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Topic: Please Critique
Posted By: bumpernets19
Subject: Please Critique
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 1:04am
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Hi all, this is where I will post my first video as soon as someone tells me how to embed the file from youtube. ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
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Posted By: spitfire
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 1:14am
| why not just give us a link? |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 1:16am
Can't you just copy/paste the URL and then hyperlink it?
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bumpernets19 wrote:Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 1:35am
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yea I can easily but I figured all of the guru wizs would be all over the embedding stuff so here ya'll go...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foWCDy68SFk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foWCDy68SFk
Anyways. This is my first tournament since around thanksgiving so...And this is my worst tourney thus far...two and out. So I figured it would be the best one to recieve criticism on. I am playing barnabas gonzales who is approaching 1900 rapidly and is easily the best under 20 at our club. Sorry no one really gets to see what I can do since he never gives me an opportunity but enjoy and critique. ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 1:52am
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btw thanks in advance. ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: MildSeven
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 2:09am
| Which one are you? Your playing area is awfully cramped length wise, you can't even play mid distance. |
Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 2:17am
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oh yea its terrible but it makes you a lot better at reacting to balls. I'm the far side...I get killed but respectively to someone who has always been much better. ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 2:28am
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Embed the youtube link in the opening post,
by: [GLASH HEIGHT=344 WIDTH=425]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foWCDy68SFk[/GLASH] Replacing both "GLASH" by "FLASH" Looking briefly... It looks like that guy has more space than you. Long serves should be looped, not chopped. Practice more on this. Forehand block shouldn't be a stop sign. You need to start the block like a loop, with a body turn and have the bat sideways. Also, be ready to attack after you serve.If you serve topspin, expect to attack a topspin flip/flick. Serve backspin, expect to attack a backspin push. |
Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 2:38am
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thanks for the post help and on the blocking lol its a little easier to block when i have time to think about it. I'm squeezed so tight I dunno if I can even take a step back. Hopefully tomorrow I will have a much better video of my gf and I on here that will make me look a tad better than this crap haha :P ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: ttguy
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 2:39am
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1900? You are still far to reach this goal.
Here is the video for the competition for 1300
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3A_CKckOM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3A_CKckOM
Anthony Chu (the winner) is ranked around 1000 now.
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Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 2:53am
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he is 1900. Not me. I'm not ranked in the usatt. Thanks for the comparison though. My game at peak though is b/t 16 and 17. Thats what I've been told by most peers and the owners. I've never had a coach :( ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 2:56am
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nvm no thanks for the comparison I would beat those two. Just being honest not mean. I know that I posted a bad video for a reason, but thats because I wanted the most constructive criticism...that however, is a joke to me. ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: rupertgriffin
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 3:01am
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Ready position: Left foot should be a bit more in front of the right Bh loop: You punch upward kinda. Try backhand looping like you were throwing a frisbee. Elbow should rotate, staying in the sameish position fh loop: Try starting more below or behind the ball depending what spin it has on it. You started at the ball for the one you did. Chops: you slice at the ball/table going sideways. This will lack control. Try stabbing/chopping downwards at the table. Sometimes in pro tt vids you hear thier bats hit the table. Grip: your grip is backhand orientated. Try twisting the blade face so forehands are comfortable aswell as backhands. I think you tried chopping long balls because theres no confidence in loops. Kennys right saying there is necessity to practice looping, esp looping underspin. If we cant loop underspin, we are stuck chopping everything which will be boring, waiting on them to initiate topspin rallies. ------------- http://www.tabletennisonline.blogspot.com - http://www.tabletennisonline.blogspot.com |
Posted By: tdragon
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 3:06am
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You need to have coach to correct your form and basic footwork. Based on your Avatar, your equipment is too fast for you and not good for your development. Fast equipment is good for smashing but you would not have the control and feel/touch for the ball when you want to loop, flip or to generate the good spin. |
Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 3:08am
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thanks you two ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 3:36am
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Thanks bumper,
you are brave to put a vidio on here as most people won't . So look at each post and comments and take the best ideas and work on them.
My only two comments are
1. mental ; you think your mate is much better than you so therefor you will always loose. so just take the approach of playing with confindence and play to beat him, if you can win 1 point then you can win two ,
2. practice recieving serves, multiballs, to build up mussle memory
good luck ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: Boss1703
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 4:40am
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two things.
one: how is it possible to play when shoes go out of your feet so easily?
two: don' smile and talk all the time with the other player... be more focused on the ball... be concentrated. i think you could avoid easy mistakes. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pierrefiassemapageping updated 20.11.10 http://bosscollection.skyrock.com http://tennisdetablecomtests.skyrock.com |
Posted By: VanTC
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 4:47am
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Im also new here, I play TT about 2 year ago.like pumpernets19 I've never had a coach.
Could you please give me some advice?
Im the asian one, from Vietnam, and apologize for my english...
Sorry also pumpernets19, that i put my video here, i dont know how to create a new thead...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX0xw-wZTUg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX0xw-wZTUg
in club i just training with those 2 young friends:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTNjpg78JKY&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTNjpg78JKY&feature=related
and watch a lot of TT video...
thanks in advance!
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Posted By: Takadigi
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 5:40am
I doubt you will be able to score even 4 points against either of those two. |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 5:43am
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bumpernets, always make it a habit when doing a bh or a fh stroke that the ball should be in the center line of your body. i think you need to practice your side to side movements or sidestepping. also learn to receive side spin or no spin balls. dont chop or push all of them
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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 5:49am
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van, you're movements are a bit stiff. you should relax your arm and maybe add some more wrists in your strokes
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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 6:02am
dont these kids go to GLTTC? i believe iv seen them somewhere. ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: VanTC
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 6:27am
| thank yogi_bear!, someone sad to me this problem 6 months ago, i still try but it seem that i can not relax my arm hix hix.... |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 7:01am
Kudos to the original poster, videos take courage.
And while I agree with the body relaxation, wrist at this point is a bad idea.
Many of the strokes were very "arm only" and not leg, hip, torso, shoulder, arm in that order.
To build consistency, you want to develop a foundation.
The foundation is footwork, and then strokes that begin at your feet and move through your body.
If you allow different muscle groups to share the load of the stroke, you reduce the chance of error, and you gain power at the same time.
Only develop wrist skills when you have the foundation.
ADVICE:
Switch to ALL+ gear: it will help you learn to use your whole body to generate strokes.
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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 7:20am
Wow, he is better than the guy with the alleged 1900 rating. This USATT ratings are foggy mystery to me. I always suspected that utter pragmatism leads to fancy metaphysics. |
Posted By: VanTC
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 7:31am
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thank icontek, to develop a basic is difficult, because in our club there are noone has good technic, other clubs are a bit too far. I just look training vid and try to immitate ( Kong training vid), but in training i just cant see myself, just think "i do may be correct" hu hu...
yes Icontek right, i've tried wristmovement, then complete went to hell... i cant do that way now.
I have a MM and HK, both with Bryce, but with normal glue, i think my combi is about All+ or Off-.
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Posted By: chris.b40
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 8:27am
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something is wrong with the rating system ------------- AVALOX BLUE THUNDER |
Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 5:27pm
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k to everyone...Curly headed guy that wins the match is the one that is 1900. Not me. His name is barnabas and he played in baltimore with ken cameron and merlarimsa from mytt. They will vouch he is 18-1900 and he is only 18. I keep trying to say that I am not rated and I'm not sure why people keep assuming that I'm the 1900 player. Thanks all for the tips. Like I said, I will probably try to get a better video up of me tonight playing a highschool coach/friend of mine. And yes I could score four points on those children but thanks for the confidence boost. :P ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 5:31pm
Nice backhand about 45 seconds in. I want to do mine like that, but barnabas (opponent in video) tells me its always better to pull it from between the legs in the center of your body rather than from your hip (left to right). Not sure why though maybe someone can inform meh. ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: Rogson
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 5:58pm
I don't have that much experience with looping, but I think you could reduce your follow through a little bit, I was taught that it had to end in a salute motion or in your forehead, I see that it goes a little too high and that could reduce your recovery time significantly.....
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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 7:16pm
The curly hair guy is nowhere near 1900. I'd be surprised if he's even 1600. Unless he comes from a state that isn't like California, New York, or Maryland then maybe he can have such an inflated rating. ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: spitfire
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 8:30pm
| Let's not judge other people's rating based on 1 video clip, remember the guy Pushblocker? How many of you guys thought he is only 1600? And he is a solid 2000plus player as we later found out. |
Posted By: spitfire
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 8:39pm
 anyways...
my 2cents
Post more video if you still want (takes courage but oh well), and post some of your good games as well.
Change the topic (or change your first post) to something like me versus a 1900 rated player so give nobody any excuse to misunderstand.
Is it me or you are having trouble reading his spin? (espically his serve)
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Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 11:45pm
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m.k guys its not like I'm a compulsive liar. His actual rating is b/t 18-1900. And we are both from Alabama. He went to baltimore with melarimsa and ken cameron from mytt. Like I already said. Hopefully the new vids will be up within the hour...I haven't even watched them yet though, and I'm not sure if they are great since they are just fun rallies not any games. God...are you there? Why are there haters on mytt? Its just a fun filled forum. Anyways vids will be up shortly. And to the guy asking about my shoe...Thats kind of important to me. I have never had a shoe come off and those are the energy 3's that I got for Christmas...I'm not sure why it came off because I have them really tight. I think it has something to do with the shoes not having a tongue.
------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 11:51pm
Well I like to have a gameplan no matter what his serve is because I know his main weaknesses b/c I have played him so many times. This tournament is for fun, not for trying to beat everyone to death. Barnabas is my friend, and I talk to him a lot in the match which distracts me from focusing on how many points I'm down and everything of importance in the match. I never even got a foothold in this match and could never get warmed up. He got a warm up b/c he played a good local first round, I however played a little kid...so to say the least, I wasn't ready. But to answer the question, his serves are better than par and I do have a little trouble reading them...but the one that I chopped at, was just a lack of confidence in looping since I hadn't hit a loop all night. His bottom spins are more bottom than side, and normally he puts more side...thats why I didn't get under those serves enough and hit them into the net. I did read one of them right and pushed it to his forehand and got lucky he didn't smash it. ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: spitfire
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 2:29am
| I see, i guess you were beaten by a better player in a match where your shots just don't seems to fall....Well this is exactly the kind of match that make people a lot worse than they really are. If you have any other clips where you played somebody your level and you played decent, it would definitly give others a better idea of your true weakness. Everybody looks bad when playing someone a level above. |
Posted By: spitfire
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 2:32am
 Relax man, nobody is calling you a liar or anything close to that. If this is your first video post on this forum, remember that there will always be somebody jump out and grill you no matter what level you play at and who you played.  It sucks but hey, this is the internet. Since you didn't do well in the video, i would suggest another video where you played your equivalent.  Keep up the good work. |
Posted By: Swiff
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 4:17am
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As for the whole 1300 video that was posted.. I want to throw out there
that looks can be very deceiving when watching and trying to rate
someone. When someone has a "coached" technique, like service and
stroke, they can look very professional and robotic, making them look
higher rated than they are. The stroke alone can sometimes make you
want to bump them up a few hundred points. Just like someone who has
NO stroke technique and plays ugly, can still be better than he/she
looks. Now for the critiquing. Your stroke and footwork need a lot of work. For your stroke, I would trust this video. It's a video I give to people who need to learn stroke. Now of course stroke will change with the situation, the ball your receiving, speed spin etc. But for basic stroke, follow this. http://%20www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqtfLYKOTD4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqtfLYKOTD4 As for you're footwork. First, you need to bend your knees more, it's much easier to see the spin on the ball and it'll lead to more power, better balance, better foot work. Bend your knees. Your receiving stance needs to be a little more to the right (remember, bent knees=lower stance=seeing the spin on the serve). Also, you were pushing almost every serve. If a serve has any topspin at all, I would loop or smash it, not push. This is a very hard part of the game and will take practice. I'm running out of things to critique :) So bottom line. Keep low, knees bent. Work on the stroke and the footwork. Move your receiving stance to the right. And work on hitting different kinds of spin. ------------- 
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 2:24pm
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By no means did I do an exhaustive review of your vid, but here are a few things that jumped out at me: You have a bad habit that I used to have (and still sometimes fall back into). You watch your serves, and subsequently you're not ready when your opponent returns them. For me, I practiced the crap out of my serves so that they're second nature; then, I don't worry about watching to see if they made it over, or if my opponent returned them (always expect the ball to come back). In short, I suggest just serving and immediately get into ready position. Watch your opponent's paddle for better anticipation of the return. I think you missed out on a few third ball attack opportunities.
At 1:20, you did a pendulum serve from your forehand corner. It went into the net, but even if it went over you likely would have lost the point. Again, when I first started I used to do this serve. As my coach inevitably pointed out, it's a "suicide serve" as he used to say. You're opening up your entire backhand side for being attacked, while putting yourself in the most inconvenient position for defending an attack to your backhand side. I hope that makes sense the way I described it. Basically, don't do it.
 Work on reading the spin of your opponent's serves. Many of his serves were too high and could've been easily flicked or even smashed.
You looked a little nervous. It could've been the fact that you knew you were being taped, but I assumed it's because you were slightly "intimidated" (for lack of a better term) by your opponent. Don't be. Table tennis is as mental (probably more) than it is physical. Be confident and take the initiative. Of course, this comes with time and confidence in your technique... and that only comes with practice. So, practice, practice, practice.
 And kudos for posting, especially an unedited loss. It takes courage and humility.
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Posted By: Krantz
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 3:23pm
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I am little worried about how you play with your racket all the time; proper, consistent grip is absolutely crucial if you think of any improvement in your game. Are you sure that you hold your racket exactly the same in each type of stroke? - at least in each backhand and forehand respectively? (I recommend one grip for both sizes' strokes personally).
Your opponent looked just too fast for you atm - you have to be able to quickly execute full movement strokes from Swiff video above to beat him... |
Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 01/25/2010 at 1:32am
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thanks all for the more positive results. I have a few videos from my friend (a rec sports coach) and I but they are a tad boring ... I don't have a very good sense for video-ing so I just have the camera in a bad spot and You can't see either of us very well and he is a blocker and I am a looper so the whole time, I am just looping until it goes off the table...the camera ran out of memory before we got to play a game, but I will try to get at least one of the shorter vids up then a couple of my girlfriend and I, as she is looking for help improving as well. thnx again. ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/13/2010 at 12:51am
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LOL, wut a joke. i would beat u like a drum probably. please tell me ur anywhere from 1800-2000 so i can take like 40 points from u when ever i meet u. thanks ------------- BG |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/13/2010 at 12:53am
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please tell me wut ur rating is. i live n alabama and just played in the baltimore teams tournament against all 1600,1700, and 1800 players and went up 15 points. Holy crap every ones rating must b inflated. do sum actual research and stop trolling. ------------- BG |
Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 03/13/2010 at 1:16am
I disagree. Using a pendulum serve from the forehand side can be beneficial in setting up a backhand loop. Although i don't generally serve it from the forehand side, i definitely do it from just right of the middle of the table for this variation. Depending on which variation i serve because of the angle change they sometimes push their receive to the left of the table or push it right into the slot of my backhand loop. I wouldn't recommend doing this all the time though =] ------------- Timo Boll Spirit FL Dr Evil ox both sides. |
Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 03/13/2010 at 1:27am
I really hope this is a troll but i'm going to take the bait anyway. You think you're some hotshot kid with a average rating and you come here to sh*t talk players that are just voicing their opinions? My mind is blow on how such a mediocre player can be so cocky and conceited. Seriously buddy, stop being an assumptive little keyboard hero and grow up. ------------- Timo Boll Spirit FL Dr Evil ox both sides. |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 03/13/2010 at 1:47am
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@fruit: you should have seen his serves back then lol! he would do like 15 stomps with both feet like he was running in place and then serve a soso underspin/sidespin ball...
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Posted By: Takadigi
Date Posted: 03/13/2010 at 12:45pm
That might be the case with lower rated opponents. But against any higher rated player (starting from say, about 1600), a pendulum serve from your forehand to their forehand would inevitable be strongly attached, particularly if they are right handed. And they would likely get it right for over 90% of the time as they would be really using your spin to make the shot. |
Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 03/13/2010 at 2:03pm
Of course the serve would be short and most often chop/sidespin mix. if i serve plain side or top i would be expecting a flick. This works against players of around 2000 usatt level as well. ------------- Timo Boll Spirit FL Dr Evil ox both sides. |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/13/2010 at 5:12pm
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No Troll here, same goes for you. i will beat you also if you are 1800-2000. Keyboard hero, lmao. thats all these forums are. a bunch of guys who have dedicated there lives to something there not even good at. all these guys have been playing like 20 years and are like 1900. that is funny. i have been playing only a lil over 2 years. please do feel free to look me up on usatt. Barnabas Gonzalez. also let me know your name so i can check you out. ------------- BG |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 03/13/2010 at 5:29pm
You may or may not be "good", but that doesn't dismiss the fact that you're a troll. Did you start an account just to try to belittle people? What a douche. I sure am glad you joined the forum, and may I say, feel free to leave at any time and not return... ever. XOXO ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 03/13/2010 at 5:46pm
You're not a troll, but a douchebag! And you left your name here to make sure the small TT community know that. Way to go smart ass!
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Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 03/13/2010 at 7:29pm
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sorry guys...but it would hurt my feelings to if my rating was upper 1800s and peope were comparing me to 12 year olds that are a little over 1300..thats kind of belittling as well correct? Barnabas is a good guy...maybe a little cocky, but he is a great table tennis player...I introduced him to this forum...just give him some time to adapt...We all know that we have been smart a$$es on the forum before. ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: tdragon
Date Posted: 03/13/2010 at 8:18pm
By the way, if you just come to the forum to show off your smart a$$, then you are not welcomed in here.
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Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 03/14/2010 at 8:42am
I live in australia so i don't have a usatt rating. Feel free to check out my videos with boz. I've been playing for around 2 years also. You're a troll and a mediocre table tennis player with an ego. gtfo the forums plz. ------------- Timo Boll Spirit FL Dr Evil ox both sides. |
Posted By: ladiesman69
Date Posted: 03/14/2010 at 8:58am
Mr. Gonzalez, when you are finished cleaning my club's floors maybe we can organise to have a hit? I'd like to see what you've got. ------------- Blade: Custom Butterfly Diode FH: Red 1.9mm Tenergy 64 BH: Black 1.0mm CURL TSP P1-R AKA. The Great Australian Rabbit Fence |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/14/2010 at 7:20pm
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I prolly wont ever b n Cali, but i will b n the Teams tourny n Baltimore. cya there if u wanna play. ------------- BG |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/14/2010 at 7:22pm
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please send me sum links to ur vids. i dnt have time to waste looking up vids of sum1 i dnt know and dnt care to watch. i will watch them if u send them to me then i can talk trash about how bad u r cuz thats all u do anyway. TROLL!!!! ------------- BG |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/14/2010 at 7:25pm
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Just tell me where u live and dnt expect me to clean any floors 4 u unless u r that great. ------------- BG |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/14/2010 at 7:26pm
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send me links to ur vids. ------------- BG |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 03/14/2010 at 7:58pm
the trouble is the attitude thing, so don't worry too much its mainly young men with egos. keep improving and take the time to get involved in this forum and just look for the positives and enjoy but don't be put down if advice comes your way ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 03/14/2010 at 8:33pm
Just woke up. Knock yourself out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wZATDwlk3I I don't really care for your comments, just posting because you called me out. It's an old video(comparatively to the time i've been playing) and I've most likely finished the issues you've come up with. ------------- Timo Boll Spirit FL Dr Evil ox both sides. |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/14/2010 at 11:33pm
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I really appreciat you understang. i'm not even sure how to add friends on here but i would like to add you so can you send me a request. Thank you so much! ------------- BG |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/14/2010 at 11:39pm
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Dnt wry i wont sink to your lvl and just make fun of you. i already saw this vid b4. yes you have problems just like any1 else that has only played for 2 years. your forehand stroke is huge and u force ur back hand alot. also you dnt attack long serves on your forehand though you do with your backhand. if u have fixed these problems then i guess you should b good to go. please post a newer 1 if u have a chance i would luv to watch it. ------------- BG |
Posted By: tdragon
Date Posted: 03/14/2010 at 11:40pm
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Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 12:01am
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that was cool tdragon...anyways its not like facebook barnabas...you don't add anyone...you just comment on topics that you think are interesting, and conversations get started...(as well as arguments). Its how i learn about products soon to come out and tournaments near by and stuff...You'll like it as soon as you stop harrassing ppl :P ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 1:04am
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there r plenty of ppl better then me, ur just not 1 of them! ------------- BG |
Posted By: mjamja
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 1:45am
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I looked up Mr. Gonzalez rating history on the USATT website. There is a Barnabas Gonzalez from Alabama with a 2yr playing history. Around 1070 to 1841 in one year and 2 months is really impressive. He then maintained rating in the 1800 to 1850 range for next 9 months. No rating data for 2010 yet.
I really wonder why posted video's seem to make people look lower rated than they are. Do we tend to remember the really good shots and forget the bad ones of the people we play with often so that our internal reference for what a 1600 player looks like is really more like an 1800 one. In looking at this video I would not have thought Mr. Gonzales was 1800 level. I am rated around 1500 and when I look at my videos I tend to think it looks more like a 1300 player. There could also be a some affect from low FPS rates making the movement look more jerky and less coordinated than we see in person.
Has anyone seen any video that makes a person look 200+ points higher rated than they actually are?
Mark
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Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 1:51am
Yes, Anthony Chu, posted earlier in this thread. |
Posted By: mjamja
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 2:30am
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Chu came into that tournament rated 1289. USATT ratings page has him at 1324 now. So +200 points would be 1500 level. I have to agree that you could take him for 1500 based on that video. Pivot step to hit the forehand loop off her underspin serve to his backhand was impressive whether or not he actually made the shot.
His game reminds me a lot of mine. Looks really great as long as that first big shot does not come back :)
Mark
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Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 2:38am
Thank you so much 4 looking that up. i havnt played n a tourny once this year and now i'm super hungry 4 one. i'm playing in the Cary Cup and another tourny n Alabama the week after. hopefully i will go up, but we will see  ------------- BG |
Posted By: tdragon
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 4:11am
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Who cares about your rating? None even criticized your style, but you come in here keep talking like $h!t. Well! good player would help others. Grow up man. Come to California then you will learn your lesson. You rating is overrated on your state since no good people around to teach you a lesson.
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 5:23am
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Keep baiting him Dragon, you might get him to bite and have a ball when he shows up. He would enjoy the Baltimore/DC area as well, lots of joker a awitin' over there as well. On of my friends came down to Texas and didn't quite make the level he expected, (No sleep probably didn't help!) but when he went back to home ground, he shot up to the rating he expected. certain hotspots in USA are harder to get ratings points than others for sure. CA, TX, and MD are a few. We wouldn't be able to have this kind of talk and fun without the TT forums. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 9:33pm
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I agree with you. also i just played n the teams tourny n Baltimore, went up 15 points so i was happy. not really sure who the dragon guy is but i beat a couple of guys from Ca. if that means anything. they were like 1600 sumthing and 1800 sumthing.
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Posted By: ladiesman69
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 9:34pm
For Barnabas has seen the light!See my signature? That's right buddy, it's me: Rabbit Fence 2lgt2quit. Get your mop and bucket Mr. Gonzales, my show court needs to be clean by tomorrow evening. ------------- Blade: Custom Butterfly Diode FH: Red 1.9mm Tenergy 64 BH: Black 1.0mm CURL TSP P1-R AKA. The Great Australian Rabbit Fence |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 11:10pm
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1st u spelled my name wrong, 2nd u rnt even good enough to meet me so dnt talk to me about cleaning ur worthless floors. all u do is talk trash about a place that prolly doesnt even exist. "my courts" LMAO, u mean ur basement with ur cardboard table. tell me your actual name or post a vid then i can actually see how good you r unless you r scared. ------------- BG |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 11:13pm
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played in the teams tourny and beat sum ppl from cali, talk trash to sum1 who cares. i dnt need a coach to beat you. ------------- BG |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 11:37pm
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Barnabas; First off, I will concede that you are a far better player than I will likely ever be; at my advanced age and with my limited opportunity for coaching and play time.
But I would remind you that internet forums are not AOL instant messenger nor are they text messages (it's not an immdiate dialogue and there is no character limit). You will likely find that the abbreviations and shortcuts that helped save time in the former mediums will cost you both credibility and comprehension when discussing topics on a message board frequented by folks accross the globe (many of whom speak english as a second language).
So I ask for all of our sakes, that you take the time to use grammar and punctuation fits the medium you are using. I'm not asking for essays with perfect spelling, but the use of shorthand in a forum is unnecessary. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 11:52pm
I was going to say that. Thanks! Probably thinks he's cooler than all of us... 
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Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 1:53am
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LOL, no I was just in a hurry like he said. can i use LOL or is that also illegal? just kidding anywho i dnt think i'm better then alot of ppl but i do hate it when people love to talk trash about someone they just met. I usually get carried away and start talking alot of trash sorry to thoughs i offended and to those who want to play me post a vid or a name or tell me where you live or sumting. thanks ------------- BG |
Posted By: ttguy
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 2:32am
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Not sure what you are bragging about. Your video clearly show your laughable skills. I guess that you used to beat the same low rank player to build up your ranking. LOL.
By the way, youtube has all the video of 2000 rank player. If you don't know how to search, then let me know so I could show you some.
You've better learned how to shut up
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Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 2:36am
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...i wouldn't take that too hard from ttguy...lol .07 posts a day...He just shows up to tell you that you're laughable then runs? ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 2:59am
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LOL you are a real joke. Please tell me how i can get my lvl up just by beating lower level players. do you even play table tennis. you are making yourself sound stupid. Thanks for making me feel smart! ------------- BG |
Posted By: melarimsa
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 3:18am
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I will beat Barnabas in my dream, with one eye and one hand, with spoon :) What is up boy ? Cat got your tongue ? Ha ha ha ... How is everything man ? ------------- http://www.youtube.com/100NiTenis" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/100NiTenis |
Posted By: BarnabasG
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 3:38am
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Dude, i'm doing great. how are you? ------------- BG |
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 4:12am
You are what you practice. If you do 20,000 texts a day, then that kind of pseudo-English is going to permeate the rest of your writing, then your speach, and eventually your thinking. Imagine if all your thoughts were limited to 140 characters.
It is one of the frustrating aspects of MTT that people have really different ideas of what makes participation worthwhile. I'm an adult, so I'm interested in thoughts, dialog, reasoned opinions and careful observations. Many of the kids are mostly interested trash-talking, bravado, and loud proclamations. I understand that that's just the way they are for that age, but at times I wish someone would invent a special forum "for those who have trouble connecting their brains with their mouths."
By the way, I agree with those who said that the original video for this thread didn't show either player in their best light, but I wouldn't try to judge either of them from that one video. It's too short, there wasn't enough room on the back side, and it didn't show enough variations in the rallies to judge their overall skills. I think the original poster would be better off getting a video with a couple of tournament matches against different opponents and then posting that. And since they're both kids, they'll probably be a lot better than that in six months anyway.
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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 7:45am
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I honestly think the USA would be better off with a ranking list, rather than an all inclusive ratings system. Everyones results stored and processed, and only the top 500 players results published. The points total of each player fluctuating within current activity, any non activity for a given period results in exclusion. It would stop all this rubbish anyway, as everone with half a brain knows only too well, respect as a player in earned over time on the table in competition, not because you are a '1500' '1900' or '2200' player, in a country the size of the USA most of you have never seen each other let alone played each other. In the English ranking list I have played 115 of the current top 200 players, if I don't play I go off after 6 months, but stay on the computer for two yrs, after that I don't have a rating. Non of this bullsh*t, I'm better than you crap, we have to prove it on the table, and we're only as good as our last win.
on the issue of ratings, there is usually a big difference in standards of a player who is rapidly improving, and a player who has levelled off/stopped improving, even if they have the same rating, because the improving player cannot instantly reflect his improvement in his results, there is always a lag due to the time delay of available events and results being processed. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: bumpernets19
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 9:15am
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good suggestion apw, just wish it would stand...as it does not affect me anyways as I am well out of the top 500...probably top 100,000 ------------- Rating: 1232 Xiom Zetro Quad Hurricane 3 FH Hexer + BH |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 9:28am
In all countries your ratings give you rankings anyway, and the Americans have many under 1500,1300,2000 etc competions rather than calling them A,B,C,D,E,f grades etc and no body wants to be called a F grader etc lol,. In New Zealand we have mainly graded competions and a lot of aged grouped ones as well,
and like Apw said in a smaller sized Country you get to play many of the top players, I would say that I would have played against 25-30 National Champions if not more lol (a national champion could mean the over 40's champ or womens under 21 etc)
but I do get sick of the bragging lol ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 12:30pm
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There are plenty of players in the UK, All towns and cities have leagues, but they are run seperately from national competitions and not part of the ranking/rating scheme, these leagues were among the first formed in the World in the 1920's 1930's and are steeped in tradition. some players play in both 'local' and national competitions, but most only local so they do not have a rating. this means out of the 20,000 or so competitive players, only 1000 have a rating at any one time. NOT always a reflection of standard, some very good players only play locally and are not rated. I think the problem of TT being in isolated pockets is a problem in any country, and its easy for players to suffer from 'Big fish in Little pond' syndrome. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 12:51pm
People would still know their rating, right? I mean they are calculated so that the federation can compile the 500 list - so why not make them all public? I am not saying I like this rating worship thing that goes on in some (especially young) minds. But people who like to watch the ratings will watch something even if the ratings are not public. It's just your basic immaturity... also ratings can be a useful tool in measuring one's progress - especially for amateurs. The top 20 probably are not interested in ratings - first, they played this for so long they don't care anymore, secondly they all know who plays what level so it doesn't really matter for them if someone among them drops 50 points or gains 30... ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 1:07pm
Players are free to play in as many local leagues as they wish, I play in two, some play every night of the week, but non of the results go towards the national Rankings.
The events that are part of the ranking scheme take place at weekends all over the country at central venues.
The 'kudos' players are looking for locally is their place in the averages that are compiled for each town, and the standard varies massively, so the best player in one town may only be average in another. In gereral it is the best players in each town who are the more serious players who train properly and compete in national competitions. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 1:15pm
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I meant of course the national ratings. Despite the fact that only 500 players are published, all the ratings must be calculated. Are they made public? ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 1:24pm
all the players who have played in the last 6 months are published, for every month of inactivity a player gets a star, on the 5th star he disappears off the list, but his rating points are stored, losing 25% every 6months until after 2 yrs on 'non play' his rating is void, if he starts again, his rating is re-calculated from his initial results ( the aggregate of 3 wins and 3 losses relating to the players he has beaten /lost to)
http://www.englishtabletennis.org.uk/dyncat.cfm?catid=27044 - http://www.englishtabletennis.org.uk/dyncat.cfm?catid=27044 ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 1:45pm
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I'm not sure I find any of this discussion of the English ranking system any better or worse than the rating system used in America, just different.
In the initial posts, there were two complaints: first, that ratings fluctuate by locale. You will always have a problem with isolation and pockets that are stronger or weaker than elsewhere. Whatever your rating system, it's not going to impact geographic variations.
The second complaint was that people fixate too much on ratings, or read too much into minor differences, particularly among lower level players. There's actually been a lot of discussion on this same point on the about.com forums, as some people (particularly Sean O'Neill) are concerned that juniors are manipulating their playing schedules just to protect their ratings, rather than working on improving their level. This entire subject is actually pretty complicated. People like to have some idea how they compare to others, or how they have improved/declined over time, so I think most people would be reluctant to give up ratings. There are some who read too much into ratings, but that's just human nature. I was in an online argument once with a guy about a subject that had nothing to do with playing table tennis and he announced I must that I must surely be a 1300 player because only someone that incompetent could disagree with him. Just thinking about his claim makes me smile because it's such a bizarre interpetation of the significance of ratings.
In chess, virtually all players world wide have ratings and while they still have some problems, over all the system works pretty well. I don't the problem in American table tennis is that we have ratings, it's just that some of us are idiots no matter what.
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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 2:05pm
There's some truth in all of that.
If the US dropped the USATT ratings system and instead adopted the nore accurate and less forgiving system of Ratings Central (which is inherently more like ELO chess ratings, IIRC), I truly believe we would all be better off. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 2:20pm
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The Ratings Central system is mathematically superior to the system used at USATT, but we'd still have the same problems about people obsessing on ratings, manipulating the system, geographic variations, etc. Of course, all this discussion is theoretical. It is hard for me to imagine that USATT will make any changes in their rating system.
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Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 3:07pm
Imho USATT rating system suffers from being excessively sensitive to a player's match-to-match performance... That said, I feel the main problem of US players not really wanting to risk his/her rating is the lack of fun/interesting tournaments. In my area (SoCal) there are always plenty of USATT sanctioned tourneys, but participation is still limited to the usual number of players, no matter what amount of prize money we offer. In contrast, our weekly round robins have been hugely popular with tournament and non-tournament players alike. The main difference is the fun factor: Each participant at our weekly round robins is usually seeded into an initial group of 8 to 10 players, with up to four players advancing to single elimination playoffs thereafter. So for just one entry fee, everybody plays until no one can move anymore... All these action in less than five hours in one single day for eight bucks...  In comparison, here's what happens at a typical USATT sanctioned tourney here in LA area: -Enter three to four events for $75 to $125 many days in advance. -Show up early. -Fight for an empty table to warm-up, while looking for a worthwhile partner to do so at the same time. -Play in a "round-robin" of 3 (4 if you are lucky) for your first event. You could not beat the top seed in your group so you are out. -Wait for another event that will start in two hours. -Play in another mini round robin with stiff arm and cold legs. -Beat the two poor souls in your group easily since you are the top seed. -Wait for another hour for your next round. -Beat your opponent in the quarters, so now you wait for the semis. -45 minutes later your name is called... Now you must play on the corner table because all "best" tables are taken by Open round robin groups. -You could not see the ball well so you lose a deuce-in-the-fifth nailbiter. -Repeat next day. -You get home by 8:30pm on Sunday and your wife is not all that happy that you just spent two days chasing little orange balls instead of with her and junior... |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 3:12pm
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Its just that in every single conversation involving American players/members the first thing asked is 'what is your rating' or 'Im not rated but everyone tells me I would be 1600' its as if the ratings have replaced reality. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 3:29pm
Kids are under rated in general because all children start off rated like 100 and adults around 1000 and kids play mainly against other kids so they stay very lowly rated sometimes. So those kids might be much higher than their ratings. Also though, children aren't putting near the amount of speed or spin of an adult opponent, they can't go far from the table to counter loop and their reach is limited. So while their form near the table may look very nice and pretty, they are very one dimensional. They do a couple things very nicely, but ultimately, an untrained adult player would have faster, spinier loops than trained children. Their little counter hit style isn't effective against adults. Form isn't everything, there are 2200 level players who have what looks like horrible form and unorthodox playing styles and terrible footwork and there are 1300 rated players who look like Wang Liqin out there but can't land their shots and have a poor all around game. |
Posted By: figgie
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 3:45pm
I am going to disagree.
mathematically it is DIFFERENT.
What I can tell you is that RC is deflationary over time. In the end, the state of Minnesota uses it for establishing seed and nothing more
If you look at RC, we are all a bunch of 1800 players. with a couple of 2000 level players. Ming is 2300. Thor is around high 2200. Mitch is mid 2200. Lots of mid 2000 players etc. Ofouse RC does not show that ;)
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