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Topic: National Coach Wu Jingping on Chinese FH.
Posted By: PP Dui
Subject: National Coach Wu Jingping on Chinese FH.
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 3:11pm
Here is National Coach Wu JP (Hao and Lin's Coach) on Chinese FH.
It is in Chinese.  (It is invited article by Pingpang World).
We thank Totoro for the nice translation into English.
 

吴敬平教练谈正手拉球的基本要点

教练, 吴敬平, 正手, 要点, 拉球

《乒乓世界》编辑部给我转来一些读者来信和网上很多直板反胶打法球迷的提问,他们主要是想了解直板反胶正手拉球的基本原理和训练方法,特别是很想学习马林的正手爆冲。很多球迷对正手拉球进行了技术探讨,发表了各自的见解,并且提出了很多问题,有些问题提得十分专业。我看了以后十分感动,对此,我觉得自己有义务把这些年在训练马林和王皓过程中的一些体会和球迷朋友们进行交流。由于我们训练的角度不同,对正手拉球的理解也不一定相同,训练的方法手段也不可能一样。因此,我只能从我的角度把我训练的体会和朋友们交流,仅供参考。

     乒乓球基本上是一项圆周运动,正手和反手拉球都是以运动员的身体重心为轴心、以身体到身体重心的连线为半径进行圆周运动。因此,不管是正手还是反手击球都必须符合这个原理,从这个意义上讲,正手拉球动作的基本原理就是一种力的传递。

    吴敬平教练文章——正手拉球的基本要点(一)

    基本站位: 两腿张开与肩的宽度为差不多相同,身体稍微前倾,重心在前脚掌上,拉球时,身体向右转(以右手为例),重心放在右脚上,在转腰的过程中,用腰控制大臂,右肩稍底,小臂自然下垂,用手腕控制板型,板型前倾(拇指用力压住球板,食指稍微放松,中指顶住球板),板型前倾的角度因来球的旋转不同而调整。击球原理: 击球的时候,以右手为例,首先是腿上发力,向左蹬腿,身体重心从右脚向左脚转换,交换重心,身体前迎,身体前迎的方向要和击球的方向一致。然后是腰上发力,用腰带动大臂转动,把力传递到前臂,在击球一瞬间,收缩前臂用力击球。从力学的原理讲,正手拉球前,小臂和大臂之间的角度越小越好,这是加大半径,半径越大,初速度就越大,在击球瞬间突然收缩前臂,使半径变小而获得加速度,使速度加快,力量加大。击球时,小臂和大臂之间角度的变化要根据来球和击球的需要进行变化。很多运动员在进行正手拉球时往往只注意了收前臂而忽略了转腰,用腰来控制手臂的发力,或者是注意了用腰的发力来带动手臂而忽略了收前臂,前臂和大臂之间的角度几乎没有变化或变化很小。 总结起来正手拉球应注意四点: 1、必须注意重心的交换,重心迎前的方向要和击球的方向一致。 2、一定要用腰控制大臂,是腰上发力,而不是用手臂发力,注意拉球时腿、腰、大臂、前臂、手腕发力的协调。 3、击球瞬间必须快速收缩前臂、手腕发力,前臂收缩的速度越快,发出的力量就越大。 4、击球点必须保持在身体的右前方,击球点离身体越近,越容易控制球。有一点值得注意的是不管是什么样的拉球动作,必须和你自身具备的身体条件相符合,只要不影响动作的发力就可以,没有什么固定的动作模式。另外就是在击球前,球板和球之间要有一定的距离,尽量主动去击球,而不要让球来撞你的球拍,或者是球与球拍之间的距离太小,容易被来球顶住,影响你的发力。

     吴敬平教练文章——正手拉球的结构、方法与技巧(二)

    正手拉球的结构变化: 对于我国大多数业余乒乓球爱好者来讲,直板居多,随着乒乓球技术的不断发展,打直板反胶的人也越来越多。由于我国的直板反胶打法都是从直板正胶演变过来的,在训练的方法上和打球的意识上都是按照直板正胶的路子和意识进行的。 因此,在动作的结构上是以近台为主,动作小,击球速度快,摆速快为指导思想。在正手进攻的训练方法上也很少进行大力量的拉球训练,更多地是强调动作之间的连续性。对于很多曾经经过业余体校训练的球迷来讲,要想对正手拉球动作进行改变就更不容易。这是影响我国直板反胶运动员正手拉球力量不大的主要原因。 在近几年我对直板反胶打法运动员的训练中逐渐认识到了这个问题,因此,在马林和王皓的训练中,改变了以前的训练方法,特别强调了正手大力量拉弧圈球的训练,把这个问题摆在了直板反胶打法训练的首要位置来进行解决。把训练正手拉球的意识从动作小、速度快、连续性好改变为拉球动作舒展、跑动范围大、力量大,连续性好。强调了在大力量拉球的基础上提高拉球的连续性和杀伤力,在平时步法的训练中要求马林和王皓加大拉球的力量,练好大力拉球后的衔接。在实际的训练中我主要采用了发大力拉冲从中台发出的下旋球半高球,要求马林和王皓尽量用最大的力量击球,主要训练拉球时动作的舒展性,并让他们逐渐习惯发大力拉球,掌握发力的技巧,把腿、腰、大臂、小臂、手腕的发力协调起来,主要强调了腰腿的发力和身体重心的转换。其次是进行了全台发力拉冲上旋球的训练,主要解决发力拉冲后的连续性和步法的移动。通过训练,使马林和王皓的正手拉球力量有了很大的提高。从比赛的效果来看,我认为在这点上是成功的,这也是在直板反胶训练上的一点突破,打破了直板正胶训练模式的旧框框。对于大多数业余爱好者来讲,要想提高正手拉球的杀伤力,就必须对过去打球的意识进行一些改变,尽量进行一些大力量的拉球训练。 正手拉球的方法与技巧: 正手拉球是一门很复杂的技术,有近台拉球、中近台拉球、远台拉球,有拉上旋球、下旋球,有近台快带、反拉弧圈球,拉半出台球等等。不管拉球有多么复杂,但有一点是最重要的基础,就是步法。步法的好坏,直接关系到正手拉球的命中率、力量的大小和拉球时的调节能力。要想练好正手拉球,就必须先练好步法。而在这一点上,是专业运动员和业余运动员最大的区别所在,业余运动员不可能像专业运动员那样进行大量的高强度的步法训练。但有一点是相同的,那就是击球的技巧。只要能够做到因势利导,充分发挥现有的条件,也会收到一定的效果。

    下面,我给大家介绍一些比较实用的训练方法和技巧: 1、拉好定点下旋球: 拉冲下旋球是直板反胶最基础的基本功,在拉下旋球时除了注意前面提到的基本动作要领以外,要特别注意手腕的用力方法。在击球的瞬间是用手腕去摩擦球,击球点在来球的中上部,在用手腕摩擦球时还要根据来球旋转的强弱再加上一定的撞击。就是人们常说的又摩又打。拉冲下旋球旋转弱的来球要连摩擦带撞击,撞击可稍大于摩擦。拉冲下旋球旋转强的来球必须用力摩擦击球,用自己拉球的力量抵消来球的旋转。在击球的瞬间要特别注意击球时一定要把球往前送,不能*力量去硬碰球。这就是我们常说的“吃球”,尽量让球在球板上停留的时间长一些。经常这样训练拉球,你对球的感觉就会越来越好,拉球就会越来越有数,慢慢达到运用自如。训练的方法,在没有多球条件的情况下可采用拉球一方发下旋球到对方的反手位让对方搓长球到侧身位,然后发力拉冲这个球。拉球时一定要注意用全力拉冲,不要考虑下一板球对方是否能够防过来。要的就是让你防不过来。经常这样训练,你的拉球力量一定会提高。在有多球的条件下,可让对方发下旋球到你的侧身位,定点发力拉冲这种球。拉球时要掌握好击球时间,在对方来球跳到最高点或下降前期击球最好。击球时间一定要相对固定,这样容易掌握拉球的命中率,好调节。出界多就向前送一点,下网多就多摩擦一点。在定点拉冲下旋球比较有数的情况下,再把来球的落点扩大到全台的定点拉冲,这样不断加大拉球的难度,拉球的水平就会不断提高。 2、拉好定点上旋球: 拉上旋球和下旋球不同的是,拉上旋球击球点在来球的上部,摩擦球要大于撞击球,击球的瞬间一定要往前送。训练的方法基本和抢拉下旋球一样,只是来球的旋转不一样,是上旋球。在推挡后侧身发力拉冲这板球,或对方变你正手位后发力拉冲,反复练习。有多球训练的条件,可以由对方直接发上旋球到你的正手位和侧身位抢冲,落点可以从定点到不定点,逐步提高击球的难度。 3、练好反拉弧圈球: 反拉弧圈球是一种高级技术,尤其是业余运动员掌握了这项技术就像如鱼得水,你就掌握了比赛的主动权。因为一般的业余运动员在拉弧圈球时拉高吊弧圈球的时候多,你掌握了反拉弧圈球的技术,你就站在了比对方高一挡的层次上。反拉弧圈球的要领,首先要自己发力,尽量少借对方的旋转,用自己拉球的力量去抵消对方来球的旋转。其次是在反拉时摩擦球一定要薄,摩擦球的上部甚至顶部,既要借对方来球的旋转的力,还要自己发力摩擦球。越是自己发力反拉,命中率越高。越是怕对方的旋转去碰球,越是容易吃对方的旋转。训练的方法,对方发下旋球到你的反手位,你搓球到对方侧身位,对方拉高吊弧圈球到你反手位,你侧身反拉,这样反复练习,等基本掌握了反拉弧圈球的规律以后,再把反拉扩大到全台和不定点反拉。 4、近台正手快带弧圈球: 这项技术是防守中很先进的技术,也是很难掌握的技术,是90年代后期才逐渐被采用的技术。在这之前人们在正手位的防守都是平挡,借对方来球的旋转把球挡过去,因而在比赛关键的时刻就很容易因紧张而造成失误,即使不失误,防过去的球也没有威胁,很容易被对方连续进攻。到90年代后期,中国的运动员把反拉的技术运用在近台的防守上,特别是直板反胶打法的运动员运用更多,加快了攻防转换的节奏,收到了很好的效果,马林在这项技术的运用上是非常突出的。这项技术要求运动员的对来球的判断要非常快、准确,手上对球的感觉要求很高,因为有很多球是在失去身体重心或不到位的情况下,完全*运动员手上的功夫去完成技术动作。我想虽然目前在业余运动员中能真正掌握这项技术的不多,但已经具备了一定水平的运动员可以去尝试一下,也许你会有意外的收获。这项技术的技巧主要在于掌握好击球时间和手腕的用力,击球时间尽量在球的起跳前期(上升期),当步法实在到不了位的情况下,还可以在球刚一跳起时就击球。击球时*腰和手腕发力,接触球的顶部。接触球时既要借对方来球旋转的力,同时自己一定要发力去摩擦球,尽量摩擦薄一点,摩擦厚就容易下网,在摩擦球的瞬间一定要把球往前顶。训练方法可采用搓下旋球到对方正手位让对方拉弧圈球到自己的正手位,然后正手近台快带。这样反复练习就会逐渐掌握击球的基本方法,在快带对方从下旋球拉起来的弧圈球比较熟练的情况下,再进行推直线让对方拉弧圈球到自己的正手位快带上旋弧圈球的训练。这样,你就会慢慢掌握在防守中正手近台快带弧圈球的技术。这项技术的关键点是在击球时一定摩擦球要薄,而且自己一定要主动发力去带球。

    吴敬平教练文章——正手拉球的注意事项(三)

正手拉球的注意事项: 业余选手在练习正手拉球时,要注意掌握以下几点: 1、收前臂: 在正手拉球时一定要注意收前臂,大臂和小臂之间的角度一定不能固定,要根据来球来决定摆臂的大小。但要注意一点,收前臂一定要用腰来控制。 2、转腰: 由于乒乓球是圆周运动,击球时用腰来控制手是非常重要的环节,击球时球拍的后引不是用手往后拉手,而是用转腰来完成,用腰固定大臂,转腰的速度要远远快于拉手。就是说,在击球前的摆臂是先转腰而不是先拉手。而我们好多球迷们在打球时都是先拉手,不知道转腰,因而在击球时经常出现身体不协调导致发力不集中或发不出力。 3、击球点: 击球点的最佳位置是在身体的右前方(以右手为例),要保持最佳的击球位置就必须学好步法,保持好身体的重心,重心的高低要根据来球来决定。马林经常使用的侧身倒地爆冲是不得已而为之,对方搓过来的球又低又长,拉完以后不可能再还原,只有搏杀。马林在拉这种球的时候重心低,但是击球点是球的最高点或下降前期。正手位大角度的球击球点要根据自己步法移动的情况来决定击球点的高低。一般情况下是在球的下降中期和后期击球。 4、手腕的运用: 在拉球时,手腕要相对固定,不能晃动太大,击球瞬间用中指顶住球板发力摩擦球。另外手腕还具有击球瞬间的调节功能,比如在拉球时突然感到球的旋转比自己预想的要转时就*手腕来调节击球的力量大小和摩擦球的部位。在不到位和顶住自己的情况下,就要*腰和手腕来调节击球点。特别是在比赛中,很多球都不是很规则,来球的落点也是你最难受的地方,这时候就要*手腕来调节,手腕的调节主要*大拇指和中指用力来完成。其次拉球时板型的控制也要*手腕来完成,有很多的直板运动员正手拉球时吊腕很厉害,这影响发力,一般情况下,手腕和前臂几乎在一条直线上,球板把与手腕之间的角度在45度左右。 5、吃球: 我们看一个运动员拉球的好坏,主要是看他拉球时是否吃球。吃球就是球在球板上的停留时间比较长,而不是球一碰球板就出去了。要做到拉球时吃球,就必须每一板球都主动发力去摩擦球,在平时的训练中尽量少打借力球。拉球吃球的好坏,在平时训练中不是很明显,但在比赛中就有很大的区别。很多球都是在你不到位的情况下要完成拉球的动作,就全*你用手腕主动发力去摩擦球来调节,你习惯了主动发力拉球,就能在比赛中控制拉球时力量和击球部位的调节,拉过去很多高难度的球。 6、抢冲上旋球和下旋球的区别: 动作上没有多大的区别,区别在于抢冲下旋球时击球点在球的中上部,发力的时候根据来球的旋转可带点撞击;抢冲上旋球时击球点在球的顶部,主动发力摩擦球,击球时身体重心也随之向前。特别是在反拉弧圈球时,摩擦薄反而容易过去,摩擦厚或带点撞击就容易失误。 7、微调: 很多球迷朋友提出这个问题,我认为要在比赛中做到这一点是比较难的。这首先取决于你个人本身的球感,就是你手上对球的感觉。其次是在训练中不断地培养你对球的旋转的理解,要清楚地知道你打过去的球是什么样的旋转,对方回过来的球又是什么样的旋转。只有这样,你才会根据来球的不同,在很困难正常击球的情况下,在来球很不规则的情况下,在球落在边边角角很难回击的情况下,通过手上的调节把球回击过去。因此,对于业余球迷朋友们来讲,最主要的是去琢磨球的旋转变化,把这个规律基本掌握住了,你就具备了微调的能力。 正手弧圈球技术是乒乓球技术中最基本也是最重要的技术之一。拉好弧圈球的三个要素就是腿、腰、手;三者要协调一致,才能发挥弧圈球的最大威力。   从弧圈球的风格上来讲,目前主要分为欧洲派和亚洲派。欧洲选手拉弧圈球的时候,撞击的成分比较多,因此球在飞行的过程中速度快,力量大,弧线低;亚洲选手拉弧圈球的时候,摩擦的成分比较多,因此球在弹起后的过程中速度快,旋转强,弧线低。随着弧圈球技术的发展,目前各国选手都在相互学习,相互借鉴,因此并没有十分明显的风格区别,而是根据不同的球运用不同的技术。   弧圈球的基本技术动作并不难,但是要想拉好弧圈球必须要勤学苦练,才能是自己的技术有大幅度的提高。如何掌握基本的弧圈球技术呢?(以右手握拍选手为例)  一、技术动作分解 1. 准备动作: 拉球之前,站位一定要合理。一般来说,站位距球台边缘1.5米左右。左脚前,右脚后,两脚间距略比肩宽,右脚尖于左脚脚窝的位置平齐,以两脚前脚掌内侧着地。两腿弯曲,含胸,重心放低,身体与球台边缘的夹角大概为45度左右。 2. 拉球: 拉上旋球时,右肩略微下沉,同时横向转腰,右臂自然放松,*横向转腰动作完成引拍的过程。此时,以右脚为轴,重心放到右腿上。然后,右腿蹬地,腰部横向回转,并带动右臂,注意此时右臂仍为放松状态。待腰转到基本与球台边缘平行的时候开始收缩前臂,击球。重心由右腿转移到两腿上,两肩持平。击球时,要找好击球时间。击球时间分为上升期和下降期,上升期是指来球即将达到最高点的时候,下降期是指来球从最高点刚刚下落的时候。一般来说,来球位于右腹部前方一尺多的距离时击球感觉最好,可以发出力。击球时,要注意摩擦球,主要向前发力。击球后要注意大臂、小臂立刻放松,还原。此主题相关图片如下: 关于击球部位,对于以拉打为主和摩擦为主是有区别的。 以拉打为主的选手,击球的部位一般为B点或BC点之间。以摩擦为主的选手,击球部位一般为C点。  拉下旋球的动作要领与拉上旋球基本一致。只是拉下旋球时,右肩沉的更低一些,击球的部位一般为B点,且用力的方向向上多一些。 3. 步法   拉球时,要根据来球的位置,时刻跑动来调节击球的最佳位置。跑动时要保证重心尽量平稳,身体不要乱晃。  二、高吊弧圈与前冲弧圈       高吊弧圈一般是针对拉下旋球而言的。高吊弧圈以旋转见长,但是弧线略高,速度较慢。高吊弧圈的击球部位一般为B点,甚至是AB点之间,这要根据来球的旋转而定。拉高吊弧圈,右肩下沉的较低,用力方向向上的比较多,先要制造一个高过球网的弧线,然后用力方向向前,再制造一个向前的弧线。如果一味的向上硬拉,则球很容易出界。前冲弧圈速度快,力量大,但旋转稍逊。拉前冲弧圈,击球部位一般为C点或BC点之间。右肩略微下沉,用力方向向前比较多。若来球的下旋旋转很强,则必须增加转腰的幅度和前臂收缩的速度,以增大对球的摩擦力。  三、台内弧圈球技术       台内弧圈球的技术难度比较大。首先要判断来球的位置和高度,根据来球的高度来决定引拍的高度。拉台内弧圈球,一般引拍的高度较高,往往与台面高度持平,甚至高于台面。击球部位一般为D点。由于摩擦球的部位很薄,因为对于下旋非常强的台内球,处理起来难度很大。而对于不太转的下旋球来说,台内弧圈球给对方造成的威胁还是很大的。拉台内弧圈球,要注意用力方向向上多一些,继而向前,要把弧线拉短。  四、套胶与弧圈球       进口套胶与国产套胶的性能不同,对于拉弧圈球的风格有一定的影响。  欧洲人拉球多为拉打,因为欧洲的套胶胶皮黏性差,海绵偏软,但弹性好。使用进口套胶,球在接触到拍子之后,海绵被挤压的程度较深,海绵被压缩的行程长,这样就削减了来球的大部分旋转和力量,因此采用拉打的手法可以很好的控制来球,加之欧洲人身高马大,爆发力非常好。这样的拉球威力不小。 亚洲人拉球多摩擦,因为国产的套胶,如狂飙系列套胶,胶皮黏性强,海绵弹性非常实在,非常大。在球接触拍子的时候,胶皮给了来球很大的阻力,而海绵被压缩的程度也不大,这样就造成的脱板速度很快。因此只有多摩擦,以旋转克旋转才能拉出高质量的弧圈球。所以使用国产套胶对拉球的技术要求较高。 随着乒乓器材的发展,国内已经生产出很多新产品,兼具了国产与进口的很多优点,对于众多的乒乓球爱好者来说,又多了很多的选择。  五、拉球的常见问题   1. 重心后坐:   重心后坐,自然使腿部力量不能发挥出来,使手臂的走向多为向上,削减了拉球的速度、力量和旋转。   2. 手臂僵硬:       引手的过程中,肌肉僵硬,大大降低了控制球的能力,并锁住了力量。击球后肌肉僵硬,使力量不能全部发挥出来,并降低了还原速度。   3. 转腰不够:       只用手臂拉球,速度、力量、旋转都有很大的损失。   4. 抬肘、抬肩:   使腿、腰、手不能协调一致,当力量从腿、腰传到手的时候,能量中断。   5. 步法迟钝:     等球,使击球点太低,使全身的力量用不到球上。



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Posted By: FireHorse
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 3:34pm
it would be good for xiaoling from Xiaoling online to translate it into English.  Or anybody volunteers to translate it?  Hope that it's not the same as from the other Chinese coach.

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Posted By: Rack
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 3:41pm
Sweet this will be awesome.  The lecture notes posted last time provided alot of awesome info... I'm sure this will be just as good.

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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 4:02pm
I tried Google Translate but the results are laughable... here is the first sentence excerpt:

"I turn to a few readers and online fans play a lot of straight anti-plastic questions"

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Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 4:44pm
Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

I tried Google Translate but the results are laughable... here is the first sentence excerpt:

"I turn to a few readers and online fans play a lot of straight anti-plastic questions"

Smile


LOL "straight anti-plastic" refers to "penhold inverted" for TT lingo. I can read the article but there's way too much info, and even if I understand what it says it could take years before I can execute in practice, so I won't bother...


Posted By: Totoro
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 4:56pm
I can do a translation after my test today...I think you can look forward to a very long translation

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Posted By: krisvangeel
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 5:15pm
Don't we love Google translate ? Another few nice excerpts from the translation Smile :

Pull the ball to eat the ball good or bad, in peacetime training is not very obvious.

This is affecting China's anti-plastic straight athletes are not the main reason for the strength pull the ball.

Carried out in Taiwan, followed by hair pulling onto the spin strength training, mainly to solve the force pulling hair washed after the continuity and footwork movement.








Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

I tried Google Translate but the results are laughable... here is the first sentence excerpt:

"I turn to a few readers and online fans play a lot of straight anti-plastic questions"

Smile


yeah, unfortunately, google translate doesn't work so well with non-european languages.

in my opinion it seems to work best with those languages closest to english, namely, danish, norwegian and swedish.

i suspect that "straight, anti-plastic" probably means "authentic" or "legitimate" or "straightforward."

anyhow, i look forward to the translation.

it would be really great for all of us if someone who has a little time could translate some of the articles, lectures or statements made by chinese nat'l team coaches and/or players on TT technical and/or tactical issues.


Posted By: opinari
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 8:52pm
I think it'd be really great if Chinese literate folks just translate as much as they can, a paragraph here or there whenever they have time. (If Totoro doesn't do it first, I'll probably just finish it up sometime later this week.) I'll start out with the easy part :D



吴敬平教练谈正手拉球的基本要点
教练, 吴敬平, 正手, 要点, 拉球
《乒乓世界》编辑部给我转来一些读者来信和网上很多直板反胶打法球迷的提问,他们主要是想了解直板反胶正手拉球的基本原理和训练方法, 特别是很想学习马林的正手爆冲。很多球迷对正手拉球进行了技术探讨,发表了各自的见解,并且提出了很多问题,有些问题提得十分专业。我看了以后十分感动, 对此,我觉得自己有义务把这些年在训练马林和王皓过程中的一些体会和球迷朋友们进行交流。由于我们训练的角度不同,对正手拉球的理解也不一定相同,训练的 方法手段也不可能一样。因此,我只能从我的角度把我训练的体会和朋友们交流,仅供参考。

Wu Jingping Discusses the Fundamental Points of the Forehand Loop

The editors of “Table Tennis World” forwarded to me some mail from readers as well as many questions from online enthusiasts of the inverted rubber penhold style. These readers primarily want to understand the fundamental principles and training methods concerning the inverted rubber penhold forehand loop, especially wanting to learn Ma Lin’s explosive forehand. A lot of enthusiasts have conducted their own technical examinations of the forehand loop, giving their own explanations, and raising a lot of questions. Some of the questions are at a very high level. (lit. expressed completely professionally). After reading these questions, I was very deeply moved. Regarding these questions, I decided I had an obligation to share with these enthusiasts what I have learned from all these years training Ma Lin and Wang Hao. Because we coaches have different perspectives on training, we all don’t have necessarily similar explanations of how to forehand loop; we also have different strategies for training. Therefore, I only can share what I have learned from my own perspective with all of you as a reference. file:///C:%5CUsers%5CMATTHE%7E1%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_colorschememapping.xml -


Posted By: Rack
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 8:58pm
Oh cool its a CPEN guide!  Even better!

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Posted By: opinari
Date Posted: 03/15/2010 at 9:06pm
Sorry that's all for now! I've got to study. :)

     乒乓球基本上是一 项圆周运动,正手和反手拉球都是以运动员的身体重心为轴心、以身体到身体重心的连线为半径进行圆周运动。因此,不管是正手还是反手击球都必须符合这个原 理,从这个意义上讲,正手拉球动作的基本原理就是一种力的传递。

    Table tennis fundamentally is a circular sport. Forehand and the backhand loops both rely upon the athlete’s center of gravity as the axis and upon the connection from the body to the body’s center of gravity as the radius in order to perform circular movements. As a result, whether performing a forehand or backhand attack, both movements must follow this principle. In this sense, the fundamental principle of the forehand loop is a type of relaying or forwarding of power.


Posted By: Totoro
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 1:40am
Ok...I'll do this gradually because it's 6 pages long in Chinese. I'll edit every time I add stuff

Here goes: I'll start from where opinari left off...

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Wu JingPing - Basics of the forehand loop (1)

Stance:
Legs should be shoulder width apart with the body weight forward and on the balls of your feet. When looping, the body should be facing the right (for right handers), body weight should be in the right leg. When turning your waist, your waist should control your upper arm and your forearm should be resting under the upper arm. Using your wrist to control your bat (while making using your thumb to close the angle of the bat, your forefinger should be relaxed while the middle finger is supporting the bat itself)
THIS IS EXCLUSIVELY FOR PENHOLDERS. HENCE THE DESCRIPTION OF HOW TO HOLD A BAT. The bat angle should change accordingly to suit the incoming spin (ie. more topspin = closed bat etc).
Contacting the ball: Firstly, use your legs to exert strength, transfer your weight from your right leg to your left leg, changing the place of your body weight with you leaning forward (not back). You should be moving in one direction with the arm and bat following the body. Using that weight transfer channel the strength through the arm and our through the forearm and immediately snap the forearm with force to contact the ball. The angle between the forearm and upper arm should be as little as possible. This is half the work (having a straight arm). The straighter the arm, the more power you will have. So the faster you snap your forearm forward the more speed you will have. Many people when teaching the forehand loop will emphasise on the snapping of the forearm but not emphasise on the weight transfer and winding back of the wrist - or the other way round. (Wu is just saying people don't fully teach it - many just teach bits of the proper technique)

Summing up:
1. WEIGHT TRANSFER! The body weight should be directed forward and the body should move with the arm.
2. You must use your waist to control the upper arm. The power (power and speed are not synonymous here) should come from the waist - NOT the forearm. There should be a balance between the legs, waist, upper arm, forearm and wrist for the distribution of the exert of power.
3. It is paramount that when contacting the ball you must snap your forearm forward. The wrist should be involved in this snapping. The faster you snap there will be more power.
4. The area of contact should be in the person's right front area. (ie. Where the ball (not on the ball) should be contacted) The closer the ball is to the body when contacted, the easier it is to control the ball.
Another thing that goes down the drain sometimes is that everyone is different and we must tweak our technique sometimes to fit the person. The person must adapt their own style. Also, when contacting the ball, it must be striking the ball, NOT letting the ball strike the bat (ie passive shot)

(2) Forehand looping structure changes
In my country (China), there are more and more penholders and as technique doens't stop changing, there will forever be an increasing number of penholders (using inverted). Most of the penholders using inverted rubbers took after the penholder hitters who used short pimples. So it is often good to relate the original style with the new style using inverted. So it is important to stick with some of the fundamentals of being a penholder - being near the table, short, quick and powerful shots while maintaining that speed is the name of the game. There is less all-out-power drives when training - more of the continuous sustainable driving. For those who have been professionally trained, it is very hard to change the technique and action that you've been drilled into doing. This has affected the way Chinese penholders loop - where there is not much power used. So I've encountered a problem these few years in training penholders using inverted rubber. Thus, when I trained Ma Lin and Wang Hao, I had to change their old habits, especially powerful spinney looping. This was the main thing I had worked on and that many penholders need to change. I had to change their attitudes - action small, quick, continuity, to action was comfortable, quick around the court (covering wide spaces), powerful and continuity. A special stress on the important of having a POWERFUL loop and how it needs to be continuous and have the ability to be lethal. In normal training situations I told Ma Lin and Wang Hao to add more power to their loops and the follow up needed after that. In a stable training environment my aim was to get them to exert more powerful loops from mid distance by feeding them half-high backspin balls. I asked them to use as much strength as they possibly could. The focus was to time it right so that you could unleash your power when you needed it. Slowly they learnt how to loop with lots of power - utilising power and technique from the legs, waist, upper arm, forearm and wrist to combine into a power loop. The main thing was the use of the legs and waist to generate the power needed and the shift of body weight from right to left. The next thing was to train their 'all table' (from all angles) power loop from topspin balls. The focus here was to improve continuity and footwork all over the table. Through this training, Ma and Wang's forehand powerloop was dramatically improved. I could see results from competitions their had participated in - that there was a profound effect on their game.
This modernised the game and was a breakthrough in the development of CPEN with inverted rubber - getting rid of the old ways. In terms of people who are not necessarily professional, if you want to improve your forehand loop's lethality, you must integrate maximum power looping into your training.
Summing up:
The forehand is actually a very complicated technique - it includes: near table looping, mid table looping, far table looping, looping topspin, backspin, counter looping other peoples loops, looping half-out balls etc... Aside from all these shots, a more important point is footwork. It affects the 'life' of your forehand, it affects the way you can time your loops and adjust the level of power on it. If you want to train your loops well, you first need to train your footwork. That's why amateurs cannot train at the same intensity as professionals - their footwork just doesn't allow for it. Despite this, amateurs can still get the right technique for striking the ball - even if their footwork isn't as good as the pros.

Below I've given you all an introduction and run through on the training methods and technique.
1. Looping backspin to a certain point on the table: loop driving is the penholders most basic attack. You must take care in using the wrist. When contacting the ball you must use the wrist to brush the ball, contacting the ball on the bat at the middle top (9-10oclock), using the wrist to adjust to the incoming speed and spin to add more power to your loop. This is what we often hear of ‘loop-driving’. Half loop half hit. When looping weak backspin you must brush and drive the ball at the same time. When looping strong backspin you must use all your power to brush up the ball to compensate for the heavy backspin. You must also note not to let the ball touch the bat, rather the bat hitting the ball (ie. Don’t do a passive shot). This is often what we heart of ‘eat ball’ [literal translation not sure of its meaning]. You should aim to have the ball contacting the ball for as long as possible. As you train your looping sensation will be heightened and the quality of it will be increased (ie. Speed and spin). Training method: when multiball is not available, one person can serve backspin, the other pushes and the server (on the backhand side) will attempt to loop drive the push. When looping you must ensure that you use a full 100% power loop. You should not be worrying about the next ball, rather making it so powerful and spinney that the opponent cannot possibly return it. Through this training your loops will become more powerful. Be aware to hit the ball at the highest point. Obviously you will have to adjust your technique accordingly. If it goes out, aim more forward, not up – and if it goes into the net you will have to brush more. Once this step is mastered, focus on aiming the ball so that you can put your loopdrive anywhere on the table.
2. Looping topspin to a certain point on the table: Looping backspin and topspin is different. When looping topspin you must contact the ball on the top of it. 12oclock position. There is more hit compared to brushing. The force must be aimed forward and not upward. This is easier to train than backspin – one can block on the backhand or forehand while the other loops. In the case of multiball the server can give out balls to anywhere on the table – to train footwork as well as looping topspin.
3. Looping against a loop (counterlooping): Counterlooping is a high level technique – most of the time only professionals can master this technique. Because many amateurs counterloop by bringing the ball high up and looping that way, you will stop at that level and not progress from there. When counterlooping you are required to firstly create power by yourself, not to borrow from the opponent’s spin or speed, using your own speed and spin to counteract the opponent’s spin and speed. When counterlooping your brush loop must be ‘thin’ (ie not to leave the ball on the bat for long) and you need to contact the ball on top of the ball – 12oclock position. If you create your own power from this counterloop instead of borrowing it, the chance if you winning the point will be higher. If you are scared of the opponent’s speed and spin then you will be susceptible to eating their spin and speed. Training method: one person serves backspin to your backhand area, you push it to your pivot forehand area, then one person will loop high spinney loop to your backhand and then you counterloop to his backhand. After practice of this you can change the point where the ball drops to another location.
4. Near table quick counterattack against loop (half-volley): This is one of a very new defensive (turning into attack) technique and it is very different to master it. During the 90’s this technique was developed. Like with blocking, we are borrowing the opponent’s spin – we are very susceptible in the competition situation to be continuously looped and hit by the opponent. After the 90’s Chinese athletes used the counterloop technique and put it near the table – especially with inverted rubbered penholders – turning defense into attack and having great results with it. An exception example is Ma Lin. It requires the athlete to be very quick in his decision-making, accurate and with good feeling with the ball. Because many shots will be off balance or not where we want the ball to loop, we loose our ability to produce high quality shots ourselves. Although many amateurs will not use this technique, some that go through training and use this shot will have good results with it. This technique is all about timing and using the wrist to exert power. When contacting the ball you will want to do it when the ball is rising – and if you footwork is quick enough you can even do a very quick half-volley. When contacting, use the wrist and waist to exert power, to contact it on the top of the ball (12 oclock), making sure to brush the ball only very slightly. If you brush too hard it will easily go into the net. When contacting you must have your force going forward and not up. Training method: one person pushes backspin to the others forehand and one loops, and then half volleys. You can experiment with different looping positions and then half volley. The main thing is making sure you brush the ball very lightly and slightly while exerting power by yourself.

(3) Main points of the FH loop
For amateur (non-professional) players, you must note the following when training your loop: 1. Snap your forearm forward: you must adjust the angle of your arm (between upper arm and forearm) to suit the incoming ball. Another thing, when snapping the forearm you must control it with your waist. 2. Waist turning: Controlling your overall arm with your waist is very important. Your loop should not be powered by the arm, rather the waist. The movement of the waist should be fast. Many amateurs know how to move their arm but not their waist and so the technique suffers from this. 3. Contact point: The best place for contacting the ball is in front of the body to the right (for right handers). To achieve this with every ball you need to have quick footwork and you need to maintain a good balance of body weight (so that the weight isn’t shifting from left to right all the time). Ma Lin always uses his forehand from backhand side explosive forehand loop drive when the opponent pushes a long but low ball. Ma does his explosive loop and there is no chance of him recovering if the opponent returns the ball. Although Ma’s body weight is centred quite low he contacts the ball at its highest or even falling point. 4. Use of the wrist: The wrist has its place – the movement shouldn’t be too big. When contacting the ball, using the middle finger to guide the wrist, you can add power and spin to the ball (for penholders). Another use of the wrist is to adjust the timing of the contact. An example of this is when you judge the incoming spin and speed wrongly, you can use the wrist to adjust accordingly. When the ball is out of your hitting range you need to use your waist and wrist to adjust for the ball. Especially in competitions where many of the balls you face are not orthodox, and when the ball comes to a point on the table where you’re not very familiar with. You must use the pointing finger and middle finger (in penholders) to utilise the wrist. In most situations the forearm and wrist should be in line. 5. ‘Eating balls’ (passive shot etc): When we judge whether a sports person is good or bad, we mainly look at whether they eat spin/balls. This is where the ball stays on the bat for too long, while it is not the bat hitting the ball rather the ball hitting the bat (passive shot). When training try as much as possible to not borrow the power of the opponent rather creating your own. While it may not be obvious in normal training whether the player makes passive shots, it is obvious in competitions where they are nervous and cannot fully make their shots. You need to make it a habit to be active in your shots – not passive. 6. Third ball attack – differences between topspin and backspin: in terms of movement there is not much difference, the difference is where you contact the ball. For backspin, middle to top part, and for topspin 12oclock, on top of the ball. Adjust the power of your shot accordingly to suit the incoming ball. Loop driving topspin: body weight forward. Especially when counter-looping, brushing should be thin and easily returned. 7. Small adjustments: Many of my amateur friends have this problem. In competitions it’s very hard to have small adjustments for every ball. In training you need to develop a feel for the ball. In amateur terms, small adjustments work best in spin changing - sometimes looping with strong spin and sometimes looping with very weak topspin.

Forehand topspin technique is one of table tennis’s most important strokes, if not the most important. The use of the legs, waist and arm/wrist is paramount. If you adjust these three elements properly you can have a very powerful and often scary game.

We can split forehand topspin into two different kinds: European style and Asian style. European style forehand demands more hitting than brushing – therefore the end loop is one that is fast, powerful and low. Asian style forehand demands more brush – therefore when the ball bounces off the other side of the table it jumps. It is also fast and low but has more spin. Because this technique has been in development for so many years, many players have a composite style forehand and it usually not 100% clear whether they have a completely Asian or European forehand. Looping isn’t hard but you need to train it very hard for it to be successful. So how do we master the forehand loop? (for righthanders)
1. Technique deconstruction a) Ready stance: before looping, the stance must be stable. For most situations, you should be about 1.5m away from the table. Left foot in front, right foot at the back. Legs should be shoulder width apart. Legs should be bent, body weight low and forward. The body and the table corner should be 45 degrees. B) Looping: when looping topspin, the right arm should be relaxed. Body weight should be in the right leg. Then, waist will turn back. Unleash the waist and bring with it the arm and then snap the forearm at contact. Body weight should transfer from right to left. Be sure to brush loop and to have your body weight forward and actively strike the ball. After contacting the ball, your upper and lower arm must immediately relax and then recovery back to the ready stance. C) Footwork: When looping, according to the position of the ball, move so that the ball is in the optimum hitting position. When moving around the court it is essential to ensure that your body weight is balanced and that you’re not moving in all directions.

2.     High arc loop and forward drive loop: Mostly high arc loops are used for looping backspin. The spin of a high arc loop is very high but it is often predictable and slow. Adjust the contact point on the ball according to the amount of spin. When looping high arc, the right arm (for right handers) should sink very low and then directing the shot, loop upwards to get it over the net, and then forward across to the other side. Forward loop drives have speed and power but lack spin. If the incoming backspin is very strong, you will need to pull back the waist further and generate more lifting power from the forearm to brush the ball.

3.     Inside table high spin loop: This type of technique requires high level skills. Firstly you need to determine the placement and the height and according to the height strike the ball. Usually the brush is very ‘thin’ when doing topspin balls. With backspin it very difficult. If you can control and attack short backspin balls you will be very powerful.

4.     Rubber and the loop: Chinese rubber and European/Japanese rubbers are very different and have different characteristics and therefore change the style of the player/shot. Europeans loop more with hit than loop because European rubber topsheet is not tacky, sponge is soft but is bouncy. If you use Euro/Jap rubbers, the ball must sink into the sponge and ‘dwell’ so that you have more control over the spin and speed of the incoming ball. (ie. Not as sensitive to spin) This is even better because more Europeans are taller and more powerful than the Chinese players. Chinese players brush the ball more especially since their rubbers (in particular Hurricane series) are tackier and the ball doesn’t sink into the sponge much. This makes the rubber and blade combination fast. Because there is more brushing, the quality of the loop is better.

COURTESY OF PP DUI
5 common problems in forehand looping:
1. Gravity center falls on your heels so that you are in a sitting gesture while looping, your power from legs cannot be used effectively, and your arm forced to move more upward, reducing the power, speed and spin of your loop.

2. Stiff arm and hand. In the process of getting ready to loop, you have stiff muscle, which locks your power in your body. After contacting the ball, a stiff muscle prevents you from releasing all your power, thus slow you down to get ready for next shot.

3. No or lack of turning your waist. Use only your hand to loop would greatly reduce your power, spin, and speed.

4. Raising your elbow or shoulder. Raising your elbow or shoulder while looping will reduce the harmony among your leg, waist, arm and hand. Block the power from your leg and waist to transform to your racket.

5. Lack of footwork. When you lack proper footwork, you are forced to wait for the ball to come to your racket, lose your timing, you have to lower you point of contacting the ball, preventing your from utilizing all your power in your whole body.

- COMPLETED -

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Posted By: Rack
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 1:53am
/refreshing every few minutes... LOL

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FH - H3 NEO Pro 2.15 40H

BH - Tenergy 64 2.1


Posted By: FireHorse
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 9:53am
Thanks opinari and Totoro for spending time translating it.  I'm looking forward to read more of it.  Even though it's the guide for penholders, it does benefit shakehanders like me as well :)

FireHorse


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BH: Andro Rassant PowerGrip


Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 10:08am
yes, same here.  apart from the way they hold the racket, there's no difference btw. them and us shakehanders.


Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 2:19pm
Originally posted by Totoro Totoro wrote:

I can do a translation after my test today...I think you can look forward to a very long translation
 
what do you  mean whith this ?
 
 
"Most of the penholders using inverted rubbers took after the penholder hitters who used short pimples. So it is often good to relate the original "


Posted By: Sallom89
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 2:25pm
Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by Totoro Totoro wrote:

I can do a translation after my test today...I think you can look forward to a very long translation

 

what do you  mean whith this ?

 

 

"Most of the penholders using inverted rubbers took after the penholder hitters who used short pimples. So it is often good to relate the original "


that the techniques are the same, so it is good to look back at the original style that is now developed to inverted rubber players.

meh, sorry if I translated something wrong because English is my second language.

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Posted By: Mythos
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 4:19pm
Thank you very much for taking the time to translate this stuff! It is very beneficial to me (and I'm sure for many others), as I am interested in modern technique, both pen hold and shake hand in the chinese method.


Posted By: Totoro
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 4:36pm
omg i translated a huge lot and there was a server error...stupid internet...

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BH: Palio CK531A OX

CPen Looper with LP twiddling, blocking hitting and LP RPB


Posted By: FireHorse
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 4:45pm
Originally posted by Totoro Totoro wrote:

omg i translated a huge lot and there was a server error...stupid internet...


Oh no...  Well, hope that you find time to do it again.  Hopefully, this time, you translate into a document then copy and paste so you won't lose it.

Thanks again for all the hard work.

FireHorse


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BH: Andro Rassant PowerGrip


Posted By: Totoro
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 4:51pm
That's definitely a better idea. lols.

I have assessments throughout the week but I'll take time out to do it... If anyone wants to contribute, go ahead.

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FH: DHS Hurricane 3 PROVINCIAL 2.15mm 38 degrees
BH: Palio CK531A OX

CPen Looper with LP twiddling, blocking hitting and LP RPB


Posted By: Rack
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 7:37pm
Good luck on your assessments... will be lookin forward to reading your translation.

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Yasaka Ma Lin YEO (1st) , Yasaka Extra CPEN (2nd)

FH - H3 NEO Pro 2.15 40H

BH - Tenergy 64 2.1


Posted By: PP Dui
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 8:40pm

拉球的常见问题   1. 重心后坐:   重心后坐,自然使腿部力量不能发挥出来,使手臂的走向多为向上,削减了拉球的速度、力量和旋转。   2. 手臂僵硬:       引手的过程中,肌肉僵硬,大大降低了控制球的能力,并锁住了力量。击球后肌肉僵硬,使力量不能全部发挥出来,并降低了还原速度。   3. 转腰不够:       只用手臂拉球,速度、力量、旋转都有很大的损失。   4. 抬肘、抬肩:   使腿、腰、手不能协调一致,当力量从腿、腰传到手的时候,能量中断。   5. 步法迟钝:     等球,使击球点太低,使全身的力量用不到球上。

5 common problems in forehand looping:

1. Gravity center falls on your heels so that you are in a sitting gesture while looping, your power from legs cannot be used effectively, and your arm forced to move more upward, reducing the power, speed and spin of your loop.

 

2. Stiff arm and hand. In the process of getting ready to loop, you have stiff muscle, which locks your power in your body.  After contacting the ball, a stiff muscle prevents you from releasing all your power, thus slow you down to get ready for next shot.

 

3. No or lack of turning your waist.  Use only your hand to loop would greatly reduce your power, spin, and speed.

 

4. Raising your elbow or shoulder.  Raising your elbow or shoulder while looping will reduce the harmony among your leg, waist, arm and hand. Block the power from your leg and waist to transform to your racket.

 

5. Lack of footwork.  When you lack proper footwork, you are forced to wait for the ball to come to your racket, lose your timing, you have to lower you point of contacting the ball, preventing your from utilizing all your power in your whole body.



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Posted By: Rack
Date Posted: 03/17/2010 at 12:55pm

Bumping this up just to keep it fresh.



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BH - Tenergy 64 2.1


Posted By: Rack
Date Posted: 03/17/2010 at 9:11pm
Any new updates after PP Dui (thanks btw)?

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FH - H3 NEO Pro 2.15 40H

BH - Tenergy 64 2.1


Posted By: johnny89atc
Date Posted: 03/17/2010 at 9:28pm
Thank you very much for the translation!!!

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Posted By: opinari
Date Posted: 03/18/2010 at 12:20am
His translation runs to the end of the article.


Posted By: Totoro
Date Posted: 03/18/2010 at 3:47am
done a bit more

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FH: DHS Hurricane 3 PROVINCIAL 2.15mm 38 degrees
BH: Palio CK531A OX

CPen Looper with LP twiddling, blocking hitting and LP RPB


Posted By: Rack
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 3:14pm
Awesome Totoro! Thx!

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FH - H3 NEO Pro 2.15 40H

BH - Tenergy 64 2.1


Posted By: stefanoa
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 4:27pm
Thank you Totoro, great article and great translation.


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Posted By: FireHorse
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 4:48pm
I haven't seen anything from Totoro after he said done a bit more.  Am I missing anything?

FireHorse


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BH: Andro Rassant PowerGrip


Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 5:16pm
Originally posted by FireHorse FireHorse wrote:

I haven't seen anything from Totoro after he said done a bit more.  Am I missing anything?

FireHorse


Think he edited his post to add more translated material...


Posted By: FireHorse
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 6:01pm
Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

Originally posted by FireHorse FireHorse wrote:

I haven't seen anything from Totoro after he said done a bit more.  Am I missing anything?

FireHorse


Think he edited his post to add more translated material...


Oh, silly me Ouch

Thanks for pointing it out and also thanks to Totoro for taking your time translating.

FireHorse


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Posted By: FireHorse
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 6:05pm
I think 'eat ball' means 'bite the ball' or 'let the rubber bites the ball'.

FireHorse


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Posted By: Rack
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 7:17pm
Totoro... is what you have currently the entire article or is there more to come?

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Posted By: Totoro
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 7:33pm
There's like 4 pages to come. I'm translating now.

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Posted By: Rack
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 7:34pm
Whoa crazy!  Take your time no rush...  know you got assessments and stuff.

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Posted By: Totoro
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 11:36pm
Lols it's ok my week of tests just finished... I have about a page to go! I have edited my post above.

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CPen Looper with LP twiddling, blocking hitting and LP RPB


Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 03/20/2010 at 3:36am
Originally posted by Rack Rack wrote:

Awesome Totoro! Thx!
 
there was a guy called chunglau that posted translated articles from the chinese magazine tt world, totoro could have blog like that


Posted By: Totoro
Date Posted: 03/20/2010 at 7:47am
I would never have the time for that! haha...I'll finish tonight or tomorrow.

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BH: Palio CK531A OX

CPen Looper with LP twiddling, blocking hitting and LP RPB


Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 03/20/2010 at 4:56pm
Originally posted by Totoro Totoro wrote:

I would never have the time for that! haha...I'll finish tonight or tomorrow.
 
totoro please translate the writing in the shirt
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/palnstorfer/4414839786/sizes/l/ - http://www.flickr.com/photos/palnstorfer/4414839786/sizes/l/


Posted By: Vladovich
Date Posted: 03/20/2010 at 5:08pm
Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by Totoro Totoro wrote:

I would never have the time for that! haha...I'll finish tonight or tomorrow.

 

totoro please translate the writing in the shirt

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/palnstorfer/4414839786/sizes/l/ - http://www.flickr.com/photos/palnstorfer/4414839786/sizes/l/


Is it Japanese?

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Posted By: Totoro
Date Posted: 03/20/2010 at 6:40pm
It means 'Human Life Table Tennis'. Table tennis for life?

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CPen Looper with LP twiddling, blocking hitting and LP RPB


Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 03/21/2010 at 6:54am
Originally posted by Totoro Totoro wrote:

It means 'Human Life Table Tennis'. Table tennis for life?
 
thank you


Posted By: FireHorse
Date Posted: 03/22/2010 at 9:21am
Originally posted by Totoro Totoro wrote:

It means 'Human Life Table Tennis'. Table tennis for life?


Or maybe "Long Live Table Tennis"? Big%20smile

Anyway, I enjoy reading the article and again, thanks so much for translating it after being lost a good chunk of it.

FireHorse


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Posted By: Rack
Date Posted: 03/22/2010 at 3:37pm
Getting better and better as Totoro adds more.

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Posted By: Rack
Date Posted: 03/23/2010 at 6:44pm
Bump for last update

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Posted By: Totoro
Date Posted: 03/24/2010 at 2:12am
The translation has been completed! I won't be doing that in the near future, definitely

Have fun improving your forehands!

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FH: DHS Hurricane 3 PROVINCIAL 2.15mm 38 degrees
BH: Palio CK531A OX

CPen Looper with LP twiddling, blocking hitting and LP RPB


Posted By: stefanoa
Date Posted: 03/24/2010 at 4:08am
Thank you Totoro and PP DUI.

I really appreciate your effort. I hope to see more in the future :-)
It will be very interesting to know how to improve foot work, for example.

But I guess it is not so easy to ask questions to Chinese National coaches.

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Posted By: SuperFX
Date Posted: 03/24/2010 at 2:05pm
A tremendous effort Totoro!

A lot of questions and thoughs got answered...




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Posted By: FireHorse
Date Posted: 03/24/2010 at 3:31pm
Thanks so much to everyone who contributed to having this help guide available in English.

It's very helpful and now I think that I should try to use Chinese rubbers to improve my loop Big%20smile

FireHorse





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Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/24/2010 at 3:45pm
thanks a lot to all the translators for that.
 
hopefully, in the future, we'll have more commentary like this from chinese coaches and/or players.


Posted By: FireHorse
Date Posted: 03/24/2010 at 3:51pm
By the way, I might sound ignorance, but would anyone give me some information about this coach who wrote this article (Coach Wu Jingping).  I think he's Ma Lin and Wang Hao's coach but would like to know more about him.

Thanks so much in advance.

FireHorse


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Posted By: Totoro
Date Posted: 03/24/2010 at 5:40pm
http://home.tiscali.nl/proftafeltennis/Wu%20Jingping.htm

I posted that a while ago! =) enjoy!

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Clipper Wood
FH: DHS Hurricane 3 PROVINCIAL 2.15mm 38 degrees
BH: Palio CK531A OX

CPen Looper with LP twiddling, blocking hitting and LP RPB


Posted By: wfberkhof
Date Posted: 03/25/2010 at 9:37am
Great article! And awesome translation work totoro, we're definitely in your debt.

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Posted By: FireHorse
Date Posted: 03/25/2010 at 12:13pm
Originally posted by Totoro Totoro wrote:

http://home.tiscali.nl/proftafeltennis/Wu%20Jingping.htm

I posted that a while ago! =) enjoy!


Yeah, I know this coach.  Thanks for everything!

FireHorse


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BH: Andro Rassant PowerGrip


Posted By: Mythos
Date Posted: 03/25/2010 at 4:11pm
The writing on the shirt is Japanese, it says: "Table Tennis Life" (jinsei takkyu).


Posted By: ssiew968
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 10:28am

Pingpang world in on sale here. I have seen every copies of it. Unfortunately I cant read chinese. If u look at the quality of coaching, these are very good article. Much better than those of Butterfly newsletter or other English speaking coaching. The focus is not only on the stroke "appearance". It talks about those things that you can't see on TV or megazine.



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Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 04/18/2010 at 2:50pm
Originally posted by Mythos Mythos wrote:

The writing on the shirt is Japanese, it says: "Table Tennis Life" (jinsei takkyu).
 
 
thank you!!


Posted By: scottymang
Date Posted: 04/20/2010 at 6:54am

Tanx for the translation, Totoro.Thumbs%20Up

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Posted By: BMonkey
Date Posted: 08/16/2010 at 3:26pm
Bump!
 
I nominate this for a sticky in Coaching! It's such an awesome translation.


Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 10/02/2010 at 11:41pm
KUDOS to all the patient and helpful translators for making this useful article available.

Did you guys have the help of online translators or did you guys manage it all on your own. If it's the latter, WOW! Clap


Posted By: pipigrande
Date Posted: 10/13/2010 at 2:11pm
I just recently came to see this thread.
 
Totoro thank you very much sir. Really appreciate it. Kudos to you.
 
Same goes to PP-dui.


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Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 10/14/2010 at 9:54am
Originally posted by BMonkey BMonkey wrote:

Bump!
 
I nominate this for a sticky in Coaching! It's such an awesome translation.


and i second that nomination!!

thanks again to all the translators!!


Posted By: TheRobot99
Date Posted: 10/24/2010 at 6:06pm
This is going to be a huge help in my game. I thank all that participated and third the nomination making this a sticky in Coaching.

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Posted By: quocvinh727
Date Posted: 09/20/2011 at 4:39pm
wow!! thanks a lot!!!  just read it.  great article .. thanks for the translation!!!!!

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Posted By: llj000
Date Posted: 03/24/2012 at 1:45pm
Thanks opinari and Totoro for spending time translating it.  I'm looking forward to read more of it.  Even though it's the guide for penholders, it does benefit shakehanders like me as well :)

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Posted By: siulunglee
Date Posted: 08/01/2012 at 11:59am
yeah.  it's lucky that I can read this article in Chinese, but certainly wish all of you can read it if you are a penhold fan.  Here just want to say I am really agree with coach Wu's insight and even my coach (who is a Chinese) is training me with a few of his detail.  Such as transfer of transfer center point of gravity, retract of forearm, hit point of the ball (plus rubber differences), turning on waist and re-train of footwork are all important, especially footwork.  

I believe this is not only for penhold.  It is good for handshake.  As what he use in training Ma Lin and Wang Hao, a lot of training is using the mid to long table loop that is used to train handshake player.  And as RPB becomes more popular, the way to play will become more like handshake in a lot of areas.


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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/18/2012 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by siulunglee siulunglee wrote:

yeah.  it's lucky that I can read this article in Chinese, but certainly wish all of you can read it if you are a penhold fan.  Here just want to say I am really agree with coach Wu's insight and even my coach (who is a Chinese) is training me with a few of his detail.  Such as transfer of transfer center point of gravity, retract of forearm, hit point of the ball (plus rubber differences), turning on waist and re-train of footwork are all important, especially footwork.  

I believe this is not only for penhold.  It is good for handshake.  As what he use in training Ma Lin and Wang Hao, a lot of training is using the mid to long table loop that is used to train handshake player.  And as RPB becomes more popular, the way to play will become more like handshake in a lot of areas.


yeah you are right

Penhold and Shakehand weight transfer, body movement, footwork is basically the same.
IMO a Penhold coach can also coach shakehand, but maybe not the other way around lol


Posted By: The Shakehander
Date Posted: 10/24/2012 at 4:15pm
Just "BING" it, who says MS is evil?!?! Wink LOL
 
Tan Zheng Wu Jingping coach hand ball basics

Coach Wu Jingping, hand, points, pulled the ball

Editorial Board of the table tennis world for many bar I go to letters to the editor and the Internet anti-rubber game fans ' questions, they mainly want to know straight against basic principles and training methods of the rubber hand to pull the ball, particularly wanted to learn Marlin working on the explosion rushed. Many fans on hand to pull the ball for a technical discussion, express their views, and asked a lot of questions, some questions were very professional. After I read was very touched, and this, I feel like I have an obligation to put these years experiences in the training process of Ma Lin and Wang Hao's friends and fans communicate. Because of the different angles of our training, understanding is not necessarily the same of the hand to pull the ball, like training method means it is impossible. Therefore, I can from my friends my experience and training in the context of the Exchange, are for reference only.

Table tennis is basically a circular motion, hand and backhand the ball is in the athlete's body weight as the axis, body to body weight of links to RADIUS circular motion. Therefore, both the hand and the back-hand must be consistent with this principle, in this sense, working on the fundamentals of ball movement was a force pass.

Coach Wu Jingping articles are the basic points of the sphere (a)

Basic station: two leg open and shoulder of width for almost same, body slightly Qian pour, gravity in pre Palm, pulled ball Shi, body right go (to right hand for cases), gravity placed in right feet Shang, in go lumbar of process in the, with lumbar control big arm, right shoulder slightly end of, small arm natural sagging, with wrist control plate type, plate type Qian pour (thumb forced pressure live ball plate, index finger slightly relax, middle finger resisted ball plate), plate type Qian pour of angle due to to ball of rotating different and adjustment. Hitting the principle: when hit, to the right hand, for example, punches in the first leg, kick to the left, converting body weight from right foot to left foot, Exchange Center of gravity, body, body and hit the ball in the direction of orientation. Then punches on the waist, lumbar-led big arm, forearm pass, up the moment, shrinking forearm hard hitting. Mechanics principle of speaking, before hand to pull the ball, small angle between the arm and the arm, the smaller the better, this is the greater RADIUS, the larger the RADIUS, the greater the initial velocity, moment up sudden contraction of the forearm, RADIUS acquired smaller acceleration, speed and strength increase. When hitting, to small changes in the angle between the arm and the arm under the ball and hit the ball needs to be changed. Many players working on the ball often focus only on the forearm while ignoring turn waist, lumbar control arm-punch, or notice that a lumbar punch to drive the arm while ignoring your forearm, angle between the forearm and upper arm almost did not change or change very little. Summed up in hand to pull the ball four points should be noted: 1, attention must be focused exchange, before gravity and hit the ball in the direction of orientation. 2, always use waist control arm, is waist-punch, rather than arm-punch, note when you pull the ball legs, waist, arm, forearm, wrist force coordination. 3, hit the ball an instant must quickly shrink exerting force with forearm, wrist, forearm shrinking faster, strength will be issued. 4, ball points must be kept in the front right side of the body, hitting the points near the body more and easier it is to control the ball. A point worth noting is whatever the ball movement, must have and your own physical condition in line is unlikely to affect the actions of punches can be, there is no fixed action patterns. Other is in front of the ball, the ball must maintain a certain distance between the pad and the ball, willing to hit the ball as far as possible, and don't let the ball hit your Racquet, or is the distance between the balls and rackets are too small, easy ball with resist, your punches.

Coach Wu Jingping article structure, methods and techniques of hand to pull the ball (b)

Structural changes in the hand to pull the ball: for the majority of our amateur table tennis terms, mostly straight, with the development of table tennis technology, more and more straight people on anti-adhesive. Due to my anti-rubber play is from the bar is the rubber bar of evolution, in both its sense of play and training methods is to follow the straight path of positive photoresist and consciousness. Therefore, on the structure of the action was to close, small ball speed, faster swing speed as the guiding ideology. Training method rarely on hand to attack major strength ball training, more stressed the continuity between the action. For fans, that many amateur sports school training, if you want to change is on hand to pull the ball more easily. That is affecting my bar counter-rubber players are ball strength is not the main reason. I straight against rubber play players in recent years come to recognize the problem in training, therefore, MA Lin and Wang Hao in the training has changed the previous training methods, with special emphasis on hand to power lift training, put this issue straight against top gel play training for settlement. Awareness training in hand to pull the ball from the actions of small changes, speed, continuity is good to a large range of ball stretching, running, strength, good continuity. Underscored the power globe increase on the basis of the continuity and lethal, asked Ma Lin and Wang Hao in the usual footwork training increased the ball's force, practicing good strong cohesion after the ball. In actual of training in the I main used has made strongly pulled rushed from Taiwan issued of draw half high ball, requirements Marin and Wang Hao as with maximum of forces hitting, main training pulled ball Shi action of stretch sexual, and let they gradually habits made strongly pulled ball, master punches of skills, to leg, and lumbar, and big arm, and small arm, and wrist of punches coordination up, main stressed has lumbocrural of punches and body gravity of conversion. Was followed by a full punch drawing washed up on English training, addressing primarily the continuity after the punch punching and footwork to move. Through training, MA Lin and Wang Hao's hand to pull the ball has been greatly improved. Judging from the effects of competition, I think it was successful in this, which is also on the bar counter-plastic training breakthrough, breaking the stereotypes of bar plastic training models. For most amateurs, to increase the lethality of hand to pull the ball, would have to be some change in the consciousness of the past play, try to make some big strength ball training. Methods and techniques of hand ball: hand to pull the ball is a very complex technology, close to nearly pull the ball, drop ball, long ball, pull Top spin, Back spin, is near, anti-lift, pull half out of the pool, and so on. No matter how complex the ball, but it is the most important foundation is footwork. Footwork is good or bad, directly related to hand to pull the ball hits the size, strength and ball control. To be practicing good hand to pull the ball, you must practice good footwork. In this sense, is the biggest difference between professional athletes and amateur athletes, amateur athletes could not doing a lot of high intensity step like a professional athlete training. But one thing is the same, that's batting skills. As long as the best of the occasion, give full play to the existing condition, may also receive some results.

Below, I'd like to introduce you to some of the more practical methods and skills training: 1, adjust point draw: the flush draw is the bar counter-glue the most fundamental basic skills, pull down the English apart from the previously mentioned basic actions other than essentials, pay particular attention to the wrist. Impact is to wrist to rub the ball, hitting point in ball's upper-middle, wrist ball friction also depends on the strength of ball rotation when coupled with a certain degree of impact. Is that it is often said that again and again. Flush draw rotation ball to continuous friction with the impact of the weak, impact can be slightly greater than friction. Strong flush draw rotated the ball must be hitting the hard friction in your own strength offset to the ball's rotation of the ball. Impact important to pay particular attention to the ball forward to send the ball, not * power to hard-hit balls. This is what we always said to eat the ball, try to get the ball in the ball stays on the Board longer. This training ball, your ball will be more and more the feeling of a good, growing number of balls will slowly reach fluency. Methods of training, in the absence of multi-ball can draw the ball into opponent's backhand let each other rubbing a long ball to the side, and pull punches rushed the ball. Attention all out when you pull the ball flush, don't consider a cricket is able to control each other over. Is to let you control them. This training, your ball strength will increase. In how the ball's condition, can let the other draw to your sideways, fixed-point punch punching the ball. Hitting the ball to master a good time, they jumped to the highest point or drop the ball hitting the early is best. Batting time must be relatively fixed, so an easy-pull ball hits, good conditioning. Bounds sent forward a little more, on multiple networks under friction. In fixed-point drawing draw hundreds of cases, then placement of the ball to expand to fixed-point drawing punch and increasing difficulty of pulling the ball, ball's level will increase. 2, adjust point Top Spin: pull Topspin and Backspin is different, hitting the Top spin point is in the upper part of the ball, rubbing the ball than hit the ball, impact must be sent forward. Basic training methods like spiral down and robbed, only rotation of the ball is different, is the Top spin. Push block punches pulled sideways after punching the cricket, or the other you hand to punch after punch, practicing over and over again. There are many balls training conditions, can be made directly by the other Top spin to your hand and grab the Red sideways, placement can be from fixed to variable, and gradually increase the difficulty of hitting. 3, practicing good anti-lift: anti-lift is a high technology, particularly amateurs to master this technology as a duck, you can order the game initiative. Because the General's amateur athletes lift with hanging loop when pulled, you mastered the technique of reverse lift, you stood in more than one on a block level. Back lift of essentials, first to punch yourself, take each other as little as possible of the rotation, with a ball of their own strength to offset each other to ball spinning. Followed by the friction in the pull ball must be thin, friction top or even the top of the ball, both to take each other to the ball's rotation, but also their own friction ball punches. Exerting force with its own pull, hit more. Rotate more afraid of each other to touch the ball, the more easy to eat each other's rotation. Training methods, the other side draw to your hand, you push to the other side, the other high-hanging loop to your backhand, you pull sideways so that repetition, after possession against lift of the basic law, then expanded to pull all drop and not targeted against Taiwan. 4, nearly in hand loop: the technology is very advanced in defense technology, hard to master the technology, is gradually being introduced only in the late 90 's technology. Before that people working on the defense are blocking, take they rotated the ball out of the ball in the past, and key moments of the match is easy mistakes due to tensions, if not failure, anti-ball nor threats of the past, can easily be continuous attack each other. To the late 90 's, Chinese athletes pull on technologies used in defense, especially the bar counter-rubber game players more, accelerate the pace of change-over, had a good effect, Marlin is very prominent in the use of this technology. This technique requires the athlete to ball's judgement very fast, accurate, hands on feel of the ball is very high, because there are so many balls are in the case of loss of body weight, or are not in place, full * time to complete action on the players ' hands. I think that although amateurs can really grasp much of this technology, but already have a certain level of player can go give it a try, maybe you will have unexpected harvest. The key lies in having the right technical skills hitting time and force the wrist, hitting the ball as much as possible take off early (way up), when step really can't get the case, also hitting the ball just jumped up on. * Waist and wrists when hitting punch, ball top. When exposure to balls as to take each other to ball's force, while he punches to friction ball friction as possible thin, friction and thickness under the easy-NET, the friction moment of ball must be on the ball. Training method can be rubbed to draw each other's hand to let the other lift to your hand, and then hand to close fast. This practice will gradually master the basic methods of hitting, faster with each other from the loop to draw more skilled case, then push straight to allow each other to lift their hand to fast training with rotated through loop. That way, you'll grasp the hand to take in the defensive loop technology. This technology are the key points when you hit a certain friction ball to be thin, but be sure to take the initiative with the ball.

Coach Wu Jingping article considerations for hand ball (c)

Hand-pull ball notes: amateur when a practiced hand to pull the ball, should pay attention to grasp the following several points: 1, your forearms: working on the attention when you pull the ball forearm, large angle between the arm and forearm must be fixed, to be decided according to the ball swing arm size. But note that your forearm to use lumbar control. 2, turn waist: since table tennis is circular motion, hitting the waist in control is a very important link, racket when hitting back is not a back door handle with your hand, but go waist to complete lumbar fixation arm, Bend and Turn the speed is much faster than the handle. That is, before hitting swing arm is to go waist instead of handle. And we have a lot of fans in the game comes first and when door handle, do not know go waist, which frequently led to the lack of co-ordination of the body occurs when hitting the punch does not concentrate or effortless. 3, hitting: hitting the point's best position is in the front right side of the body (right hand, for example), to maintain the best batting position we must learn footwork, maintain a good body weight, level of gravity to be decided according to the ball. Often used by Marlin fell sideways and explosive punch is a last resort and, they rubbed the ball low and long, then it can no longer be restored, only how. Marin in pulling this ball when the center of gravity low, the highest but hitting a ball or drop early. Working on the point of hitting the ball hitting the footwork to move to their own decisions according to points of high and low. Generally is in declining intermediate and late phases of the ball hitting. 4, wrist use: when you pull the ball, wrist are relatively fixed, can't shake too large, middle finger against the ball plate for batting moments with friction ball. Also hitting the wrist also has moments of regulation, such as rotation of the ball when suddenly the ball than their expected to go * to adjust the wrist when batting strength and friction of the ball's parts. Is not in place and stand up to their own circumstances, * the waist and wrists to adjust the contact point. Especially in the game, rules are not very many ball, ball placement is your most uncomfortable place, this time * to adjust the wrist, wrist adjustment key * the thumb and middle finger to push to complete. Control in the second when the ball has to * wrists to complete, there are a lot of straight hanging wrist badly when the players hand to pull the ball, which affected the punch, under normal circumstances, on the wrists and forearms are almost in a straight line, ball plate at about 45 degrees and the angle between the wrists. 5, eat ball: we see a player drive is good or bad, is based mainly on whether to eat the ball when he pulled the ball. Eat ball is the ball in the ball stay on the Board long, instead of the ball touched the ball went out. To do drop the ball when the ball, they must each cricket initiative with friction ball, training usually takes as little as possible in softball
 
 
*dam...BING sucks...lol*


Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 10/24/2012 at 4:42pm
Youtube's closed caption beta also yields hilarious results.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/24/2012 at 10:48pm
My theory is that Shakehand has actually found a perfect translation of what Wu Jingping said.  So it's actually a very very long Zen koan, along the lines of "what is the sound of one hand clapping"*  If you actually come to understand it -- especially phrases like "particularly wanted to learn Marlin working on the explosion rushed",  you will have obtained table tennis enlightenment and along with it, the perfect forehand.  This is why so few have mastered that shot.

* Most of us figured out what that sound was when we were 13 or younger......LOL   


Posted By: Loop40mm
Date Posted: 10/25/2012 at 11:06am

Is this the computer software translation from Chinese?  The choice of some words are quite advanced.  Some terms are literal translation.

pull the ball = loop

eat the ball = let the ball sink into the rubber

I have not figured out the Chinese equivalence for "explosion rushed", especially "rushed". 



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Posted By: FireHorse
Date Posted: 10/25/2012 at 11:56am
I re-read this article again (in English translated by Totoro) and find that I still haven't done all what mentioned in the article for forehand loop.  And even though this article is for penholder, I believe that the same techniques applied to shakehand as well, and also it's good that coach Wu Jingping says something regarding amateur level which is very helpful for us to know what we can and cannot do.  And also something regarding European vs. Asian forehand loops because of rubbers' differences.  He also mentioned something interesting that we, the amateur, do the hybrid loop which we do not know if we have the Euro or Asian loops.
 
I find that I understand what he said more now than before.
 
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Posted By: rick_ys_ho
Date Posted: 10/25/2012 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by Loop40mm Loop40mm wrote:

I have not figured out the Chinese equivalence for "explosion rushed", especially "rushed". 

 
爆冲
 
closet English translation I can think of is "power loop".
 
 
 


Posted By: Loop40mm
Date Posted: 10/25/2012 at 2:40pm
Originally posted by rick_ys_ho rick_ys_ho wrote:

Originally posted by Loop40mm Loop40mm wrote:

I have not figured out the Chinese equivalence for "explosion rushed", especially "rushed". 

 
爆冲
 
closet English translation I can think of is "power loop".
 
 
 
Thanks. I think I have heard that term before.  It is not in my daily ping pong language. 


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Posted By: khan_m_a
Date Posted: 02/21/2013 at 2:56am
Thanks for your hard work.
Very useful info


Posted By: louisalice
Date Posted: 08/20/2013 at 5:16am
Thanks opinari and Totoro for spending time translating it


Posted By: mrdoodzki
Date Posted: 11/18/2013 at 3:47am
i just read the translated article...it was very helpful!! thanks to opinari and totoro, very much appreciated

i have a question though.. the part were looping backspin and top spin was discussed. it mentioned there that when you loop backspin, you have to contact the ball in the top middle of the rubber, or 9-10 oclock part of the rubber, and when you loop topspins you have to contact the ball on the 12oclock part of the rubber. now that confused me a lot, because it really depends on how you look at your paddle to determine which part of it is 9-10 oclock or 12 oclock....
so to make it simple, im gonna ask:

if i look at the forehand side of my paddle and let it stand on its handle, so where is which?? where would "9oclock" or "12oclock" be located on the rubber?? i ask this questions because personally this is extremely important for my forehand loop. answers very much helpful and appreciated

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Posted By: mrdoodzki
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 1:45am
bump

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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 2:13am
The 9-10 o'clock and 12 o'clock is not talking about the the contact point of the rubber.
It is talking about the contact point of the ball.

Now the coach is talking about another player (hence he is looking at 9-10 o'clock)
If you were to look at the ball, while 3 'oclock is facing you and 12 is face up and 6 is facing down, you will need to contact between 2 - 3 o'clock of the ball.

Hope that makes senese?


Posted By: mrdoodzki
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 2:33am
so you mean in looping underspins i have to hit the ball at its 9 oclock part?

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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 2:36am
Originally posted by mrdoodzki mrdoodzki wrote:

so you mean in looping underspins i have to hit the ball at its 9 oclock part?


For the audience watching, it is 9 (if you are on the left and the opponent is on the right, you must contact at 9)

For you, depending how your clock starts, but it is the side facing u and hit in the centre of the ball.




Posted By: V-Griper
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 6:31am
It's a little more about when to hit the ball in terms of how we, in the west would say it. He is basically saying just after top of bounce. You want the ball to fall a little bit but not too far and you don't won't to hit it at top of bounce or before. Those are different shots. How you hit the ball is somewhat dependent on where the ball is during it's trajectory.

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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 6:34am
Yeah, V-Griper, you are right

Mrdoodzki,
What is your query, is just the "o'clock" numbers?


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 6:38am
In that part he is basically saying to open up your blade angle when loopoing underspin compared to counterlooping topspin.   


Posted By: mrdoodzki
Date Posted: 11/19/2013 at 7:35am
funny coz i thought he meant part of the rubber...i applied it yesterday night in the club. i looped every underspin with the 9 oclock part of my rubber (meaning the left-middle part of the rubber, by the way im right handed) and i actually thought my looping of underspin was better and with less effort... in fact looping from oponent's side spin and underspin serves became so much easier

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Posted By: DeadmAn
Date Posted: 02/04/2014 at 5:14pm
That's very useful.
It's hard to translate in English for me....


Posted By: 729 FX
Date Posted: 02/22/2016 at 3:27am
Good translation for those who doesn't understand Chinese.

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