Butterfly Innerforce zlc review
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Topic: Butterfly Innerforce zlc review
Posted By: tonyca
Subject: Butterfly Innerforce zlc review
Date Posted: 12/02/2009 at 2:31am
| Any new reviews about BTY innerforce zlc/zlf and where to get those new blades in North America? |
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Posted By: typhoon1
Date Posted: 12/02/2009 at 9:08am
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please compare innerforce zlc with Mizutani jun. thanks in advance |
Posted By: Tomii
Date Posted: 12/02/2009 at 3:43pm
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i have that ZLC, only thing is it's mine is named Zhang Yining ZLC :P it was limited, but they are the same under a different name as i was told. It Differs from the mizutani, that It's limba-limba ZLC Kiri. the mizutani ZLC is limba ZLC limba kiri
------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Rtenkmt6M Self-made video please watch and comment |
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 12/02/2009 at 5:55pm
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I am also interested in innerforce zlc review.
I have seen pictures about zlc zhang yinning and innerforce zlc and they do not look the same blade.
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Posted By: harldhzx
Date Posted: 12/02/2009 at 6:22pm
| Played a few balls with Innerforce ZLC today with Tenergy 05/64. Can only say goes well with Tenery 05. Not a bad blade at all. As posted on other forums, due to an ayous center is has more of a punch than say, Timo Boll ZLC. Very linear behavior. |
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 12/02/2009 at 6:56pm
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th harld,
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Posted By: chris.b40
Date Posted: 12/02/2009 at 9:38pm
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I am also interested ------------- AVALOX BLUE THUNDER |
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 12/02/2009 at 9:58pm
| hope chris we get some more information, lol. |
Posted By: speedy
Date Posted: 12/02/2009 at 10:31pm
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I don't think the InnerForce series is as good as the Timo Boll series. That's my opinion. I tried the InnerForce ULC, and it didn't impress me that much.
------------- SPEEDY Viscaria Super ALC ST JOOLA Rhyzen CMD(FH) Nittaku Moristo SP (BH) |
Posted By: tonyca
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 2:04am
| Tommii, A guy whose rating around 2800 told me innerfoce zlc is much harder than Timo Boll zlc and the control is not good as TM as well. what's your feeling on your zlc? Thanks a lot. |
Posted By: liang1983
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 8:58am
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innerforce zlc is harder than TBBS zlc, and the second bounce is flat enough, and more spinny... ...(if U brush it).
some of the TT ej said innerforce zlf is a little bit better than photino. ------------- Butterfly Photino Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 |
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 9:40am
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what the hell a review is this.
Please someone serious doing a review can get in.
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Posted By: ThaiLe
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 12:03pm
I beg to differ. Innerforce ZLF is not better than Photino or TB ZLF. Not powerful enough and less feeling/feedback compared to the other two. Just my quick observation. |
liang1983 wrote:Posted By: Tomii
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 2:52pm
A guy at OOAK owns an innerforce, and posted pics about it here http://forums.oneofakindtrading.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=8270 - http://forums.oneofakindtrading.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=8270 mine is here http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/997/pb170210.jpg - img413.imageshack.us/img413/997/pb170210.jpg looks the same, the layers, handle shape handle color everything. But i have Zhang Yining printed on the blade, and a nice case with it ^^
i think it's not that hard compared to other carbon blades, however i haven't played with Timo Boll ZLC, so i can't compare. I think it really shines at blocking, nice solid feeling, with pinpoint accuracy! One thing i don't like about it, is that the blades is sealed where the painting is on the blade, and my T05 tends to fall off when i glue it on for the first time, it only sticks well for the second time. But i think this is nonexistant with the innerforce series, since there aren't any painting ^^ ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Rtenkmt6M Self-made video please watch and comment |
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 8:20pm
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Hi That guy from what i have read has also a zhang yinning zlc, not an innerforce zlc.
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Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 8:25pm
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th anyway for your feedback about zhang yinning zlc. I also had already read that Oak article.
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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 10:58pm
------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: liang1983
Date Posted: 12/04/2009 at 3:43am
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Innerforce ZLC (shakehand) is better than Timo Boll sprit and Mizutani Jun evne HK 655.
thickness of zlc is 5.7 mm.
zlc blade shoulder is bigger than zlf.
hand feeling for zlc and zlf is a little bit different only, TBBS zlc and zlf is totally different.
1st layer materials of zlc is LIMBA, so U get the hand feeling, not hard like KOTO.
this 7 layers blade is from the softer to harder materials, so you'll feel very comfortable...
When U loop the ball, it's going powerful and spinny.
zlc is also good in defence and mid distance play.
a little bit trouble to Flip and Push near the table(my problems)
Rubber - Hexer (both sides)is very good in speed, but not spinny enough.
Sriver (both sides) is better for speed and spin.
not so good for Roxon 450/500 and JO platinium.
------------- Butterfly Photino Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 |
Posted By: liang1983
Date Posted: 12/04/2009 at 3:46am
haha!! I didn't try ZLF b4, my friends who play ZLF(tenergy 05 2.1mm / Bryce fx 2.1mm) told me is stiff and harder than Photino
 ZLF got the hand feeling like all ply wood, u even can't feel that ZLF material inside.
second bounce of ball is flat and go horizontally... ...your opponent have to BRUSH enough NOT HIT it. ------------- Butterfly Photino Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 |
Posted By: liang1983
Date Posted: 12/07/2009 at 9:28am
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any review ?? ------------- Butterfly Photino Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 |
Posted By: harldhzx
Date Posted: 12/07/2009 at 6:41pm
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This evening I played another few balls with Innerforce ZLC. I have a new sheet of Tenergy 64 on backhand / tenergy 05 on forehand. The last few month I played a Butterfly Biside with Tenergy 64. The blade plays different from blades I tried before like T5000, Biside and Boll ZLC (yes, I own them all :) ) Coming from a rather controlled Biside, I note following differences - harder feel - more vibration - much faster - less catapult A few impressions: The Innerforce ZLC, like the Biside is very direct. It has somewhat medium dwell - the ball does not sink deeply into the wood. It is still well suited to play topspin, though harder to play compared to Biside, where I feel more comfortable using power shots. The shots are faster though, and still feel very controlled, due to very linear behaviour, at least in the lower gears. As with Biside, I get a very low trajectory on topspins after first bounce. With Tenergy 05, I have to use a strong forward motion, since the blade is not very 'bouncy'. With the backhand, the most beatiful shot is the slow forward counter aginst topspin. As the blade 'eats' the ball only slightly, you can seemingly lead the ball for a long time with the 64 rubber when countering topspin. When pushing, the ball popped high quite often, probaly due to overall speed of the blade. Blade seems to have a medium high throw. From mid distance, the blade is very stable and powerful. Feels stiffer than , say, Boll ZLC. Boll ZLC has a nicer 'soft' topspin feel, though. Overall impression is actually very good. It might be a fast, somewhat different version of the Biside. Due to the overall high speed, you need very good basic strokes to get the best of this blade, though. |
Posted By: ichini
Date Posted: 04/29/2010 at 7:23pm
hey,can some1 tell me what to choose?i'm stuck between amultart,innerforce zlc,mizutani jun and TB zlc,which 1 to choose?i'm a player who likes to do topspins,loops and smashing,and can someone tell me whats the difference between innerforce zlc from the rest?i know that the zlc is the 3rd layer in the blade,but what difference does it makes? 
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Posted By: austin
Date Posted: 04/29/2010 at 7:25pm
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get the amultart really a nice blade. -------------  Peter Korbel(Fl) 89 g|FH Almana 2.0|Sriver G2 1.7 |
Posted By: ichini
Date Posted: 04/29/2010 at 9:30pm
| really,i juz came back from my fren place,was using his amultart,it was too thick for me,too heavy too,guess i'll have to go wif mizutani jun,innerforce zlc or TB zlc |
Posted By: alexcsibi
Date Posted: 04/29/2010 at 10:31pm
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actually I wheighed at my club the amultart and innerforce zlc and they are both the same weight 92 gr. the thickness is also the same so I am wondering if there is too much of a difference b/w the 2 of them? If i was to guess I'd say is the hardness... ------------- Blade: Stiga Infinity VPS FH: Spinart BH: Stiga Clippa |
Posted By: ichini
Date Posted: 04/29/2010 at 11:23pm
| anyway,if its TB zlc n innerforce zlc,which 1 would u recommend?innerforce zlc n mizutani jun,hwich 1 would u recommend,n TB zlc n mizutani jun,which 1 would u recommend? |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 04/30/2010 at 7:32pm
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my innerforce zlc is 87 gm.
and between Mizutani, Timo Boll, and innerforce...i would go innerforce...but give more time to adjust. if you are a control freak prolly timo boll... but best balance of power and control is innerforce. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 05/01/2010 at 6:20pm
Thanks for posting your impressions of the innerforce ZLC, debraj! I also think that the the TBS (and the ALC) is for control freaks. Ma Long is the best example, directly followed by Michael Maze... Just looking for control and entirely lacking power... afraid of making mistakes with a setup which they cannot handle... like Boll himself... |
Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 05/01/2010 at 6:24pm
7.something mm = 5.something mm ??? The Innerforce ZLC is much thinner!!! Besides, one is five ply with hinoki outer veneers, the other is seven ply with limba outer veneers. |
Posted By: ichini
Date Posted: 05/02/2010 at 7:37pm
| thnx a lot,now i know i wthis things,i'd rather go for innerforce zlc |
Posted By: ichini
Date Posted: 05/28/2010 at 5:22am
| actually,i dun like it coz its thick,i'm used 2 thin blades since i started out with a thin blade since i was 8 years old |
Posted By: ichini
Date Posted: 06/01/2010 at 12:14am
| hey guys,is it true that MJ has less vibration than IZLC?n has a bigger sweet spot compared to IZLC?n 1 more ques,is it true that it is lighter than IZLC? |
Posted By: gnome
Date Posted: 06/01/2010 at 12:49am
| im curious about whether the innerforce zlc and jun mizutani have identical layers, the only difference being the placement of the zylon carbon. |
Posted By: dauntless
Date Posted: 06/01/2010 at 1:43am
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IF ZLC: limba - limba - zlc - ayous - zlc - limba - limba
JM: limba - zlc - limba - kiri - limba -zlc limba http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=7194 - http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=7194 ------------- 1. BTY Primorac, Nittaku H3N, T64 2. BTY Primorac, H3N, Mendo MP http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56416 - Feedback |
Posted By: gnome
Date Posted: 06/01/2010 at 2:48pm
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thanks, love the feeling of limba, thinking of giving p700 a break and picking up an IF zlc. sadly though im beginning to think that limba top ply blades lack the crispness and penetration required for a top eight spot on the men's ittf ranking in this day and age, compared to for example koto.. |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 06/01/2010 at 5:26pm
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@gnome: :) it will cost you $150 to prove yourself wrong. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 06/01/2010 at 5:29pm
Really? I'm pretty sure gnome buying an IFZLC will not help him (or any other player for that matter) crack the top 8 ITTF ranking. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: dauntless
Date Posted: 06/02/2010 at 6:05pm
For most of us, I doubt it will make a significant impact on our game one way or the other. If it really mattered, we would probably be close to pro level. And if you are close to pro level, it wouldn't really matter that much any way simply because it would become a matter of preference and performance choice, not ABSOLUTE necessity. There are plenty of very high level player using both limba outer AND koto outer layers(and other types of wood), despite the top 8 preference for it. The more I look at equipment, the less I know about the GAME. The IF ZLC is a great blade, but it is not SIGNIFICANTLY better than say another blade of similar build and thickness. I bought this blade and like it, but it is just the one I wanted, not because I think that this particular blade/combo is going to make my game any better... because it won't. It may help with certain aspects, but my blade is not going to move my feet into position, or help me stroke better. I see what you are saying as far as top 8 using mostly Koto, but is that applicable to people on this forum? I think it is fun to know that data, but IMHO I doubt choosing the same type of equipment top 8 use will improve my game. For what it is worth, here are top 8 outer layers: --- 1 MA Long Koto 2 BOLL Timo Koto 3 MA Lin Walnut 4 WANG Hao Koto 5 ZHANG Jike Koto 6 WANG Liqin Koto? 7 XU Xin Koto 8 SAMSONOV Vladimir Limba ------------- 1. BTY Primorac, Nittaku H3N, T64 2. BTY Primorac, H3N, Mendo MP http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56416 - Feedback |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 06/02/2010 at 8:26pm
First, I absolutely agree with everything you just stated. Well said. Second, and just for fun, if WLQ is still using the same blade as he was a few months ago then it is a Ludeack, which has a limba outer ply. But he seems to have been EJing quite a bit recently, so that point may be moot. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: AllezCho
Date Posted: 06/02/2010 at 8:33pm
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Well as something accepted throughout the equipment community, Koto is more suitable with Chinese rubbers and Limba is more suitable with European rubbers. There are more Chinese players in the top 8 than European players, so Koto would obviously be more popular there. It doesn't mean that a certain wood type is better than another wood type, it depends wholly on the player and their particular style. Remember, a good player can make even the worst equipment seem like the best equipment.
------------- Viscaria T05/T64 |
Posted By: dauntless
Date Posted: 06/02/2010 at 8:48pm
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Back to the Innerforce ZLC:
I have played with three different rubbers on this blade. Sriver 1.9 and 2.1 Tenergy 2.1 Roundell 2.1 They all play well. I think this is one carbon/synthetic blade that would be suitable with a wide variety of rubbers. Maybe super hard or dense sponges would be a bit too much here. Its a fairly stiff blade but it is not like immovable. I usually like a bit more vibration, but it is fine. I actually think I liked it better with Sriver than Tenergy. I know that has more to do with not being used to Tenergy. I think this blade would work very well for lower ranked players with Mark V or Sriver EL or other non SGE rubber. I think medium soft sponge is perfect. ------------- 1. BTY Primorac, Nittaku H3N, T64 2. BTY Primorac, H3N, Mendo MP http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56416 - Feedback |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/02/2010 at 9:19pm
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1 MA Long Koto
2 BOLL Timo Koto 3 MA Lin Walnut 4 WANG Hao Koto 5 ZHANG Jike Koto 6 WANG Liqin Koto? 7 XU Xin Koto 8 SAMSONOV Vladimir Limba you could also add - which fibres are under there? I think ALC would be quite more popular too - i think jike uses alc right? ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: johnny89atc
Date Posted: 06/02/2010 at 9:23pm
Zhang Jike is using a Butterfly Viscaria... ------------- Blade: OSP Virtuoso-L RST 87gr FH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 FX 2.1 BH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 06/02/2010 at 9:27pm
Are you serious?  btw, Zhang Yining uses innerforce ZLC. I heard she's pretty good. |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 06/02/2010 at 9:28pm
Yes, and Viscaria's outer plies are koto.  |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 06/03/2010 at 12:03am
Yes, koto... and the Viscaria is an ALC blade, which is I think why johnny89atc clarified that--in response to boz's comment on ALC blades. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 06/03/2010 at 12:08am
| oops. |
Posted By: ichini
Date Posted: 07/25/2010 at 10:43pm
| hey guys,i'm wondering if IN ZLC,spin art(butterfly) and boost ts(stiga) is a good setup,though i'm not sure about my tenergy05 being replaced by spin art,i want a rubber which has good spin but not so fast,cause i've been making a lot of long serves,and it usually goes over the table with my tenergy05,do u think i made the right decision? |
Posted By: peds
Date Posted: 07/26/2010 at 2:17am
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Here's my initial impression with Innerforce ZLC: The weight of the blade that I got is 89 grams. The head diameter of the blade is quite big compared to my Stradivarius. The handle is also small and thickness is 5. something. I put my old Platin Soft on forehand while 729 Geospin on backhand. I like the feeling of the blade. It's more comfortable than Amultart. I think it's medium-hard and low throw. It also has the "wood feeling" on it. It's really great for topspin and power shots. It's fast and yet very controllable. Blocking, pushing and short game was also easy and accurate. I can put the ball wherever I want. Also, it doesn't lack power on mid-distance counter spin. The balance of power and control is really great. For me, there's nothing special about this blade. I bought it because I want it. It might help me improve my game a little bit but there's no assurance of making me a champion or something. |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 07/27/2010 at 2:56pm
| i wonder if that applies for short pips too,anyway is there anyone using this blade with short pips? |
Posted By: dauntless
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 12:42am
That sounds pretty much what I think of it. I have had it a while and have lost the urge to EJ. It just works. ------------- 1. BTY Primorac, Nittaku H3N, T64 2. BTY Primorac, H3N, Mendo MP http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56416 - Feedback |
Posted By: tsanyc
Date Posted: 10/14/2010 at 4:59pm
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ah haaaa.... Innerforce is re-arrangement of the plies.
The old way, limba/zlc/xx/xx/xx/zlc/limba
The new way, limba/kiri/zlc/xx/zlc/kiri/limba
zlc is in the inner plies...
thx
tsanyc  ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27730&title=feedback-tsanyc - My Feedback 
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Posted By: ichini
Date Posted: 10/23/2010 at 10:11am
really?i thought it was limba/limba/zlc/ayous/zlc/limba/limba,or am i wrong? ------------- Timo Boll ALC Hurricane 3 NEO National Blue Sponge Tenergy 64 My forever setup,I'm in a National Team but don't join any tournaments,too bad,no rating at all :( |
Posted By: davidzou
Date Posted: 10/23/2010 at 10:55am
| from my understanding i believe its limba limba zlc ayous zlc limba limba. Very dwelly...... |
Posted By: ichini
Date Posted: 10/25/2010 at 9:41pm
exactly,I own a Innerforce ZLC,and I like it dwelly ------------- Timo Boll ALC Hurricane 3 NEO National Blue Sponge Tenergy 64 My forever setup,I'm in a National Team but don't join any tournaments,too bad,no rating at all :( |
Posted By: W0LovePP
Date Posted: 12/31/2012 at 12:12pm
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Mine is 83 g. It feels head heavy too... ------------- Yasaka Galaxya Butterfly Amultart SI |
Posted By: dabookerman
Date Posted: 05/14/2013 at 10:27am
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Tried my 84g one last night with T80 FH and Rakza 7 BH and it is a bit head heavy. I really liked the feel of the blade, but I'm coming from a Yasaka Extra 3D so I like softer wood blades. If you feel the same way you'll probably like it. It was great away from the table allowing me to overpower and/or outspin my opponents. Blocking was also amazing with this as I had tremendous control from both sides. My serves were not as spinny so I will have to see how that goes as I continue to use it. Does anyone else have longer term thoughts about this blade? If you switched away from this, why did you switch? ------------- Photino FL Yasaka Rising Dragon Short Pips |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 05/14/2013 at 11:58am
It is a big blade (158x152) with a smallish handle. Perhaps, switching to a Mizutani Jun (limba outers, ZLC, 157x150, beefier TB-ALC type handle) might help? ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: dabookerman
Date Posted: 05/14/2013 at 12:33pm
I was not complaining but I will definitely keep that in mind. Actually I really liked the feel of the IFZLC, but I am curious as to how/why people no longer played it for comparison. I can tell from some of the updated signatures that some (Dauntless, for example) liked it but then decided to change. ------------- Photino FL Yasaka Rising Dragon Short Pips |
Posted By: W0LovePP
Date Posted: 05/14/2013 at 12:50pm
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I think IF ZLC is NOT that fast, NOR is that powerful. The reason I switched is that I have not found the best (and affordable) rubber for it. I may come back to it if I found the right rubber to pair with it. IMO, IF ZLC is not worth its price. ------------- Yasaka Galaxya Butterfly Amultart SI |
Posted By: dabookerman
Date Posted: 05/14/2013 at 12:55pm
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I liked it with T80, but that CLEARLY does not address the affordability question. Not that powerful works well for me, though, as I do not have issues with power. Based upon it's specs alone I would not have tried it as it would have been too fast for me. ------------- Photino FL Yasaka Rising Dragon Short Pips |