Andro Hexer Review
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Topic: Andro Hexer Review
Posted By: wizz
Subject: Andro Hexer Review
Date Posted: 09/22/2009 at 11:13pm
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Hi All,
After being seriously disappointed at the DHS Neo series, I practically moved back to Tenergy (which honestly is good, but it's still lacking for me) for the past 2 weeks with very very average results in penant play. So one day on some chinese forums - I saw some ppl say that Hexer is seriously the BEST Tensor ever made (big call), I just HAD to give it a try. And I too - will just have to say, it really is the BEST Tensor ever made. Test Setups: - Andro Hexer 2.1 and T64 2.1 on Xiom Jazz. Andro Hexer 2.1 and Xiom Zeta 2.1 on Clipper Oversize Testers were 2 super league players and a local jobber in myself. Note that the Hexer is made of 100% natural rubber. This should mean that the rubber is much more durable than synthetic Tensor varieties in the past. Feel This is by no means a fast rubber at all. Its first speed is S-L-O-W, much slower than say Roxxon, JO Platin etc etc. Overall it feels quite hard but plays softer than it feels. This is prolly due to the wide spacing of the pup structure. In hindsight - this is great cos Hexer no longer has the tensor topsheet pop. Short pushing is ridulously easy and the feel is amazing on those shots. This is an area that is often overlooked by lesser standard players like me (wannabe looping machine) but the 2 super league players that were testing it couldn't stop wiping the smiles off their faces. They really were able to push short and heavy with ease. Looping This is where Hexer really comes into a league of its own. MH is a two wing looper who used to use H3 glued on both sides of his Kreanga Carbon. His smile just wouldn't be wiped off his face either. Simply put - his power loops were back. He said the spin is ALMOST as good as H3 glued. The flying arc of loops is amazing and boy does it dip. The best thing about this rubber is just how easy it is to play different types of loops (even me with my rather poor technique) as you can either let the ball sink into the sponge or you can use the grip from the topsheet to do the work for you. Just simply amazing. ** Update** The throw on loops is medium - high and as I said, the greatest thing about this rubber is that you can choose how you wanna hit hit, whereever you wanna hit it. Blocking On my slower blade I did feel the ball was dying off a bit when blocking. It only required a simple adjustment - which was for me to take the ball earlier cos the Hexer's dwell time is amazing. Let the ball sink in a little and you can angle out the push block to anywhere on the table. I'm not a great blocker on the FH (in fact I suck) but my BH block is quite good. I easily able to handle anything the 2 super league boys were throwing at me and also punch off the BH with the Hexer with good speed as well. Serving The topsheet is really grippy, it doesn't look as grippy at Tenergy but I found myself getting more spin on my serves than T05/25/64. **Let me revise this - after 2nite, I don't know what it is but it just makes getting spin on serves much easier. Sorry guys I got a bit too excited and ended up at MSAC for another hit with it. I'll answer more questions below. |
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Posted By: strongpong
Date Posted: 09/22/2009 at 11:36pm
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thanks for the review wizz.
I ordered some of these last week in the hope that they play just as you described. I actually want to slow down my setup to gain better control in tough matches. I'll be sticking these on a new Andro Kinetic Supreme Zylon.
Can't wait. ------------- Blade: Viscaria Rubber: FH Tenergy 80, BH Tenergy 80 http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29285&title=feedback-strongpong" rel="nofollow - Trading Feedback |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 12:18am
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Thanks for the info
ive been interested in this one because of the natural rubber advertised.
first thing Id love you to note (you did about serve) but how does it compare overall to tenergy 05?
Which is spinnier for looping, what is the difference in throw?, whats the difference in soft loops fast drives - blocks - smashing, how about the weight, what is the sponge on hexer like?
Also looking forward to a follow up feedback after 1 month and 2 months play.
Tenergy 05 I found I can use the same sheet for a year of lots of play, sure it loses its topsheet grip but becomes like most other rubbers brand new.
oh whats the price difference? ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: gekogark1212
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 5:21am
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Cheers for the review Wizz! Sounds like a much better alternative to Tenergy than Outlaw/Naimor/Coppa Speed. I'm now interested at how long the effects last before it gets soft and topsheet durablility.
------------- (\__/) (='.'=) But there's no sense crying over every mistake, (")_(") You just keep on trying till you run out of cake. |
Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 7:07am
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I've tried Tibhar Genius (another latest generation Tensor, probably very little difference) last night. Quite nice rubber. Very easy to generate spin. Pronounced nice arc. Not very fast but provides amazing consistency. |
Posted By: wizz
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 9:15am
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BBV - overall I think its a much easier rubber to use that produces the same if not more spin as T05. Its also a much more versatile rubber because of the great dwell time. It produces a nice med - high throw on loops which really really makes the slow loops super easy. I'm not great at it but my other mate (A1 grade player - former taiwanese national team member) could bitch slap the fark outta it with no problems. Just one note on the sponge, it's not a smooth sponge. It literally looks like a piece of household sponge lol with all the holes in it. Price Diff - Rob from affordable TT stocks them at $59 + post. Yeah I know you can get Tenergy from Dandoy for only a little more but its a good $20 cheaper than any Aussie dealer who stocks Tenergy. I seriously cannot believe how good this rubber is. |
Posted By: Lionel.Looper
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 9:25am
| With it med-high throw and good dwell time, does it top spin loop a heavy back spin ball easily and still clears the net with sufficient margin without brushing against the top of the net? I am playing with Butterfly Chinese Real 5-ply wood blade with Andro Roxon 500 Pro and some of my top spin loop against backspin ball could brush the top of the net before clearing to the opponent's table. |
Posted By: gekogark1212
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 9:53am
Let me try to answer this question. I believe is is up to you to control the arc the ball travels above the net. You may find some brush/hit ratio that works wonders for some rubbers, but I don't think you should use this for every rubber. And secondly, if you are brushing the top of the net, KEEP THAT RUBBER!!! There's nothing more annoying to block than a ball that skims the net as you no longer correctly know the amount of spin taken off. And it annoys your opponent really quickly, another plus!  ------------- (\__/) (='.'=) But there's no sense crying over every mistake, (")_(") You just keep on trying till you run out of cake. |
Lionel.Looper wrote:Posted By: Lionel.Looper
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 10:00am
But what makes me annoyed is that about 35% of the time those balls actually missed the top of the net by almost 10mm~20mm and thus I lost the points!  I really need more margin to make me feel confident that my strokes are correct.
By the way, you are right that the brush/hit ratio is important. But it depends on where the back spin ball bounces to. If it bounces within the table surface, then I can only put more brush friction spin, much less hit. If the back spin ball clears the table, then I can put in hitting and brush friction spin almost equal ratio. I wish Hexer does give me more margin for either more or less of the hit ratio for heavy back spin ball.
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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 10:01am
Kind of like Spring sponge. Is it made in Japan? or Germany? ------------- 'Nobody is Perfect. I am Nobody' |
Posted By: wizz
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 10:07am
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LL - That shot is a no brainer. I was able to get my loops about 5 - 10cm over the net off heavy backspin shot (my taiwanese training partner can chop sumfin nasty) . But the best thing about it was I was able to choose whether the slow loop went low (high risk) or just nice and safe over the net and both shots were just loaded with spin. There were shots that he just simply said 'wow - that had so much spin.' Strongpong - I got my a Kinetic Supreme Zylon Carbon too!!! Just been sealed and will see action on Saturday morning :) |
Posted By: jpenlover
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 1:31pm
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How is the sound of Hexer? Does it have the same nice sound of Roxon?
------------- Blade: Butterfly TBS Rubber: H3 Neo |
Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 2:15pm
| Looping chops/backspins is very comfortable with Genius also. Actually one of the best rubbers for that shot. This rubber seems to have covered most of the shortcomings of the Tensor breed. We'll see about the durability later on. |
Posted By: Lionel.Looper
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 2:33pm
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Wizz, I love your remarks about 5cm~10cm above the net even looping a nasty heavy back spin ball. It means Hexer is a nice rubber for my style of play, and I will get one after my Roxon 500 Pro has lost its performance considerably. |
Posted By: Lionel.Looper
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 2:59pm
| http://mytabletennis.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16774&FID=24 - speaquinox ... by the way, this Tibhar Genius of yours is attached to which blade? I am also considering this rubber since as you mentioned, the looping against heavy back spin ball is comfortable..... |
Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 3:20pm
| Oh Sang Eun. BTW, I guess Genius, Hexer and Xplode will act quite similiar. |
Posted By: Lionel.Looper
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 3:39pm
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Oh yeah....from the readings on spin speed control Genius and Hexer are simiar. and another one Donic Baracuda is also similar..... |
Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 3:42pm
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Latest Tensor (ESN/Germany) Rubbers generation: Porous sponge, higher arc, 100% natural rubber, more spin and durability. Donic Baracuda (45�) Tibhar Genius (45�) Andro Hexer (47�) Joola X-plode (47�) ps: degrees acording to ESN, don't compare with BTY or Chinese factories.. ------------- Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 3:45pm
Any ideas on the weights of uncut sheets with all those rubbers listed? ------------- |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 3:46pm
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Hexer weight? Use comparisons if you can because I not familiar with numbers. |
Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 3:52pm
Sorry, I got 2 Genius for test but they were cut to BTY standard size blade. I didn't weight them.. felt lighter than Nianmor and Tenergy 05 same size. weight: Tenergy 05 2.1 > Nianmor max. > Genius max. ------------- Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR |
Posted By: ThaiLe
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 3:58pm
Donic Baracuda, Red, Max ~ 69grs uncut Tibhar Genius, Black, 2.0mm ~ 63grs uncut Even though they claim Baracuda is 45� compared to Genius 47�, I feel that Baracuda is harder than Genius. Just my observation. |
Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 09/23/2009 at 4:03pm
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They say both are 45�. Like blades, rubbers also have some manufacturing variations.. ------------- Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR |
Posted By: Lionel.Looper
Date Posted: 09/24/2009 at 11:43am
| Too bad in Singapore I could not find Tibhar rubbers, I would love to try Tibhar Genius. If cannot be found, I would switch to either Donic Baracuda or Andro Hexer.. |
Posted By: Lionel.Looper
Date Posted: 09/24/2009 at 11:46am
| By the way, I have just purchased a new Jpen, Cypress-S (Cypress-Square) blade, and it is supposedly a nice blade for brushing-friction top spin, and knocking-brushing top spin style alike.... having these high arc rubbers on the blade is just a dream ..... Currently I am using Chinese Real (Cpen) and Andro Roxon 500 Pro 2.0.....waiting for the rubber to lose its performance before I switch.... |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 09/24/2009 at 1:06pm
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ordered a red Andro Hexer ....and expected to arrive in about a week. EJ bug? yes... this is how i thought...
step 1: checked other posts from wizz ... to make sure its not some enthusiast noobie who gets excited over everything and uses extreme adjectives.
Step 2: from his posts made sure that he is dealer neutral ... not working on behalf of a dealer.
step 3: read his review 4 times... to ensure if this is the slower version of tenergy 05 i had dreamt about.
step 4: "natural rubber" ... head of butterfly korea had told my friend the difference between tenergy and tensors is that butterfly uses more natural rubber than esn.. and hence lasts longer with better feel. tensor technology didn't allow them use natural rubbers this far. so i can expect this one to be durable, unlike tensors.
step 5: ordered :)
step 6: flip side - i had changed my FH tenergy 5 max fairly recently ... and 80-90% life left.... i need a buyer ... someone offer me a price for that. :(
------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: wizz
Date Posted: 09/24/2009 at 6:45pm
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Lol at Derbraj!!!
I am defintiely dealer neutral. I'm just like the tonne of others who have been dying for a slower tensor that gives more feel and spin over speed. I am honestly hoping that this really will be long termer that can finally replace speed glued H3 / Sriver. |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 09/24/2009 at 7:12pm
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wizz.. thx for the post.. please keep updating this post and critically evaluating the rubber...
i am counting on you for decent utilization of my $56 :)
------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: pingmasterjam
Date Posted: 09/24/2009 at 7:40pm
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my two sheets 2.1 black and red . arrived today. ill be playing this aftenoon therfore i will be able to provide a review by tommrow night
------------- Mizutani jun F/H 2.2 hurricane B/H 2.15 hurricane |
Posted By: Ndragon88
Date Posted: 09/25/2009 at 8:21am
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Looking forward to it :) ------------- Stiga Clipper Skyline TG3 NEO/Palio Thors www.youtube.com/ndragon88 |
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 09/25/2009 at 8:46am
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i am also waiting for your review.
i am also hoping for a better new generation rubber.
but i am not very confident. it is not easy to get glue dwell time and spin. because the key point is not the speed.
take your time and thank you for sharing.
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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 02/08/2010 at 4:26pm
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I just got my new andro hexer finally.
Spin - much less than tenergy
speed - much less than most rubbers I would use (similar to solcion)
looping - seems less consistant than tenergy 05 or 64, but easier to loop with than 25
blocking passively against fast attackers - this is hexer's 2nd best strength - that is if you like to slow down the pace and keep the ball on the table. But the blocks have none of the sidespin or speed (obviously) to make it hard for your opponent to kill again.
BEST THING ABOUT HEXER
non aggresive service return.
It is so easy to just get the ball to almost anywhere.
What did my first opponent think?
much easier to block my shots and even counter anything.
What are my initial feelings? I love the big change contrast from a fast or super spinny tenergy 05 loop to a really slow less spinny loop with hexer.
Hexer feels like a new improved solcion. Slow but with control just ooooozzzzing!
5 out of 5 stars for a tensor.
3 out of 5 stars for someone looking for the best looping rubber with big spin.
1 out of 5 stars for someone looking for speed.
5 out of 5 if you win by blocking and rarely attacking. ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: roenie
Date Posted: 06/19/2013 at 12:42am
Sorry to be harsh, and replying late, but I have to say:
It can't be THAT slow, because people in http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=8631#p110749 - this thread strongly disagree with you:
Even haggisv himself says:
Your signature includes a link to "My http://tenergy05.com/ - tenergy 05 blog" hosted on tenergy05.com where you say things like: "at least I could have bought an 05 I would be sure to love" It smells like you have something to gain (money) from praising Tenergy rubbers. Even if that is not the case, how can I trust your post above, knowing that you have a T05 blog? How are you *not* biased?  |
Posted By: roenie
Date Posted: 06/26/2013 at 8:23am
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For my experience with Hexer, see: http://mytt.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60505&PID=730830&title=slow-tensor-that-is-not-super-soft#730830" rel="nofollow - http://mytt.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60505&PID=730830&title=slow-tensor-that-is-not-super-soft#730830 |