Sriver EL vs. Mark V
Printed From: Alex Table Tennis - MyTableTennis.NET
Category: Equipment
Forum Name: Equipment
Forum Description: Share your experience and discussions about table tennis equipments.
Moderator: haggisv
Assistant Moderators: position available
URL: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15443
Printed Date: 04/29/2024 at 12:01am
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Sriver EL vs. Mark V
Posted By: doraemon
Subject: Sriver EL vs. Mark V
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 4:26am
|
Just curious, since most players at one time or another praise these two classic rubbers a lot. Which one is:
(a) faster?
(b) spinnier?
(c) easier to control?
(d) longer lasting?
Let's talk both unglued with Sriver EL 2.1 vs. Mark V 2.0.
Thanks.
|
Replies:
Posted By: asr1990
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 4:49am
|
both are very long lasting
I would say Sriver EL to be a bit faster when glued, but MV faster unglued, both are very easy to control, maybe EL a bit easier to control
both are grippy and about the same in terms of spin ------------- mizutani jun tenergy bryce speed fx Will be trying Zeta soon |
Posted By: gene
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 5:05am
|
i also like mv better when unglued.
i just can't use the EL without glued. el without glue= avage rubber
el with glue= outstanding rubber.
|
Posted By: Boss1703
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 7:14am
|
the test should be sriver L - mark V... 2 big classics for ages... ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pierrefiassemapageping updated 20.11.10 http://bosscollection.skyrock.com http://tennisdetablecomtests.skyrock.com |
Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 8:57am
| How about sriver el vs mark v ad? Unglued/glued. |
Posted By: doraemon
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 10:16am
| Thanks for the replies. I know that Mark V should be compared to Sriver L, which both are classic, but I think most people prefer EL now. |
Posted By: thunderspin
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 11:20am
|
srover el better thn mark v ------------- blade:stiga op carbo fh:TG SKYLINE-3 bh: BRYCE FX |
Posted By: asr1990
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 11:43am
|
only if you glue though thunderspin ------------- mizutani jun tenergy bryce speed fx Will be trying Zeta soon |
Posted By: bull_harrier
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 12:35pm
|
I agree with the idea that EL is better when it's glued. I think Mark V is a more versatile rubber though. It's great to generate massive amounts of topspin, even without glue. Sriver EL goes much better on the BH though. MV FH and EL BH is a great weapon. ------------- Clipper CR WRB FH: Boost TP BH: Boost TP http://www.youtube.com/user/bullharrier - My Biology/Physiology Learning Channel on Youtube |
Posted By: asr1990
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 1:10pm
|
i agree with BH
asr1990 ------------- mizutani jun tenergy bryce speed fx Will be trying Zeta soon |
Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 3:11pm
| which one has a softer sponge? MV or EL? |
Posted By: asr1990
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 3:20pm
|
EL ------------- mizutani jun tenergy bryce speed fx Will be trying Zeta soon |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 4:42pm
|
How about all these new types of Mark V - any of them better on BH than regular Mark V, perhaps?
------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Kennie
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 8:51pm
The classic Mark V is the best unglued, it has the perfect mix of speed,control and spin..but glued i think GPS is better for backhand..it�s softer and its easier to backhandtopspin. with the new booster Mark V PowerCharge GPS is excellent for bh, it has even more speed and spin than speedglue. ------------- Blade: YASAKA Ma Lin Soft Carbon Fh: YASAKA PRYDE Bh: YASAKA Xtend HS |
JimT wrote:Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 10:06pm
|
Yea.. perhaps I should try Mark V on my BH... I am not sure about the thickness though - my 'thickness" dilemma ("thin" probably means less spin for my loops, "thick" means less power for hit-thru smash) is still bothering me.
------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Kennie
Date Posted: 12/30/2007 at 11:05pm
|
mark v is absolutely best in 2,0..promise you ------------- Blade: YASAKA Ma Lin Soft Carbon Fh: YASAKA PRYDE Bh: YASAKA Xtend HS |
Posted By: yuna
Date Posted: 12/31/2007 at 4:53am
|
i've own these rubbers before but i dun speedglue. comparing Sriver L vs Mark V, i prefer Sriver L. it has more power & is more grippy (esp black) Mark V topsheet is a tiny bit oily & thus dun grip the ball as well as sriver. i tried cleaning it off but it'll come back again cos its the property of the rubber. and regarding the total power u'll get, it will depends on the blade matchup. some blade enhence the power of the rubber cos both of their resonent frequency is more in-sync wz each other. it'll cost quite a bit finding the right match but when u do u'll love ur equipment even more.  ------------- Viscaria Tiffany T-05 T-64 |
Posted By: BACKHAND
Date Posted: 12/31/2007 at 6:40am
|
I use Mark V 30� and Sriver EL.
Before with glue, now with CTE.
I prefer Mark V 30� on the forhand.
Mark V 30� has a softer sponge and is slightly faster with about the same spin as Sriver EL.
The EL on the backhand gives you slightly more control probably due to the sponge being a little harder.
Sriver L has even more control.
I have been using various forms of these 2 rubbers for 40 years and still can't find anything better. ------------- STIGA CARBON Tibhar Nimbus Sound 2.0mm FH Butterfly Tenergy 64 2.1mm BH http://www.mkttl.co.uk/ |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/31/2007 at 10:24am
Thanks, Backhand! I am myself leaning to the same combo - at least I will be trying it soon. What are the thicknesses of your rubbers? ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: BACKHAND
Date Posted: 12/31/2007 at 10:39am
|
Mark V 30� 2.0mm
Sriver EL 2.1mm ------------- STIGA CARBON Tibhar Nimbus Sound 2.0mm FH Butterfly Tenergy 64 2.1mm BH http://www.mkttl.co.uk/ |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/31/2007 at 10:42am
|
Oh sorry, i wasn't observant enough - it's in your signature...
------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: BACKHAND
Date Posted: 12/31/2007 at 10:53am
|
If you go for that set up, we will be playing with exactly the same.
Galaxy T-4(varnished 3 times)
Mark V 30� 2.0m Sriver EL 2.1m Tibhar CTE (6 layers) I would recommend the CTE.
I am still very happy with this setup. I have started on the CTE since begining of Dec on the T-4.
It just feels so go.
I played a Veterans Tournament yesterday with it. Its so nice not to have to speed glue all day. Saves so much time. ------------- STIGA CARBON Tibhar Nimbus Sound 2.0mm FH Butterfly Tenergy 64 2.1mm BH http://www.mkttl.co.uk/ |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/31/2007 at 12:25pm
I used CTE with almost all of my rubbers by now - it really is a nice alternative to speed-gluing. And I also hate to glue all the time - that's just not how the game should be played... I don't mind other people doing that, it's just that I am more of the old school proponent - you can spend pounds of speed-glue but all that time you could be working on your technique or footwork instead... which is WAY more important. I have tried Sriver FX on my T-4 but I wasn't too happy about hit-thru smashes... I'll try EL and will give it and myself more time to adjust ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: asr1990
Date Posted: 12/31/2007 at 12:30pm
|
how many layers of CTE did you use on your Provincials JimT?
asr1990 ------------- mizutani jun tenergy bryce speed fx Will be trying Zeta soon |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/31/2007 at 12:31pm
Five. Every next time, probably two. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: asr1990
Date Posted: 12/31/2007 at 12:35pm
|
only 5
was it fast enough?
I use to use 3/4 layers of glue
i think i would need more than 5 layers if CTE
 asr1990 ------------- mizutani jun tenergy bryce speed fx Will be trying Zeta soon |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/31/2007 at 12:46pm
Then go with 8, I guess ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: BACKHAND
Date Posted: 12/31/2007 at 12:51pm
|
I used to use 3 layers of speed glue. For a 3-4 hour playing period.
With the CTE I put 6 layers on the first time and it wasn't as fast.
Last week I put on another 3 layers and it was faster than my original 3 layers of speed glue. I also hope this will last for at least 3 weeks.
I have speed glued for a least 20 years and believe this CTE stuff is better.
I'm sure manufactureres have known about this kind of product for a long time. But wanted to sell speed glue instead, as it ruins the rubbers quicker. ------------- STIGA CARBON Tibhar Nimbus Sound 2.0mm FH Butterfly Tenergy 64 2.1mm BH http://www.mkttl.co.uk/ |
Posted By: asr1990
Date Posted: 12/31/2007 at 12:51pm
|
yeh, i think i will
i will be using H3 Pro as well
asr1990 ------------- mizutani jun tenergy bryce speed fx Will be trying Zeta soon |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/31/2007 at 2:25pm
There just might be smth to your "paranoid" conspiracy idea. In any case, CTE works pretty good but I haven't yet put the extra layers for the second gluing... that's coming in a couple of weeks. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: BACKHAND
Date Posted: 01/01/2008 at 5:04am
|
Getting the small amount of old glue of the sponge is the only hassle. Its a bit messy. I used some of my EE11 which I wasn't going to use anymore. Leave it on for a few minutes then roll the glue off. It might take a few goes to get rid of all the glue. I also used a bit of kitchen towel as well.
At least that way I can use up the remainder of my EE11. ------------- STIGA CARBON Tibhar Nimbus Sound 2.0mm FH Butterfly Tenergy 64 2.1mm BH http://www.mkttl.co.uk/ |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 01/01/2008 at 10:27am
|
Let me tell you what happened to me - I had a regular rubber glued before with regular glues 2-3 times. Then i decided to use CTE on it - oh what a mess. I had to scrub everything off the sponge for half-an-hour, including the already laid down layer of CTE, and only then when the sponge looked basically clean, I was able to put 6 layers of CTE on it without any problems. So, yes, if you rubber has residues of old glue on it, do not use CTE before you get rid of the old gunk. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: BACKHAND
Date Posted: 01/01/2008 at 11:34am
|
Sounds very messy. I can imagine the mess. Its the only draw back with this type of application. ------------- STIGA CARBON Tibhar Nimbus Sound 2.0mm FH Butterfly Tenergy 64 2.1mm BH http://www.mkttl.co.uk/ |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 01/01/2008 at 11:45am
Basically the solution is to only use CTE and CTF consistently - and if you glue some rubbers with regular glue keep on doing it or clean them up. Takes a bit of memorizing to remember which rubbers were done using what but then you usually can tell by looking at them... ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Jon2378
Date Posted: 01/01/2008 at 9:37pm
No, its not. Its best in max. mark v is a lot harder than sriver-el, and even notably harder than sriver-l. Also its sponge doesn't react well to glue.. you need a lot of glue to get a decent effect. They are similar, with sriver feeling more elastic, with a more grippy, but less tough topsheet, and mark v with a harder sponge. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 01/02/2008 at 12:12pm
|
That's why many have switched to Mark V 30 which is supposed to be much softer
------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 01/03/2008 at 1:17am
|
The top sheet of Sriver EL is harder->better service return close to the net. The performance of Sriver EL is consistent even after many months. Unglued Mark V is faster than unglued Sriver EL. ------------- InfinityVPS - D80 - D05 |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 01/03/2008 at 9:19am
True all... that's why I was thinking about trying EL or even Tackifire Special on BH and Mark V on FH (at some point in the distant future) ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: seasterl
Date Posted: 01/03/2008 at 2:34pm
I was using Mark V 30* "max" for a short while and found it to be hard to control and a little inconsistent. (Of course, it was probably just me.) I think that the 30* is probably best in 2.0 thickness to keep some stability in the rubber.
|
Posted By: pingpongkf
Date Posted: 01/03/2008 at 5:15pm
|
Question: whcih of the mark V series comes close to sriver FX in terms of properties?? the GPS orthe 30??
------------- http://www.speedpong.net - - www.speedpong.net TT EQUIPMENTS: Nittaku, Butterfly, Stiga, Yasaka, Galaxy YinHe, DHS, Friendship, Globe. |
Posted By: Brainstorm69
Date Posted: 01/04/2008 at 12:37am
|
What is the hardness of the sponges of the various Mark V rubbers? Mark V
Mark V 30 (I know this is 30*)
Mark V AD
Mark V GPS Mark V M2
------------- F3S | Tulpe T-7007 | F3S |
Posted By: bull_harrier
Date Posted: 01/04/2008 at 3:02am
|
I think Mark V is 40 ------------- Clipper CR WRB FH: Boost TP BH: Boost TP http://www.youtube.com/user/bullharrier - My Biology/Physiology Learning Channel on Youtube |
Posted By: Flicker
Date Posted: 01/29/2008 at 3:13pm
|
This site has Mark V @ 45 deg.
http://www.aussietabletennis.com/?Nav=Pdt&brand_id=5&PageID=8&wp=8&Nav=Pdt&category_id=1 - http://www.aussietabletennis.com/?Nav=Pdt&brand_id=5&PageID=8&wp=8&Nav=Pdt&category_id=1
|