ball effect? I'd like to use 1.8 mm, or possibly 1.5 mm.
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Originally posted by speedspin speedspin wrote:

Do any of you know of a medium pips rubber that lasts a relatively long time, but still gives the weird, funny ball effect? I'd like to use 1.8 mm, or possibly 1.5 mm.
Try Giant Dragon 612 Turbo 1.8mm.  It is simply listed as pips out. GD 612T behaves more like long pips than short pips because of its spin reversal.  One can hit floaters by trying to slow down or stop the incoming spin. 563's behavior is mild compared to GD 612T.

You will have to be a little conservative with your strokes at first because GD 612T is a little too fast for my liking but it I put the GD 612 T on a OFF- blade.
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Originally posted by speedspin speedspin wrote:

I am also curious to know whether Armstrong 8M medium pips lasts more than a month before pips break.  563 and 563-1 lasts me 1-2 weeks of 5 days/week play.  Do any of you know of a medium pips rubber that lasts a relatively long time, but still gives the weird, funny ball effect? I'd like to use 1.8 mm, or possibly 1.5 mm.

I'm using Palio WP1013 and Dawei 388C-1 on 1.8 sponge.  They both last longer than 563/563-1, no broken pips.


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One of the advantages of the Armstrong attack 8 and 3 is their durability comparing with the rest of medium pips, it is very difficult to break down them
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Does that mean that Armstrong attack 8 medium (which Fukuhara is using) lasts a long time?
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Armstrong pips's quality is very high. I used attack-3 (offensive spin-style) some months and the pips are like new. I have broken down many of others sp (pistol, leopard,...) and attack-3 are medium, they should be broken earlier.
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The secret is partly in the shape of the pips.
Attack 8 is Cylinder+Trapezoid, like sp should be,   
which means that the base of the pip is wider and stronger so that the pip is almost unbreakable. The m-pips effect comes from the flexible, springy quality of the rubber.
Typical long and medium pips have Cylinder shape only which makes them weak at the base and therefore break easily.
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Your description (pingpongpaddy) is excellent.  The question is what total thickness of rubber + sponge Ai Fukuhara uses for Armstrong Attack 8M rubber? Armstrong from iruiru is graded as total thickness only, either hard sponge (53 deg) or softer sponge - 45 deg?)
And what is the thickness of sponge on the medium pips side? (1.8 mm? 1.5 mm?)
 
Finally, is she using Butterfly (Spinarc?) or using Hurricane III on the FH?
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