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Topic: Review: DHS NEO Provincial H3
Posted By: onlyspecialmade
Subject: Review: DHS NEO Provincial H3
Date Posted: 01/02/2010 at 10:06am
Review: DHS NEO Provincial H3 A Compilation by OnlySpecialMade
Tough were those days in my overseas projects. Yes I do work on table tennis tables but not treating them as what they should be�
Well, I guess it�s still worth it since those trips give me opportunities to bring back some NEO provincials :)
The Reviewers
First of all, I would like to thank botak and Eugene for taking up the challenge to response to my request of reviewing the DHS NEO Provincial H3 rubber.
Aim of the review of NEO Provincial H3: - Compare against NEO commercial H3. - Compare against other series of DHS rubbers. - Compare against other brands of post glue ban rubbers.
In my search for reviewers, I have specified certain requirements such as the reviewer has to be of a certain skill level and has knowledge or experience of DHS plus other rubbers. Also the person must be able to make unbiased and detailed comments of the quality and performance of the rubber in various areas in comparison to other rubbers.
No doubt, botak and Eugene are definitely qualified to do this important task. One is a top level player, full time coach and reviewer. Another is a great player who has tried various rubbers such as provincial tuned H3, NEO H3, NEO TG2, Tenergy 05, Tenergy 25, Tenergy 64, etc.
Gluing Process
Now let us sit back and enjoy some photos before we continue�
Right out of the package, the topsheet of the NEO Provincial H3 feels mild tacky and not to the point of �balling picking�. A white sheet of covers the sponge and a transparent glue-like layer is attached to the sponge. The NEO provincial H3 sponge feels slightly softer/bouncier than the commercial NEO H3 sponge.
Water based VOC free glue is applied on the blade and the sponge without removing that very thin layer of transparent glue-like thingy. Personally I feel that this layer is to conceal the inbuilt tension effect of NEO rubbers.
So what are the test equipments?
Set 1 Blade - YEO Cpen 79g Rubber - NEO Provincial H3 Black 40degree 2.1mm
Set 2 Blade - YEO Cpen 78g Rubber - NEO Commercial H3 Black 40degree 2.2mm
Can you differentiate the Provincial and Commercial from the pics? ;) Answer: The one on the right side is the NEO Provincial H3!
Both rubbers are glued using Nittaku Finezip 100.
Test Procedure�
Prior to the testing, old H3 on #20 sponge with regular glue and also the NEO commercial 40degree 2.2mm rubbers are used for warming up.
Then the NEO provincial and commercial setups are used for the following:
1) Forehand stroke. 2) Forehand top spin and forehand block. 3) Forehand counter loop. 4) Backhand traditional push stroke. 5) Forehand top spin and backhand block. 6) Backspin. 7) Forehand loop backspin and block. 8) Service and attack.
A variety of forehand looping techniques are used. Perhaps botak or Eugene may explain on what they have tried.
Well I guess both botak and Eugene must be exhausted after the review exercise. So let us give them some time and rest before they could do a realistic write up of their impressions :)
More information:
forum_posts.asp?TID=31966 - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31966
Thanks.
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Posted By: onlyspecialmade
Date Posted: 01/02/2010 at 10:07am
Review by botak
botaktt: Review of differences in characteristics of Neo Hurricane 3, Provincial Version and Commercial Version.
By botak
About the Author
botak is a full time table tennis coach, who's able to play almost all
playstyles and equipment effectively. From shakehand to penhold,
reversed rubber to long pips, japanese, euro and chinese rubber, and
understands the technical specifics for these racket coverings and
playstyle. He has written many detailed commentaries of world class
matches, tactical analysis and equipment descriptions with good
response. He has also umpired in all major competitions, including
international competitions held in Singapore, from 2008, observing the
game at the highest quality from close range.
Abstract (in a nutshell)
According to DHS traditions, the Provincial Version of their rubbers
has a significantly higher quality as compared to their Commercial
Version, in terms of elasticity, stickiness, uniformity and reaction to
speed glue. In this test, two brand new pieces of NeoH3, one of
provincial version and one of commercial version, in order to compare
the characteristics of these two versions for the NeoH3. Both rubbers
were pasted on Yasaka Extra Offensive Penhold. The results showed that
NeoH3P performed better in most aspects, with the exception of absolute
power and quality. NeoH3P has been found to be much more forgiving, and
easier to use for the average recreational player, and for players who
have problem unleashing the capabilities of the OldH3. However,
sufficiently skilled players might prefer the NeoH3C instead, as the
power it can offer is much more significant. Additionally, players who
were able to unleash the capabilities of OldH3 would find NeoH3
limiting in their play.
Introduction
The inconsistent quality control (QC) of china brand equipments have
almost reached the state of notorious. Since as far back as 2003, when
the first batch of Old Label Provincial Grade Hurricane 3 (OPH3) was
leaked into the Singapore market, there has been a constant saying
within the local TT circuit that when u find a good piece of H3, u
can't find another that's exactly the same.
It is also exactly cause of this QC issue, that we have come across
many "versions" of today's most successful and popular Hurricane 3
rubber (H3) by DHS. From the "national" version, "provincial" version
(prov), "commercial" version (comm), even the "fake" version that tries
to imitate the success of the tornado. What we can get hold of in the
market, is only the comm version and some prov versions that was
released by various province teams when they have excess stock. It is
of course, intuitive that the National versions have the best quality
among all, followed by prov version, followed by comm version.
Even within the same version, there has been varying levels of quality
too. Within the prov versions, the moment one happen to get a piece in
the lower quality spectrum, the quality can be so low, it could often
be mistaken/interpreted as "fake" prov. So, instead of saying whether
it's real or fake, of comm version or prov version, perhaps it's more
logical to say, if this piece is of a higher quality, or towards the
end of lower quality spectrum.
Simply beacuse, China, being such a big manufacturer of products,
producing such a high volume of goods, cannot possibly ensure the same
quality throughout the goods, even within the same classification of
goods.
The lowest quality of prov version may just be a little bit better,
compared to the highest quality of comm version, perhaps even
insignificant to most layers. Although one thing for sure, the average
quality across the prov and comm versions do have a significant
difference, simply cause the prov versions are selected as higher
quality product.
Comparing the differences of prov H3 (H3-P) and comm H3 (H3-C), some
characteristics are frequently observed. The rubber is overall lighter,
sponge being softer but more elastic, topsheet too has a more elastic
feel to it and the spin generated often surpasses that of H3-C,
probably because of more consistent characteristic of rubber-layer or
due to higher levels of stickiness (often known as tacky-ness). Back in
the old days when speed glueing is a norm, the prov rubbers offer
better speed-glueing effect too.
Fast forward ahead of time, after the speed glue ban, DHS comes up with
a brand new rubber known to us as Neo Hurricane3, with a brand new ITTF
registration number and logo design on the rubber. It is said that
NeoH3 has exactly the same topsheet as OldH3, however in a seperate
test conducted, I am absolutely certain that this two rubbers plays
differently, requiring different technical handling even though the
effect of which is the same. It should be noted here that this NeoH3
and OldH3 should be regarded as different rubbers, as we further
discuss some technical issue with NeoH3 below. For more information on
differences between Neo-H3 and Old-H3, stay tuned for a coming detailed
review.
And as expected by many fans, soon after the Neo-H3 gains its status
among the various TT communities around the globe, the prov version of
Neo-H3 has surfaced (Neo-H3-P). It is said to only come in thickness of
2.1mm and 2.15 so far, no 2.2mm, both in prov and nat versions of the
rubber.
In this report, we will be discussing on the differences between com
and prov versions of NeoH3. Since the classification of quality is
similar to traditional classification, i.e. nationa/prov/comm versions,
it is intuitive that the differences between NeoH3P and NeoH3C should
be similar to the differences between OldH3P and OldH3C. Overall, we
should expect a more superior quality and playing characteristics in
the NeoH3P, as compared to NeoH3C.
Method
In this test of rubber characteristics and differences, forumer Eugene
and I, botak had a 2-hour session at Sengkang Sports Complex.
Multiballs are used in order to save time in between each rally, so as
to maintain the continuity and keeping the feeling fresh in our minds
at each rally.
Two seperate blades were used. Both were Yasaka Extra Offensive (YEO)
C-pen version, courtesy of forumer Eugene, with a similar weight rating
and hand feel. The NeoH3P was glued on a blade where the backhand
rubber was Butterfly Bryce Speed 2.1mm, while the NeoH3C's blade had
the backhand rubber as Butterfly Sriver Max. Both NeoH3 rubbers are
freshly glued, cut, and used for the first time. In order to minimize
the inferior playing characteristics of a brand new DHS rubber, botak
has adopted his tried and tested method to minimize this effect on both
rubbers.
The following practice items are adopted.
1) 正手对攻, simple FH rally.
2) 正手连续拉, FH continuous drive rally, the other blocks.
3) 正手对拉, FH counter-drive rally.
4) 反手推挡, BH push-block rally.
5) 搓球,摆短. push-chop rally, short.
6) 侧身拉高调, 连续拉冲. high-arc loop from backspin, followed by continuous high-power drives.
7) 发球强冲, serve followed by explosive FH drive.
These practice items are selected as these are they covers the majority
of all technical requirements of the table tennis sport, from arc of
outgoing shots, blocking control, over the table control, spin and
explosive power. Service practice item however is not included in this
testing.
It has been well recognized the backhand rubber in C-pen play affects
the hand feel significantly of the overall setup, however for this
experiment, we're only looking at the characteristics of the forehand
rubber alone. Observations are carefully made for each practice item,
and the characteristics due to the rubber differences are isolated and
evaluated. Special considerations and adjustments are also taken into
account if the characteristic in question is dependent on the overall
setup.
Results and Discussion
Upon holding the package, the density of the rubber is immediately
observed. It feels much lighter as compared to a comm piece of NeoH3.
This could be attributed to the slightly thinner sponge, however as the
prov has only 2 corners cut off, total surface area is actually larger
for NeoH3P than NeoH3C. Furtherfore, what was being noticed is the
density of the rubber itself, and not the overall weight. After pasting
it, it felt even more evident.
Finger pressing of the NeoH3P sponge had a much softer, and elastic
feel to it. The topsheet also felt more elastic, as the rubber and
sponge deformed back into it's original shape quicker when being
pressed.
Upon pasting the rubbers on the blade, the density felt even more
evident. The overall C.G of the NeoH3P setup felt balanced, close to
the center-ply of the blade, while the NeoH3C setup had it's CG towards
the FH side of the blade. Such setup like the NeoH3C would result in a
FH-biased blade which adds to the power on the FH side, while allowing
better grip and control on the BH side. This is confirmed by
preliminary tests on the FH swing where the NeoH3C setup felt more
powerful, due to it's C.G. placement. This is taken into account when
assessing the power characteristics of the NeoH3 rubbers.
Practice Item 1)
For the NeoH3P, the ball sank deeper in, but yet able to rebound out
more comfortably. On the other hand, the NeoH3C requires a deeper hit
into the sponge for the ball to sink in. This is definitely due to the
sponge hardness difference. However it should be noted that it's
independent on the hardness rating, but more due to the elastic feel of
the sponge. This is shown more clearly in the rebound effect difference
between the two. The NeoH3C rebounds less, meaning less energy is being
returned to the ball, due to the elasticity difference.
This means that the NeoH3P is a more user friendly rubber to use,
requiring less effort but yet maximizing the output onto the ball.
However, if in the hands of a player who often have strong swings but
unable to manage his strength efficiently, the stiffer NeoH3C would be
a more forgiving rubber to use, as the excessive force is effectively
dissipated, resulting in a higher consistency.
Practice Item 2)
The NeoH3P had a significantly longer dwell time in the sponge as
compared to NeoH3C. For a slower driving swing, this rubbers allow
better control and grip, drives will feel more manageable. On the other
hand, the ball leaves the NeoH3C earlier at a shorter time. This
actually means that it's more suited for a faster driving swing, as the
long dwell time, even with higher elasticity, of the NeoH3P cannot
bring out the ball quickly enough to satisfy the faster swing.
In this case, spin cannot be compared directly as there's a far higher
emphasis on the technique used instead. For a faster swing, or rubbing
at the topsheet only, NeoH3C generates better. While for a slower
swing, or rubbing slightly deeper in, NeoH3P performs better. This
boils down to the player's preferred technical handling to know which
rubber brings higher spin.
While blocking the FH drives, NeoH3P is able to slow the ball down with
better control, but also able to bring the ball out faster at the
player's control. Even for a flat block, i.e. just putting the racket
there letting the ball rebound, the NeoH3P performed better with more
stable rebound and return arc. Due to the longer dwell time and more
elastic sponge, the control, consistency is much higher for NeoH3P in
all aspect.
Practice Item 3)
Similar to item 2, the NeoH3P is more forgiving and consistent, easier
to dwell into the rubber to generate the spin required. However, in
terms of power output, the NeoH3C fairs better in this aspect for this
test. This is because the NeoH3C requires a faster and deeper contact
into the ball in order to be return the ball reliably, hence the power
is higher in this test. However, the spin generated by NeoH3P is
definitely higher, resulting in a more effective competitive game in
this aspect. The ball may be slower before landing on the table, but
the additional increase in speed due to the spin is much more
effective, compared to absolute speed from the NeoH3C.
However, it is more likely that it's actually due to the FH-biased
setup and thicker BH rubber that contributes to the power. To find out
which rubber has a higher power if both rubbers were used on the same
setup instead, further testing is required.
For any player who's sufficiently skilled to go into mid/far table
counter-looping/driving, the consistency and spin characteristics will
be far more important than power and speed. As a result, NeoH3P
outperforms NeoH3C in this aspect. But for those who can't go into this
aspect of the sport yet, this item is irrelevant for consideration.
Although for the players who's higher skilled, they'd probably prefer
NeoH3C due to the additional power it can offer.
Practice Item 4)
Both rubber fared similarly for this test. There's no notable
difference as both tester, Eugene and I were push-blocking with each
other, hence we're mostly depending on our own push-blocking force to
return the ball. Arguably NeoH3P has more feel into it, hence suits the
long push-block technique better. On the other hand, if the player's
preference is the punching push-block, NeoH3C might be more effective.
Overall, both rubbers fairs similarly.
If one tester were to use shakehand's backhand instead, i.e. with more
spin than just push-blocking, we might detect a notable difference.
Further testing is required for this.
Practice Item 5)
No immediate difference were detected. As this item requires more
handling on the topsheet, hence the difference in sponge between the
two didn't result in much of a difference. However, as the NeoH3P has a
better consistency in topsheet stickiness, more uniform in the
material, it can be said to have a slight edge over NeoH3C.
However, as the quality of the push-chops gets stronger, and as the
pushes gets longer (from 摆短 to 劈长), the softer NeoH3P sponge actually
started to affect the quality. The sponge seems to be too soft for this
and tends to pop up higher than desired as the chops gets more
aggressive. Despite this, the control and spin is still higher for
NeoH3P.
Practice Item 6)
It should be noted first that the technique adopted is simply
generating a loop upwards, without any forward driving force. Similar
to Practice Item 2 and 3, due to the longer dwell time necessary for
this technique, NeoH3P outperforms in most aspect. It offers much
better grip when looping the underspin, offering much better control
and safe arc over the net. It also won't go too high over the net as
long as the technical handling is appropriate. The spin generated is
also significantly better for the NeoH3P, given the same effort in
looping.
However, under maximum force imparted, NeoH3C offers stronger spin when
looping. Similar to Practice Item 2 and 3, the consistency would be
affected significantly. Although, in the hands of a sufficiently
skilled player, such control or consistency issue won't be a problem.
Because of this, NeoH3C would possibly be preferred to players at a
higher skill level.
Once again, it remains possible that the FH-biased setup could be a
bigger reason for the difference in quality for high-power shots.
Practice Item 7)
This is one item which NeoH3P has failed in what NeoH3C can offer. Due
to the softer sponge, despite it's elasticity, the NeoH3P cannot
support the high power exerted by the player. It sank much faster than
the NeoH3C, and there seems to be a limit in supporting the high power
which the player can impart.
Spin and arc in the power drive is not as important for this aspect, as
the NeoH3's technical requirement for power drives, is more of a flat
drive rather than emphasizing on power rubbing (one of the key
differences between NeoH3 and OldH3). This is why a harder and denser
sponge would be benefit the player much more. This is of course, on the
condition that the player is sufficiently skilled to bring out the
limit of NeoH3P.
Once again, it remains possible that the FH-biased setup could be a
bigger reason for the difference in quality for high-power shots. Only
further testing can confirm this.
Conclusion
As hypothesized before the test, the general differences between OldH3
prov and comm versions were also observed in the NeoH3. NeoH3P
outperformed NeoH3C in most aspects. From spin, control, consistency,
and elasticity, with the only exception being the maximum power the
sponge can bring, and the support which the sponge can offer for the
player's self-exerted explosive power.
This rubber can definitely bring the specialty of the Hurricane3, it's
spin and distinct arc, into the hands of the beginner to intermediate
players who used to have problem using the OldH3. With the prov
version, the additional control and elasticity will be much more
forgiving for such players.
However, it should be noted that for players above a certain skill,
they might prefer the NeoH3C instead, due to the support and maximum
quality it'd allow the player to exert. For issues of control or
consistency, it shouldn't pose much problems as the higher level
players should be able to adapt accordingly by themselves. Personally
throughout the test, I prefer the NeoH3C much more to the NeoH3P.
To further add on, players who were able to unleash the capabilities of
OldH3 would find NeoH3 limiting in their play. NeoH3 is just more
forgiving for the players, but can't offer much options for the
sufficiently skilled.
However, as professional players would definitely tune their rubbers
additionally, it is possible that NeoH3P offers better tuning effect
and even greater power when fully tuned, as compared to NeoH3C. Only
proper tuning tests can answer this.
In this test, we're only using YEO as our blade. To further test the
differences between this two rubbers, other tests would be required on
other blades, for example shakehand, composite materials and pure wood,
or other penhold blades.
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Posted By: onlyspecialmade
Date Posted: 01/02/2010 at 10:11am
Feedback from Peter
Thickness 2.15 mm Hardness 39 Degree
Compared
to H3P #20, the sponge of Neo is more elastic and livelier. It only
take several minutes to break in. The #20 sponge needs 2-3 session to
break in. When Smashing hard, it doesn't have a strange ching sound as
the #20.
I think the top sheet are the same as the older version
of H3P but with new marking. The sponge comes with a pretune just like
Blue Whale II Factory tuned.
H3P Neo is an upgrade version of
H3P #20. It has all the characteristic of H3P #20 but it's more
forgiving, faster, spin is about the same.
Feedback from nittakuball
My friend like it.(is better control and nice click sound than the old H3 rubber)
Feedback from BMonkey
I ordered a sheet of H3 Neo Provincial Black 2.1mm 38 degree rubber from onlyspecialmade awhile back and received it several weeks ago. I put it onto the forehand side of my Nittaku Acoustic blade. Here�s my review:
This is the ultimate forehand rubber!
I had tried some of the old versions of H3 in the past and had bought a sheet of H3 No.19 with intensifier, but found them to be slow and overly dead. However after hearing all the great things on mytt.net I decided to give H3 another shot. Onlyspecialmade got the rubber in the mail and to quickly after I ordered and that was great. I glued up with Free Chack and found that the rubber on my blade was definitely lighter than Tenergy 05 (though not as light as the Joola Express One on the other side). I found that H3 Neo paired well with the Acoustic because some people complain about the amount of feedback that the blade gives and the rubber was just dead enough to temper that feedback to the perfect amount IMO.
Play: H3 Neo is definitely a rubber better suited to a close to the table game. Speed of the rubber is good, not as fast and not nearly as bouncy as Tenergy, but faster than old versions and definitely fast enough for an attacking game in the speed glue ban era. There is no comparison between Tenergy 05 and H3 Neo Provincial when it comes to the short game. Pushing is a snap and they are very spinney. H3 doesn�t give you punishing trampoline pop outs like Tenergy 05 does if you aren�t perfect with your touch on the ball when returning serves. I found serves to also be quite a bit spinier with H3 Neo than Tenergy because the rubber is a bit slower than Tenergy so you can use a faster action without the ball shooting out.
Close to the table/over the table looping was the same thing; you could use more racket speed up close without fear of launching the ball off the end of the table. Tenergy grabs the ball and shoots it out but I didn�t feel like H3 Neo shot it out nearly as dramatically as the Tenergy does. Once you backed up past about 1 meter though, the tables completely turned. Tenergy is in its power band at this distance and you can really send some bullets back towards your opponent where with H3 Neo the further and further away from the table you get you really start to have to work to get it back with good speed/spin and your arm will get tired if you play out there too much (like if you were at a tournament). That might also have to do with the 38 degree rubber I chose.
Blocking with H3 Neo is predictable and very controllable for being a tacky Chinese rubber. I find it to be better than Tenergy but compared to other rubbers (like Express One) it is not that great due to its tackiness.
It has been a few weeks now and has been played about 60 hours now and the sweet spot is still looking good. The only wear spot is where my thumb goes during service but that�s not an issue. I should also note that unlike Tenergy, H3 Neo still plays well when it is cold and/or humid. We�ve had some very cold days here and the ventilation has been off so it was very humid inside and people were complaining about their sheets of Tenergy but H3 Neo was still spinning strong. The sheet I�ve purchased has caused a buzz among the better players in my club (1900+ USATT players) and getting them interested in any new products for more than a few minutes of trying it out is hard to do.
Feedback from NickW
Here's my quick review of H3 NEO Provincial.
Equipment-
Timo Boll Spirit FL forehand- H3 NEO Provincial 2.15 38 degrees backhand- Tenergy 64 1.9
Previous recent comparisons used long term on forehand-
H3 NEO 2.2 39 degrees H3 Provincial Tuned 2.15 38 degrees 729-08 2.15 47 degrees
Previous blades over the last two years-
Nittaku Rutis Spintech Luxor Spintech Carbo Elite
Style of play-
Close to the table two wing counter attacker/punch blocker.
Practice/play usage-
4-5 days/week play, twice a week 2 hour multiball practice and two/three times a week 2-4 hour open practice/matchplay.
H3 NEO is a good upgrade from H3. The infused power is much better than H3 Provincial Tuned, and it lasts a lot longer than the previous Tuned product. However, the big problem with the commercial H3 NEO is that it's too thick. Loops did not sink into the sponge very well for me. Perhaps it's because it was 39 degrees, but that's the softest I could find. Loop drives tend to be wild and uncontrollable, and the top sheet color (black) seemed to fade after three/four weeks of use. Perhaps the commercial topsheets do not have good durability, but then again, the Provincial Tuned sponge lost their "tune" after 3-4 weeks too.
That being said, H3 NEO Provincial returned me to the controlled power loop game that I am familiar with when using H3 Provincial Tuned. Drives are back under control, spin is the same as before. There is plenty of speed as long as the loop/drive really sinks into the sponge.
This is a big step in the right direction for me. For those who are used to H3 Provincial and used speed glue/tuners/boosters this can effectively replace those products.
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Posted By: onlyspecialmade
Date Posted: 01/06/2010 at 12:23am
Reserved space for reviews
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Posted By: onlyspecialmade
Date Posted: 01/06/2010 at 12:24am
Reserved space for review
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Posted By: onlyspecialmade
Date Posted: 01/06/2010 at 12:39am
Reserved space for review
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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 01/06/2010 at 2:34am
onlyspecialmade wrote:
Well, I guess it�s still worth it since those trips give me opportunities to bring back some NEO provincials :)
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How did you manage to get these rubbers? Have you robbed the local Post Office, hijacked the Chinese Fedex equivalent, or bribed three provincial coaches?
Seriously, your theoretical and methodological foundations are impressive. I cannot wait to read the test results.
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Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 01/06/2010 at 11:05am
cool
------------- DHS 032 Butterfly Bryce Highspeed
Singapore & Canada
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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 01/06/2010 at 10:58pm
I'd guess that batch is something like 10% of all H3 Neo Provincials produced last month!
What the heck!
------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42
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Posted By: onlyspecialmade
Date Posted: 01/07/2010 at 12:40am
That pic only shows my very 1st batch of goods which I sold quite some time ago :)
Considering the number of provincial players in China and Hong Kong and the usage of rubbers per player... that number is really nothing... but what the players are willing to release to outsiders is very limited.
As for the review, credits should go to my reviewers! Thumbs up for them :)
As for the http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31240 - Q and A about DHS NEO Provincial , I hope I have not offended any one, especially the sellers and their buyers of some DHS products in this forum. And I feel that it is not entirely the fault of any seller to provide inaccurate information since their knowledge is from certain provincial players. Players are afterall users as well. They only play and there is no need for all the information since their source is definitely authentic. Anything they heard or feel about the DHS products may just be personal opinions. The ultimate source of verification has to be done with DHS. So please do not PM or ask me about the products which you got from other sellers. Please refer to the forum_posts.asp?TID=31240 - Q and A about DHS NEO Provincial instead. I would update the information in the Q and A upon getting new updates from DHS.
Thanks for viewing!
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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 01/07/2010 at 1:45pm
Sorry - I was just kidding around :) I really appreciate the Q and A session and believe that you are 100% accurate when you indicate that much of what provincial players feel about DHS products is just opinion and not official!
------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42
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Posted By: onlyspecialmade
Date Posted: 01/09/2010 at 10:42am
Coming soon... - For more information on
differences between Neo-H3 and Old-H3, stay tuned for a coming detailed
review... - Eugene's review
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Posted By: Totoro
Date Posted: 01/10/2010 at 5:12am
I want that YEO+H3NeoP+BryceSpeed 2.1mm A LOT.
------------- I'm 15
Clipper Wood
FH: DHS Hurricane 3 PROVINCIAL 2.15mm 38 degrees
BH: Palio CK531A OX
CPen Looper with LP twiddling, blocking hitting and LP RPB
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Posted By: yorsh82
Date Posted: 01/10/2010 at 9:51pm
Imago wrote:
onlyspecialmade wrote:
Well, I guess it�s still worth it since those trips give me opportunities to bring back some NEO provincials :) | How did you manage to get these rubbers? Have you robbed the local Post Office, hijacked the Chinese Fedex equivalent, or bribed three provincial coaches? Seriously, your theoretical and methodological foundations are impressive. I cannot wait to read the test results. |
do u have stock now??
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Posted By: onlyspecialmade
Date Posted: 01/11/2010 at 2:27am
Please refer to my sales posts for all sales items...
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31247 - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31247
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Posted By: onlyspecialmade
Date Posted: 01/11/2010 at 7:36pm
Thanks for the feedback from BMonkey
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Posted By: hut8
Date Posted: 01/12/2010 at 10:42am
the Neo rubber are pre-glued
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Posted By: dauntless
Date Posted: 01/12/2010 at 2:16pm
What does pre=glued mean?
Are they sticky? Or has a layer of glue been applied in the factory and then you re-apply a "fastening" layer?
Can you elaborate?
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Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 01/12/2010 at 2:23pm
dauntless wrote:
What does pre=glued mean?
Are they sticky? Or has a layer of glue been applied in the factory and then you re-apply a "fastening" layer?
Can you elaborate? |
From the posters information by the gluing pic of YEO. I believe if you read his other post about NEO rubbers...it might of been explained more in depth if I recall.
Water based VOC free glue is applied on the blade and the sponge
without removing that very thin layer of transparent glue-like thingy.
Personally I feel that this layer is to conceal the inbuilt tension
effect of NEO rubbers.
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Posted By: onlyspecialmade
Date Posted: 01/12/2010 at 8:00pm
In the test by botak/Eugene:
Nittaku Finezip 100 is applied to both the sponge and the blade. Gluing for NEO rubbers is like gluing for any other normal rubbers.
Initially the commercial version setup only has the blade applied with glue. As that would affect the hand feel, we decided that re-gluing be done for that setup. So yes, the commercial setup has gone through re-gluing while the provincial setup has gone through only 1 time of gluing. This may contribute very slight difference in the test result but this gluing factor should not be the main contributing factor to the results.
As mentioned by botak, the overall commercial version setup of YEO with the 2 rubbers is forehand biased. The center of gravity (CG) is towards the head of the of the blade. Head heavy setups usually result in greatly power in mid and far table.
Unless we use different blades of exact quality and weight, with the same quality/hardness/weight/thickness/positioning of back side rubber together with the same thickness/hardness/positioning of forehand NEO H3, it is very difficult to compare. Also, since QC of DHS varies, quality inconsistency would result in test inacuracy. However, I believe we had already tried to make the test as accurate as possible. The writeup by botak has been unbiased based on his personal professional experience and I personally find it to be a very good guide.
Well, the comparison between the provincial and commercial is nothing new since many have already used both versions before. So the test results is somehow expected. What really excites me is the upcoming review to compare the old H3 and new NEO H3 and the trend DHS is heading to.
So stay tuned!
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Posted By: onlyspecialmade
Date Posted: 01/12/2010 at 9:46pm
Update to botak's review: edited review.
added info on the author
added abstract (summary) of the review.
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Posted By: saif
Date Posted: 01/13/2010 at 2:41am
@onlyspecialmade, Can you tell me what's the difference between the black and red sheets of Neo rubbers?
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Posted By: onlyspecialmade
Date Posted: 01/14/2010 at 12:15am
Credits to botak for this:
"the difference is general to all black and red version of all rubbers.
black always gives better grip and longer dwell
while red always gives better rebound and faster speed.
cannot be said which is more appropriate, which is better, it's
entirely up to personal preference to which is the more suitable
rubber. even if all Chinese national team members uses black as their
FH, do note that most Chinese kids uses Red as their FH. this probably
helps to developed their skills better during their developmental
stage."
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