"Palatinus - Esperanto" ?

 I wish much happiness, and lot of fun.

Edited by Palatinus - 10/26/2010 at 2:20pm

In short:

We had an idea for you all but mainly those who would like to join our mutual racket building seriously. As our respect to artificial language 'Esperanto' that is established by using many languages to make a mutual language we would build a blade together that will called Esperanto.

We make only one piece of that kind and we will never sell it but we will send around for testing. It will be a symbol our common work.

We need at least these details:

- head shape

- speed

- lamina weight (cut)

- thickness

- veneers

- glue

- glueing process (pressure, time, temperature, viscosity)

- handle shape

- handle weight

- handle veneers

- handle installing glue

- handle laminating glue + process (pressure, time, temperature, viscosity)

Head :compact

Head :compact, 150 W X 158 H

Edited by tiehwen - 10/27/2010 at 2:26pm

jcdi wrote: ... If M.Palatinus was producing this blade, I would buy it at once.

Well go ahead Palatinus you seem to have some customorders allready...just kidding.
Off course it,s not going to work if everyone mentions a personal favorite layering. We get a collection of designs then as many as there are blades for different players now. 

As background information...
There is a discussion on the Osp-thread where Palatinus his idea came from. People seemed to speak different languages there allthough it was all - almost - perfect english.
When Palatinus made a reference to esperanto and came up with the idea of an esperanto it was in relation with that discussion.

.....you speak words, I speak different language, with my hands.....that,s about what Palatinus threw up. Let a blade do the talking. But considering this background I would think it is logic to keep this discussion also somewhat as a background and as it was mostly about looping in the higher gears that should also comeback in the blade I think.

So for instance let,s imagine Wang liqin - as a powerlooper - comes to us with a complaint about his blades. He has a Hurricane King 655 neo and uses a carbon now. He can,t use the Hurricane King neo anymore but he misses the all wooden feel.
What can we - and Palatinus - do to help him ........ Then we would have a somewhat set goal and two more or less well known blades as a reference. We can keep our personal preferences aside a bit then if only because the goal is set above our playlevel ...... except in our dreams and fantasy maybe.
In this line and the woods Palatinus uses mostly I could think of a few possibilities.

Seven plies the stability is better and the throw can be kept lower and more controlled on high impact looping even with somewhat flex that can support the katapult of the rubber. The added plies sort a compensates for carbon also. Besides spirit is also seven plies total...or even nine..carbon and arylate. So maybe we need seven plies ?
For seven plies as an answer for the glue ban stiga came up with Ebenholz VII. Compared with clipper they also changed the second layer from the core from abachi to Ebenholz. 
That type of build can also be done with Walnut instead of Ebenholz and could be an option.

But different layering is possible like a three ply abachi core, spruce (or spruce type, about similar weight and hardness as Abachi) for second layer and walnut outerply maybe ? A seven ply version of Hurricane King (and walnut instead of Koto)...

Another direction could be we try to make a allround 5-ply attackers blade in the off class. Allround and classic in the sense that such a blade with adaption of rubber would be usable  for many different players levelwise and playstyle.

With the woods Palatinus seems to use most (I doubt he has Hinoki, kiri or Planchanello available but who knows ?) that could be abachi core but a walnut core could also be interesting.
The core has to be thinner then offcourse because of weight issues. The second plies of abachi can be thicker then which gives a softer touch even with aharder outerlayer as walnut.  If the gluing between outerlayer and second ply is strong/firm but thin and flexible there will be a good surface spring and the throw is not too high depending on total thickness also. In the higher gears the centerply would have to support the kick and hardness.

Or maybe a more classic 5-ply abachi core blade, with two outerplies dependant what we want to achieve ? Bit more "boring" maybe as there are so many blades with such a build allready but also less risky.

Off course there are more options, but it depends on the woods available......
More precise details as veneer thickness or gluing process we can do later on offcourse. We will need Palatinus imput then also.



Edited by tompy - 10/27/2010 at 4:54am

Head :160 x 152 mm

This is going to be an interesting experiment...

I am no expert in blade making, but I would be more than happy to try the Esperanto when it will be made. I agree with tompy that it should be a 7ply blade and IMO it should be in the OFF category.

Liquid Sky wrote: Since the second problem is due to the speed glue ban very up to date, we should try to solve it. So I suggest, like Tompy said, to try to build a blade that has the stability and power of a carbon blade like Boll Spirit but combines these features with a all wooden feel.

PLLsystem wrote: Liquid Sky wrote: Since the second problem is due to the speed glue ban very up to date, we should try to solve it. So I suggest, like Tompy said, to try to build a blade that has the stability and power of a carbon blade like Boll Spirit but combines these features with a all wooden feel. I agree. Most of the orders coming into our custommade section are in that matter for about 2-3 years.

I can't see the logic why such a universal blade should be 7 plies ? 7 ply blades are rather exclusive, pretty good for hitting, blocking and drive looping. But 5 ply blades can, imho, satisfy a much larger range of players from all to off.

For now I think the waiting is for PLL to inform us about the woods available to work with.
Otherwise we would only waste time going into exotic builds without even knowing if mr Palatinus has these woods available.
I hope there are not too much different types, I hate it when I buy an ice-cream and there are too many choices...I mostly pick vanilla then.


Edited by tompy - 10/28/2010 at 4:45am

Thanks. You don,t have to give all the details at once. Only the woodtypes would be enough to get the imagination going for now.

I,m missing the vanilla(wood) option :-)....but thank you for the listing.

Is it ? I didn,t know that. A seven or five ply vanilla blade how would that be  then...it should be a good looping blade :-).
Actually I remember I really have made that once as a seven ply. It was the only veneer I had left besides Koto and I intended it for being used with long pips otherwise it would be too heavy.
Wasn't even that bad to play with.


Edited by tompy - 10/28/2010 at 5:01pm