6-10 down in the 5th?
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Topic: 6-10 down in the 5th?
Posted By: APW46
Subject: 6-10 down in the 5th?
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 5:48pm
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what are your tactics? ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 5:51pm
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Same as always . . . one point at a time. If you think of the score AT ANY TIME you will either ease-up or press. Ball by Ball, which leads to point by point.
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Posted By: chris.b40
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 5:52pm
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Pack your mental bags baby...you are going home ------------- AVALOX BLUE THUNDER |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 6:07pm
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Its a really good one this, If you win you were right, if you lose you were not, but there is a formula you can work to that increases you chances. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 6:18pm
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must play relaxed, one point at a time. it can happen. FIGHT! -------------  Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 6:29pm
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Serve hard and short, push even harder.
Outside of that, totally depends on the player I'm facing, no one tactic or strategy can beat everyone. |
Posted By: chu_bun
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 6:50pm
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Luck is what you need not tactics. Think about it, how do you end up in the situation? Either your opponent got some lucky points or he is a better player. Either way you cannot beat him without luck on your side. So start praying :) ------------- Clipper Wood, Sanwei Gears FH, Sanwei T88-I BH. |
Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 6:55pm
Well you pray for providence, not luck... but you can improve your play and become the better player with better tactics. |
chu_bun wrote:Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 7:13pm
I've been in a similar situation, I was down 4-9 in the fifth. Since my game clearly wasn't working, I knew I had to do something, and since I'm usually a defender, I changed my game and started to attack, which actually helped me to turn the game around and I won it 11-9. How ever, going one point at the time is always good advice. The hardest part, according to me, is if you reach 10-10, cause then I feel like mission is completed and relax. I've lost numerous of those, so always keep your eyes on the prize. I watched Chen Weixing fight back from 2-10 to win 12-10, against Wang Liqin and I always reminds my self of that when I'm trailing, cause if Chen could turn it around against Wang, then I know that everything is possible! ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 7:40pm
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Posted By: bull_harrier
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 7:47pm
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I think this is a good time to take a chance, the person up 10-6 is more than likely going to play more conservative and passive, so this would be a good time to put the pressure on him/her. I think the pressure is higher on the person up 10-6 to finish the match so I say use that against the opponent. Also staying mentally tough doesn't hurt.
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Posted By: addoydude
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 8:13pm
| start lobbing to entertain the audience |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 8:21pm
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Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 8:25pm
Like I said above, I don't think you can have just one set strategy of attack against all opponents. I imagine it would change depending on what worked in the previous 4 games and what they seem to have problems with. |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 8:27pm
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you take it 1 point at a time and to relax you need to think about those sid theories to make you smile =)
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Posted By: Heimdallalso
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 9:10pm
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Cho loudly staring him down every opportunity you get? (not really, just felt like saying it) tac�tic�noun 1. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=tactics&db=luna - tactics (def. 1). 2. a
system or a detail of tactics. 3. a plan, procedure, or
expedient for promoting a desired end or result. ------------- NEXY Lissom st 85g fh/ Andro Impuls Speed max bh/ Palio Flying Dragon 1.8 |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 9:26pm
 ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: jpingchow123
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 10:48pm
Start aiming for the edge or net and pray you can pull off a lucky point  ------------- Amultart CS Bryce Speed 2.1 Tackifire Special Soft 2.1 YEO Bryce Speed 2.1 Tackifire Special Soft 2.1 |
Posted By: Heimdallalso
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 11:08pm
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timeout... if you have one?
------------- NEXY Lissom st 85g fh/ Andro Impuls Speed max bh/ Palio Flying Dragon 1.8 |
Posted By: Heimdallalso
Date Posted: 02/19/2010 at 11:11pm
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tell him "I prefer the whore that is your sister,"??? Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-476561/Marco-Materazzi-reveals-inflammatory-insult-Zidane-World-Cup-final.html#ixzz0g2uk9FRm - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-476561/Marco-Materazzi-reveals-inflammatory-insult-Zidane-World-Cup-final.html#ixzz0g2uk9FRm ------------- NEXY Lissom st 85g fh/ Andro Impuls Speed max bh/ Palio Flying Dragon 1.8 |
Posted By: chu_bun
Date Posted: 02/20/2010 at 12:50am
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I was half-joking when I said "start praying". But seriously, unless you are a much better player, you need major luck to come back from 6-10 (or your opponent chokes big time. Something that's also not in your control). I have not come back from 6-10 against a decent player in TT yet. But I came back from 1-6 and 2-6 in the last set tie-breaker in a tennis match a few times. The thing I remember about these matches is I believed I could win and played hard. ------------- Clipper Wood, Sanwei Gears FH, Sanwei T88-I BH. |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 02/20/2010 at 3:27am
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Your opponent choking can be within your control if you can start him thinking that he is going to choke. I tend to play the ball down the middle of the table with extra spin and make him decide whether he wants to try and make something happen. If he misses one or two then you are back in it. If he plays too passively then you can get yourself back into it. I beat the same player twice last season from behind. The first time, I was 10-3 down in the fifth and the second time I was 2-1 and 10-2 down. You just have to put that doubt in their mind.------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 02/20/2010 at 5:37am
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I'm with JKC, if you are 6-10 down and make it to 8-10, a realistic target, you can heap pressure on the opponent by putting doubt in his mind, luck can play a part, but you could be also unlucky. To take the situation of 6-10 and look at it as a whole is too daunting, play each point and re-evaluate after each one, all this only applies is you are 'in the game' but you should be if you have gone to five anyway. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 02/20/2010 at 5:49am
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In my opinion have to play point by point but the more agressive and difficult way to the adversary. That is assuming more risk. Trying to avoid rally playing. Putting pressure by feeling your adversary your game and confidence have changed and have raised. That he can lose the match even being 6 - 10. It was interesting the way xu xin wins the match against mizutani in the asian finals after mizutani awsome playing. he raised his agression taking more risk but a more determined way. fearless.
------------- EJ Club. MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh);  InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.
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Posted By: Freddddd
Date Posted: 02/20/2010 at 6:57am
+1 |
Posted By: pongp
Date Posted: 02/20/2010 at 11:23am
If there is an audience...
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Posted By: LobbedYoud0wn
Date Posted: 02/20/2010 at 12:49pm
am i the only one here who needs good tactics to win when UP 10-6 in the 5th? 
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Posted By: ttCrawsaive
Date Posted: 02/25/2010 at 3:32pm
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I always use the same tactic if I'm 10-9 down in the fifth:
If its your serve: Long fast out spin serve with topspin, normally you get high ball back, because your opponent doesn't wanna take a risc. He'll normally try to push it, than it's yours, don't think, and just give a fast spin to the backhand.
It's my tactic, always, and I've always won the point at that moment :) ------------- http://www.youtube.com/user/ttCrawsaive |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 02/25/2010 at 4:05pm
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Happened to me quite a few times recently. And I think it pays to play at least as aggressively as you played before that. Don't let this nervous situation to make you tight and rigid, or become passive. That's the sure way to lose. Just some examples from the last 2-3 weeks. 1) was losing 0-2 in the finals of U-2000 of the official tournament. Figured out the right strategy, came back 2-2. In the fifth my opponent also realized how to handle my new game, and started beating me. He led 9-5 when I realized in turn there was not much for me to lose, so I upped my game and won 5 in a row and had a match point (championship point, so to speak). I still lost but I am proud to have played aggressively and not getting scared. 2) was losing 10-6 in the fifth to a very good player in the club. Then won two by attacking almost immediately and not allowing him to use his screwy medium pips. Then served fast into his pips so that gave me an opening to attack and won both serves. Then won 13-11. 3) was losing 10-3 (not in the fifth, though) in a club game. Then I completely relaxed and started attacking with lots of spin (which my opponent doesn't like) instead of usual back-and-forth pushing that we had with the guy previously. Won the game. So, to recap - becoming passive and/or rigid with fear to lose the final point is a mistake. It takes some time to overcome that natural (but erroneous) inclination to play safely. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 02/25/2010 at 4:14pm
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right strategy Jim. ------------- EJ Club. MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.
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Posted By: Rack
Date Posted: 02/25/2010 at 6:40pm
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When you're down, you should play more aggressive according to LGL. ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin YEO (1st) , Yasaka Extra CPEN (2nd) FH - H3 NEO Pro 2.15 40H BH - Tenergy 64 2.1 |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 02/26/2010 at 11:00am
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I like JKC's answer. Think that the pressure is on him to close out the match. In tennis, you always hear the analysts talking about "making him serve it out." Maybe he'll feel the pressure.
In general though, if he's been winning by attacking you want to try to take the initiative away from him. If he's been forcing you into mistakes you want to try to keep it steady and make him take the risk.
Also, if you decide the opponent feels pressure you want to make him hit a winner. If he's relaxed and he's been hitting his shots, better to take the initiative.
All easier said than done of course. But this is what I've compiled from my reading, esp brad gilbert's book winning ugly. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: Reinecke
Date Posted: 02/27/2010 at 1:30am
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ooze confidence, but don't get stupid. You need to figure out what works for you to help you get that confidence, but with that confidence comes focus. I can get myself into "the zone" in these situations and succeed in making the comeback quite often.
If you are more confident than him, (and relatively close in rating) you should have a high chance of winning. To better your chances, let him know you are more confident. Flash a quick smile (don't be ridiculous though, think closer to  than  ) which I have found helps. Use serves you are comfortable with, whatever they may be.
Of course working yourself up into this "zone" increases your chances greatly, but it also make losing suck a lot more when you know you got so close. ------------- Mizutani Jun ST Tenergy 64 Tenergy 64 
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Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 02/27/2010 at 8:51am
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In general, I agree with the advice to just play it one point at a time and not worry about the score. But being a bit more specific, I would say serve very spinny, very short and then tactics come into play. If he is a looper then play the short game, push, push, push, push...until he tires of it and tries to loop a short low one. I also agree that he will want to get the point faster than you and close out the game. You can use that to your advantage by putting the pressure on him and making it difficult for him to get that fast point. He will go for the point and try to get it it on a less than ideal ball. And now going back to the first para, play it point by point, if the ball is high and can be killed, do not be defensive, kill it. If it is low and short, don't get nervous and try to get a quick point if he is out of position, play the ball on merit. It is also a good idea to have a couple of secret odd-ball serves for situations like these to get a couple of quick surprise points. Never hurts. This has worked for me many times. ------------- Darker Speed 90 10mm: Dawei IQUL Ahinoki Lutz Spruce Jpen: 729 SuperFX Member: 1-ply Hinoki Club Violin/Acoustic Clan The speed of a Rhino and the power of a Gazelle! |