Position of the middle finger in penhold grip
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Topic: Position of the middle finger in penhold grip
Posted By: Vladovich
Subject: Position of the middle finger in penhold grip
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 1:25pm
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I am interested in the position of the middle finger on the backhand surface. Should it lie at the middle and more straight (like Ma Lin and Wang Hao) or at the right side and more curved (like Liu Guoliang)? What are the consequences of this variation on the different strokes? http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=liuguolianggripbu6.jpg">  http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2006vwopenchinams2malinia3.jpg">  http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2006vwopenchinams2malinvi8.jpg">  |
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Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 1:28pm
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just letting u know that none of them position it the same for every stroke. They change it when they serve, loop, smash, and block
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Posted By: Vladovich
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 1:47pm
Ok, but can you explain me, if you know, what they do exactly? How do they change their grips? How do they change position and pressure of various fingers during different strokes? I would like to know that. I think it is very interesting. |
dalamchops wrote:Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 1:55pm
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players that do both traditional block and RPB tend to change their fingers on the back. When blocking, the thumb opens up, index finger presses down (to close the angle), and the 3 fingers stack on each other in the back to become reinforcement. When you do RPB the thumb presses down to open the back side, and 3 fingers in the back are like how Liu is holding it in the picture. Having the fingers all the way extended while serving gives u more power and having them curled makes it easier to keep them short. Ko Lai Chak from HKG serves while holding down on the paddle more instead of the handle ------------- Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen Andro Hexer Pips 2.1 Donic Acuda S2 Max |
Posted By: Thylacine
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 1:58pm
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The classic chinese penhold grip is that of Liu Guoliang. Wang Hao extends his midle finger because he plays RPB. If you execute the rpb with curled fingers you must have really good footwork because the angle from which you can attack the ball is smaller.
The curled fingers on the back provide better angle variation for the traditional penhold backhand. The extended fingers add to the power of your forehand. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki club |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 2:01pm
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the pictures don't relaly tell the whole story.. Liu Guoliang is holding it to do RPB, while Ma lin and Wang Hao just finished using their FH
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Posted By: Vladovich
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 2:47pm
Thanks for your comments guys. Really helped me to better understand
penhold grip. And should the fourth finger ever lie on the backhand
rubber?
So, then Ma Lin have to move his middle finger, to extend it when he does rpb and forehand, and to curved it back, when he switched to classic backhand? Or he does traditional backhand with extended fingers? |
Posted By: Vladovich
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 3:02pm
I agree, so when your middle finger are curved and, especially, lies on the right side of the backhand surface then you can provide very good angle variation with that position, and do not have to open your thumb to close up the angle. And with extended mid finger, when it lies in the middle of backhand side, you have to open your thumb to close up the angle. Did I understand this wright? |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 3:21pm
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I don't play penhold, but if I did my middle finger might tend to go more straight up when my opponent starts to win. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: Master_of_loops
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 3:23pm
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It is like shakehand grip (many styles)! Choose style that is most comfortable in your hand! ------------- 
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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 3:28pm
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Well here are few different examples. Kan Yo keeps his fingers completely flat for the FH and RPB. On his serve and regular black he stacks the fingers. Kaii Yoshida, as a traditional penholder, lets the middle and ring finger lie on the blade, but he arches the pinky up quite high, so when you look at his paddle from side, his fingers kind of look like a triangle in a way. I will post pictures soon. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 3:37pm
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Posted By: Vladovich
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 3:46pm
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This last picture is a beautiful example, thanks a lot! |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 3:57pm
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your welcome, I will post more pictures. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 3:59pm
Tell me if you want more, and of what. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: Vladovich
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 4:07pm
Thanks a lot! Well, I would like to see his traditional backhand block, if he use it, did he open the thumb, and the positon of his fingers on backhand side during that stroke.  I hope it is not a hard task.  Thanks! |
Posted By: Master_of_loops
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 4:29pm
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liXiao, nice coaching pictures! Can you also tell me where can I buy Japan TT national team shirt (Mizuno, yellow colour, last seen on Beijing 2008, Mizutani wears this shirt)? -------------
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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 4:46pm
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Oh you have to go to~ http://www.mizunonetorder.com/mizuno/product/68HB894/
You will have to use a proxy, I suggest spe.bigbig.com he is ultra reliable, and if you have any questions he has email, msn, and aim ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 4:46pm
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Oh and Vlad I will find you pictures. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: Master_of_loops
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 4:50pm
 Thank you liXiao!!!!!!!-------------
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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 4:52pm
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Oh and they have EVERY exclusive shirt to the Japanese team. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 4:55pm
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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 4:58pm
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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 4:58pm
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Damnit the pictures wont load. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: Master_of_loops
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 5:05pm
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liXiao: Have you any Japan national shirt? I'm asking this because you are the fan of Japanese TT like me! -------------
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Posted By: Master_of_loops
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 5:07pm
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Also which blade and rubbers are you using for new TT era (speed glue ban and boosters ban)? I reccently saw that you used Photino. Maybe you know how is comparing to my new TT era weapon Mizutani ZL? -------------
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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 5:11pm
I have 2 shirts, the first is the Mizuno shirt with the yellow stripes (the one Kan is wearing) the other was a white one with sponsorship patches on the left breast. And Now that I am a penholder, I have decided to buy the Kaii Yoshida with bryce, but I'm wondering if I should use fit chack, or fair chack. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: T h e N A M
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 6:14pm
that's how his grip was with his FH...
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Posted By: Master_of_loops
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 6:25pm
Beautifull TT national shirts gems! I see that your favourite player is Yoshida, and I like him too. One of my most favourite video is Yoshida vs Suss, when Yoshida kick his ass 11-0 (lol,lol,lol,lol). Also, that is beautifull when you use same equipment as your favourite player which has same style as you. And, you cant make misakes with that combos, because they are the best! My favourite player is Jun Mizutani, and I will soon use combo smillar as he (same blade as he, but with Tenergy 05, which I think he will using from September 1st) for new TT era. Maybe you can wait little more to see what will using Kali? Maybe Butterfly will make his penhold ZL carbon blade? -------------
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Posted By: charlesj
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 11:28pm
| any clearer pics of wang hao or ma lin when they do forehand loops and when they do RBH? |
Posted By: charlesj
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 11:29pm
| I believe that too straight is no good. Too curl is also no good. Do something in between! |
Posted By: manluski
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 11:48pm
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hi lixiao
pls clear your inbox it appears to be full.
nice pics kan yo (jpn). i hope dalamchops sees them. this is the grip i use for rph, also for wang hao and ma lin and others. and i don't believe the fully curved finger dalams is talking about can be used for rph, it is for the traditional one face chinese cpen. ------------- manluski |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 08/20/2008 at 11:53pm
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i do an in-between.
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Posted By: charlesj
Date Posted: 08/21/2008 at 1:23am
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a fully curled hold may result in some head heavy feeling. agree that that kind of hold is more suitable for single sided rubber |
Posted By: Thylacine
Date Posted: 08/21/2008 at 5:55am
I think that he curls his fingers when he does the traditional backhand. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki club |
Posted By: Vladovich
Date Posted: 08/21/2008 at 7:23am
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Seems like Liu Guoliang extends his fingers too, during rpb. http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=liugl02fx0.jpg">  |
Posted By: Vladovich
Date Posted: 08/21/2008 at 7:24am
| How to post a picture in the full size, like liXiao did? |
Posted By: T h e N A M
Date Posted: 08/21/2008 at 7:40am
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Posted By: Vladovich
Date Posted: 08/21/2008 at 7:45am
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Thanks The NAM, but how to do that? |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 08/21/2008 at 6:13pm
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http://www.world-tt.com/archive/20020585.pdf ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: Master_of_loops
Date Posted: 08/21/2008 at 8:06pm
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liXiao: Can you post the link for some good informations about Mizutani? -------------
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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 08/21/2008 at 8:13pm
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Just pm or use msn, I know alot, like his favorite food, where he does to school, etc. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: demo
Date Posted: 02/20/2009 at 3:17am
nice! Is there an english version of this document? |
Posted By: Totoro
Date Posted: 02/20/2009 at 3:24am
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For looping, I'd place the middle finger toward the lower part of the blade for support.
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Posted By: demo
Date Posted: 02/20/2009 at 3:26am
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where do you put pressure on the middle finger? big joint? (near) tip? even? |
Posted By: demo
Date Posted: 02/22/2009 at 2:37am
| anyone? |