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Topic: OSPblades Forum Testing
Posted By: Gr8GrZ
Subject: OSPblades Forum Testing
Date Posted: 06/09/2010 at 7:23pm
Oldstiga Standard by Palatinus is a private Hungarian TT Brand.

Daniel Kosiba currently plays with one of their handmade blades, as the name suggests, these blades play like old stiga woods. I was offered a private testing and the blade is now mine for the keeping, but I have no use for it so I thought I pass it on to you guys to try and give reviews for the brand/us to read on for study.

"We make custommade blades under the name Palatinus. It is a small manufacture, known of the name of the master Robert Palatinus.
We found out that customers usually cannot wait 4-6 weeks for a custommade rackets and we established our standards. to shrink waiting time. So the name is OSP stands for Oldstiga Standard by Palatinus.

This way we make handmade blades for individual orders with the Palatinus logo and we make standard handmade rackets with OSP logo."

www.oldstiga.com please check it out and register to view their products and very cool vintage stiga/bty catalogs on pdf.

The process is simple, pay for shipping w/tracking (so we dont loose it by mail) to the person that currently has it, test it out 1 to 2 weeks max, reply here with your review and mail it to the next person.

Canada & USA only folks! I want to try to keep this going as long as we can, and the last person, please mail it back to me =)

I have their OSP Virtuoso OFF- racket. (They prefer to call it "controlled offensive" but for marketing purposes its OFF-) Straight Handle.

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Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 06/09/2010 at 9:38pm
Nice site. The old Butterfly catalog brings back memories.

BTW what is the difference between the UTC AN and Modern AN handles?


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Posted By: Gr8GrZ
Date Posted: 06/09/2010 at 10:09pm
Old Stiga handle shape from older stiga blades, anatomical was used by ulf tickan carlsson kind of like modern day peter straight on stiga that is a lil different from normal straight handle. Like ulf, peter preferred his custom handle size. Stiga marketed each handle size with players using that handle shape from their elite sponsored players. Erik lindh had his conic handle named after him on his stiga blades for a while. Other then that i guess no real difference but most stiga handles are thinner as bty is more square and donic is more round.


Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 06/09/2010 at 10:49pm
Maybe a picture of both AN handles side by side will be good.

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Posted By: Gr8GrZ
Date Posted: 06/09/2010 at 10:53pm
Not the point of this thread.


Posted By: doraemon
Date Posted: 06/09/2010 at 10:54pm
Where can I see their line of products?  I mean their standard products with OSP logo, not the custom made ones?


Posted By: Gr8GrZ
Date Posted: 06/09/2010 at 11:00pm
You can order both I believe email them for further info and consultation oldstiga@gmail.com


Posted By: doraemon
Date Posted: 06/09/2010 at 11:02pm
OK, you meant that OSP Virtuoso or other OSP products are not displayed yet in their website.  It will be cool if I can see pictures of them.  Anyway, thank you for your info.


Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 06/09/2010 at 11:59pm
Hello, Gr8GrZ.
Do you have some comments about this blade?How long have you used it and which rubbers,please?

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Posted By: Gr8GrZ
Date Posted: 06/10/2010 at 1:14am
Go to their webpage and register to view the offferings.


Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 06/10/2010 at 1:39am
Originally posted by Gr8GrZ Gr8GrZ wrote:

Go to their webpage and register to view the offferings.
I have registered.Is there a place where I can find some comments about Virtuoso?Thanks

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Posted By: Peter C
Date Posted: 06/10/2010 at 7:30am
The Virtuoso is a well balanced 5.7mm thick, offensive minus 5 ply blade; weighing around 86-88 grams. It's one of three standard handmade blades, made by Oldstiga; in their OSP range.

With regard to build quality; it's a handmade blade built by a master craftsman and built to a higher standard than mass produced blades. There are also some nice touch's; which you appreciate, when you get to play with it.

The shoulders have been rounded off, which is something that the twiddlers  who tried it, appreciated.

The rounded straight handle is solid; very comfortable in the hand and has a light coat of varnish on it, which helps prevent the penetration of sweat into the handle.

Handle dimensions are close to the Stiga Peter handle, with the exception of the chamfer at the top of the handle, which is slightly bigger; than the chamfer on the Peter handle of my 6.8mm Clipper wood.

As a result, I find it more comfortable in the hand, than the Clipper Wood's peter handle.

So how does the Virtuoso play?

The bounce test revealed it has a better feel to it than any modern Stiga I've played in the last few years; which isn't a surprise, as it's described as playing like the old Stiga woods and it definitely lives up to that tag.

The Virtuoso is like a newer version of those old Stiga's, with the same good feel; but built to a higher standard and designed for use with Tenergy and other modern rubbers.

It's a versatile blade and I must admit, i do like the way this blade feels and plays. it is fun to play with.

If I had to compare it to blades people are familiar with, I'd say it possesses the good control, of the Samsonov Alpha and Xiom Fuga, but with a better feel and a better overall performance too.

True it will cost you more than an equivalent mass produced blade; but you get what you pay for; i.e. a high quality hand made offensive minus blade, that has a great feel to it and delivers where it really matters,; i.e. in the way it plays.



p.s. The other two blades that make up the OSP range are:

1) a 5.4mm 5 ply allround plus blade; around 85 grams, which i don't know the name of and only have basic details of.

2) the Ultimate, which is a 5.9mm thick 7 ply offensive blade weighing around 90 grams or more.

I would describe it as a modern take on the classic 6 mm thick Clipper Wood and designed for use with Tenergy and other modern rubbers.

The Ultimate I have weighs 94 grams and it's a more versatile blade; than either of my modern 6.8mm Clipper Woods.

Whilst I think the modern Clipper Wood is a good blade; it's not the equal of the Ultimate; when it comes to feel, build quality or performance; particularly when looping.

I've always considered the Donic Persson Powerplay Senso V1, a better looping blade than the Clipper Wood and the Ultimate in my opinion, outperforms that blade too.

Why? because it performs better with Chinese rubber like TG3 Neo than the Donic blade does.

Like the Virtuoso , the Ultimate is a pleasure to play with too and if I was to choose between them, I'll probably settle on the Ultimate as it is better suited to my game.

Either way, the Virtuoso and Ultimate both have a lot to offer those who are prepared to pay the extra, to own and enjoy playing with a quality hand made blade.


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Posted By: Gr8GrZ
Date Posted: 06/10/2010 at 3:00pm
Peter you the man!


Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 06/10/2010 at 6:42pm
PeterC,thank you for your sharing this info.

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 7:33am
Originally posted by holda holda wrote:

Originally posted by Gr8GrZ Gr8GrZ wrote:

Go to their webpage and register to view the offferings.
I have registered.Is there a place where I can find some comments about Virtuoso?Thanks


Thanks for registering. Our website on OSP rackets will be launched in few days..

Thanks for your patience.

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 7:35am
Originally posted by kelvinyoong kelvinyoong wrote:

Maybe a picture of both AN handles side by side will be good.


Here you are


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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 7:37am
handle dimensions



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Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 8:35am
I have some ideas about Virtuso at present time,yet I haven't t used it all that much.Lately a lot of people have been coming to play so we had very limited time at the table each time.I am very pleased with workmanship and design of Virtuoso.I have a sheet of Joola GP and Stiga Mendo MP attached to the blade.With a rating of OFF-,this blade has more power/speed than some conventional 5 ply blades.Pictures and short video are coming..

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Posted By: takacslaci
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 8:40am
This "Virtuoso" is really good! I've tried it only for a minute with Baracuda 2.0 both sides, but it was really very good! The feeling is similar to the Primorac off-, but this is better!


Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 10:49am
Any Blade Maker bothers to take their time, effort & $$$$$ to design/craft a handle like Ulf Carlsson Anatomic really deserves my praise and respect. I as a matter of fact have tried a lotta Anatomic handled blades, so far only Stiga has, IMHO, consistently made really really comfortable ones and Butterfly to a certain extent does a fabulous job as well, esp. that of thicker SC and Photino but for their thinner blades like TBS, TB series, I think these need to be "bulked" up a bit.
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Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 11:30am
The quality of the Virtuoso looks very good especially with the AN handle.

What type of woods are used for the Virtuoso and the unnamed All Round Plus blade?


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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 1:25pm
Virtuoso is based on the old Stiga combination Limba-Limba-Samba. The allround + racket got dark limba to upper ply called Expert

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Posted By: thethinker
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 3:40pm
No offense but if the testing is just a few days (half week) I for one don't know if I can tell anything too much about the blade yet. If you mean one or two weeks...


Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 3:46pm
www.ospblades.com - Our website has just been launched

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 3:48pm
Originally posted by thethinker thethinker wrote:

No offense but if the testing is just a few days (half week) I for one don't know if I can tell anything too much about the blade yet. If you mean one or two weeks...


We have been testing for 1.5 year. Just ask what are you interested in?

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Posted By: Gr8GrZ
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 5:46pm
I meant 1 to 2 weeks.


Posted By: fzolesz
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 5:53pm
Hi everyone

This my first post here and I liked to read yours.
Because of Palatinus blades I start to comment here as well as in hungarian MyTT www.ppko.hu ,pllsystem's page.
;)

what about me?I've been playing for 15 years,spin oriented mid distance looper, or close to the table hitter if needed :) I like topsin rallies far from the table..

So after glue ban decided to change my old Johannson stiga to a faster blade like most of players did.
I Have tried more than 50 blades (energy wood,Donic WSC,TBALC,TBS,Korbel,Fuga ...etc.) for shorter or longer period, and after some BTY classic(Forte, primorac) I found a BOMB :)
This is palatinus blade!!
I have had three before in shorter time but
could'nt made a deal them, because i don't like walnut wood (offensive stiga replica) nor koto (mentioned Kosiba 's blade) as much as Limba.
I had some ideas what am looking for but I was informed there will be some new models soon the OSP standards...I've been waiting and i got what i really wanted.

I've tested the three models Expert,Virtuoso and Ultimate.I decided to use OFF- further.

So I've been using my own Virtuoso ST for almost 2 months.
These is suits me well, I've tried it with Donic Coppa gold,Joola Phénix and T05(oil tuned) and now with T64.
It has crisp feeling and good sweet spot with tenergy for me.
I can loop with lots of spin, but I can made hard topspins as well far from the table as well.
There is no problem to make short receives or flick. If you are topspin oriented player not just a hitter but with lots of spin Virtouso is yours.
The most important for me these blades have the feel of oldstiga's but matches with the modern style of TT.
I like the feedbacks it doesn't vibrate it kicks tothe ball a hard if you want but it is still delicate if you shorten.
All of these OSP blades dropp,or block shots are excellent and also unpleasant for your partner.

About three months earlier I took a record with playing the OSP expert with tenergy05/coppa gold...I uploaded it to a videosite...if You want I can show it later ;)

I wrote longer tests for palatinus and pllsystem later may you can read them on the website.

I hope my post has helped..but just feel free to ask ;)

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Posted By: takacslaci
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 6:46pm
I've tried OSP Expert and Ultimate for some hours of training, with a pair of Tenergy 05 and with a pair of Joola Express X-plode . The Expert is relative flexible, and is good for "normal", and "special" topspin movement players too. It had a high throw topspin with Joola Express X-plode, and spinny topspin. I did't find it good with Tenergy, in my opinion, it is not rigid enough for it. With X-plode, or with glued Sriver-Fx, for example, you can use your wrist a lot, the blade will respond, and do what you've imagined.
With the ultimate, this is just the opposite. The Ultimate is rigid, not flexible, but really fast, if you hit the ball hard. In the first minutes my shortening strokes had gone into the net. In some ways this blade was better for Tenergy, than with the X-plode, in my opinion, but it was a bit heavy. You must have really good footwork, if you want to play with the Ultimate, and you must be brave in offense. Than, you can hit very effective shots and point-winning topspins with good spin.
Both blade are good in their playing style category.


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 9:37pm
Originally posted by Peter C Peter C wrote:

The Virtuoso is a well balanced 5.7mm thick, offensive minus 5 ply blade; weighing around 86-88 grams. It's one of three standard handmade blades, made by Oldstiga; in their OSP range.

With regard to build quality; it's a handmade blade built by a master craftsman and built to a higher standard than mass produced blades. There are also some nice touch's; which you appreciate, when you get to play with it.

The shoulders have been rounded off, which is something that the twiddlers  who tried it, appreciated.

The rounded straight handle is solid; very comfortable in the hand and has a light coat of varnish on it, which helps prevent the penetration of sweat into the handle.

Handle dimensions are close to the Stiga Peter handle, with the exception of the chamfer at the top of the handle, which is slightly bigger; than the chamfer on the Peter handle of my 6.8mm Clipper wood.

As a result, I find it more comfortable in the hand, than the Clipper Wood's peter handle.

So how does the Virtuoso play?

The bounce test revealed it has a better feel to it than any modern Stiga I've played in the last few years; which isn't a surprise, as it's described as playing like the old Stiga woods and it definitely lives up to that tag.

The Virtuoso is like a newer version of those old Stiga's, with the same good feel; but built to a higher standard and designed for use with Tenergy and other modern rubbers.

It's a versatile blade and I must admit, i do like the way this blade feels and plays. it is fun to play with.

If I had to compare it to blades people are familiar with, I'd say it possesses the good control, of the Samsonov Alpha and Xiom Fuga, but with a better feel and a better overall performance too.

True it will cost you more than an equivalent mass produced blade; but you get what you pay for; i.e. a high quality hand made offensive minus blade, that has a great feel to it and delivers where it really matters,; i.e. in the way it plays.



p.s. The other two blades that make up the OSP range are:

1) a 5.4mm 5 ply allround plus blade; around 85 grams, which i don't know the name of and only have basic details of.

2) the Ultimate, which is a 5.9mm thick 7 ply offensive blade weighing around 90 grams or more.

I would describe it a modern update of the classic thinner Clipper, with the same good feel and designed for use with Tenergy and other modern rubbers.

The Ultimate I have weighs 94 grams and it's a more versatile blade; than either of my modern 6.8mm Clipper Woods.

Whilst I think the modern Clipper Wood is a good blade; it's not the equal of the Ultimate; when it comes to feel, build quality or performance; particularly when looping.

I've always considered the Donic Persson Powerplay Senso V1, a better looping blade than the Clipper Wood and the Ultimate in my opinion, outperforms that blade too.

Why? because it performs better with Chinese rubber like TG3 Neo than the Donic blade does.

Like the Virtuoso , the Ultimate is a pleasure to play with too and if I was to choose between them, I'll probably settle on the Ultimate as it is better suited to my game.

Either way, the Virtuoso and Ultimate both have a lot to offer those who are prepared to pay the extra, to own and enjoy playing with a quality hand made blade.
 
People keep buying what they heard about.
 
About Palatinus wood blades, most of the impressions related to quality and feeling in the sense of old stigas in the post above, were told before. It is difficult to find better classic wood blades in the market. And it is a pleasure to play with those blades.
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 06/11/2010 at 10:33pm
Ejmaster, have you tried the Virtuoso? could you please compare Virtuoso with Acoustic/Violin/Korbel?
Interms of Speed, control and feel.



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Posted By: Peter C
Date Posted: 06/12/2010 at 5:03am
Ejmaster

I agree the old 1970's Stiga's are some of the best classic blades to play with.

The good news is some of the hand made blades available on the market, from the likes of :

1) Palatinus, Old Stiga
2) Ulmo blades
3) Tischtennis Manufactur.de

are in my opinion the equal of those old Stiga's in the way they feel and play.

I learnt to loop with a 1976 Offensive wood , with 1.5mm Mark V and I've also been lucky enough to play quite a bit with two 1970's Allround classics in recent years as well.

Sadly the offensive classic and offensive classic WRB, that I've tried in the last two years were decent blades; but didn't feel as good to play with, as my old 1976 Offensive Wood did.




Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 06/12/2010 at 5:34am
It would be very interesting to find out how the OSP Virtuoso compares to the Nexy Color.



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Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 06/12/2010 at 11:28am
I saw the OSP Ultimate which is 7 ply blade is very thin. The thickness is 0.1 mm thicker than Virtuoso. 5.7mm vs 5.8 mm.
How is the 7 ply compared to the 5 ply for looping?
Is it still good enough to loop? If it's only the speed diff, I might consider to try the 7 ply too.
I found Clipper isn't for me, too stiff and not a good blade to loop.


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Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 06/12/2010 at 4:12pm
Originally posted by Peter C Peter C wrote:

Ejmaster

I agree the old 1970's Stiga's are some of the best classic blades to play with.

The good news is some of the hand made blades available on the market, from the likes of :

1) Palatinus, Old Stiga
2) Ulmo blades
3) Tischtennis Manufactur.de

are in my opinion the equal of those old Stiga's in the way they feel and play.

I learnt to loop with a 1976 Offensive wood , with 1.5mm Mark V and I've also been lucky enough to play quite a bit with two 1970's Allround classics in recent years as well.

Sadly the offensive classic and offensive classic, that I've tried in the last two years were decent blades; but didn't feel as good to play, with as my old 1976 Offensive Wood did.


 
Hi peter,
 
In 1997 in the Manchester world singles championship wang liquin played with a stiga off classic master handle and some years before.
 
That was my main blade for some years and keep on being one of the best blades i have. I have some pictures and testing comparison in my picassa album. those old stiga off have little to do with the modern off classic.
 
And i also played with the old stiga allround.
 
The big surprise is when i find the sn465 made by Palatinus. even better feeling without disturbing vibration than an empowered old stiga allround.
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 06/12/2010 at 5:18pm
93 g with Chinese rubbers (Haifu or Neo Pro) is almost 200 grams.

Vibration is feedback, not disturbance.


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Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 06/12/2010 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

93 g with Chinese rubbers (Haifu or Neo Pro) is almost 200 grams.

Vibration is feedback, not disturbance.
 
There is good vibration with feedback and there is disturbance vibration. 2 different things.


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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 06/12/2010 at 10:19pm
I have to agree that AN handle on old Stiga Ulf Karlsson blade is probably the best I ever played.


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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/13/2010 at 3:37am
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34935&PN=1 - Here you are our first Ultimate review here

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Posted By: fzolesz
Date Posted: 06/13/2010 at 3:38am
Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

93 g with Chinese rubbers (Haifu or Neo Pro) is almost 200 grams.Vibration is feedback, not disturbance.

 

There is good vibration with feedback and there is disturbance vibration. 2 different things.


I agree with, But I think these palatinus OSP blades and offcourse the custommades are not vibrating.
This way i call it a good Kick wich is helps not disturbs....vibration is longer and that is a disturbaace.

For example Old Stiga off with 5.2 thickness is vibrating!!

Palatinus blades have power cure so these are have only one kick and I think this is the best feedback into your palm and brain :)
So I always know what i want to do and enjoy the game with virtuoso ;)


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Virtuoso spare one..
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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/13/2010 at 3:52am
Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

I saw the OSP Ultimate which is 7 ply blade is very thin. The thickness is 0.1 mm thicker than Virtuoso. 5.7mm vs 5.8 mm.How is the 7 ply compared to the 5 ply for looping?Is it still good enough to loop? If it's only the speed diff, I might consider to try the 7 ply too.I found Clipper isn't for me, too stiff and not a good blade to loop.


Believe us its enough :) Due to handmade processes we can work like companies cannot work. In the other side we are fully aware of the fact that we have 2 models that cannot cover all of the demands... we still develop blades. In July Expert will come for ols Stiga lovers, then we plan a cpenholder (because cpen is not only a handle but a style) and a beginner racket (because a kid has different biometric)

Anyway it would be fine from you to collect why players like thick blades.. we will see then how much your list similar to ours :)

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Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 06/13/2010 at 4:50am
Originally posted by PLLsystem PLLsystem wrote:



Believe us its enough :) Due to handmade processes we can work like companies cannot work. In the other side we are fully aware of the fact that we have 2 models that cannot cover all of the demands... we still develop blades. In July Expert will come for ols Stiga lovers, then we plan a cpenholder (because cpen is not only a handle but a style) and a beginner racket (because a kid has different biometric)

Anyway it would be fine from you to collect why players like thick blades.. we will see then how much your list similar to ours :)


I just want to advise you to make +/- 5 gr weight range for Virtuoso and Ultimate. The one who like lighter can pick the light one, the one who like heavier can pick the heavier one.

I'm hoping to get heavier Virtuoso without paying more for custom made blade. But 87 gr is ok Tongue


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 06/13/2010 at 10:13am
Originally posted by fzolesz fzolesz wrote:

Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

93 g with Chinese rubbers (Haifu or Neo Pro) is almost 200 grams.Vibration is feedback, not disturbance.

 

There is good vibration with feedback and there is disturbance vibration. 2 different things.


I agree with, But I think these palatinus OSP blades and offcourse the custommades are not vibrating.
This way i call it a good Kick wich is helps not disturbs....vibration is longer and that is a disturbaace.

For example Old Stiga off with 5.2 thickness is vibrating!!

Palatinus blades have power cure so these are have only one kick and I think this is the best feedback into your palm and brain :)
So I always know what i want to do and enjoy the game with virtuoso ;)
 
I agree, and that is one of the good things i found about the sn465.


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Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 06/13/2010 at 12:24pm
The blades are really beautiful, especially handles. The outer Limba grain and the apparent craftmanship look really superior quality. I just wonder why you chose such long shape ? 158 and 159mm must make them really head heavy, doesn't it ? If you stick heavy tenergies on it, it shall be even head heavier...? Also, a 7 plies 5.9mm thick, isn't it too thin ? What is the benefit of having such a thin 7 ply racket ? Why not making a thicker 5 ply, if you want to increase stiffness and speed ?
One reviewer presents (if I got it right...) ultimate as a slower clipper. Do you confirm ?
 
Edit : Sorry, also forgot to ask, ELCON handle shape really looks like conical Kjell Johansson. Is that it ?


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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/13/2010 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:


I just want to advise you to make +/- 5 gr weight range for Virtuoso and Ultimate. The one who like lighter can pick the light one, the one who like heavier can pick the heavier one.I'm hoping to get heavier Virtuoso without paying more for custom made blade. But 87 gr is ok Tongue


+- 5g????? overall 10g???? It is more than 11% man :O We are far more precise..

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/13/2010 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by jcdi jcdi wrote:

The blades are really beautiful, especially handles. The outer Limba grain and the apparent craftmanship look really superior quality. I just wonder why you chose such long shape ? 158 and 159mm must make them really head heavy, doesn't it ? If you stick heavy tenergies on it, it shall be even head heavier...? Also, a 7 plies 5.9mm thick, isn't it too thin ? What is the benefit of having such a thin 7 ply racket ? Why not making a thicker 5 ply, if you want to increase stiffness and speed ?
One reviewer presents (if I got it right...) ultimate as a slower clipper. Do you confirm ?

 

Edit : Sorry, also forgot to ask, ELCON handle shape really looks like conical Kjell Johansson. Is that it ?


TBS = 158/5.7, Clipper = 159, HK = 158/5.5... it is not by chance.

Thin or not thin is question of approach. For us it is not thin. In my approach Ultimate is not slower than Clipper and we can start which you mean "fast" when the racket is solid as a rock, or kicks like a spring. Clipper is solid as a rock, high bending strength, Ultimate is a bit more comfortable but its is not a Clipper clone so we dont intend to compete Clipper.

ELCON = Erik Lindh Conic (a bit thicker than Johansson... unforunately forgotten by manufacturers

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Posted By: Peter C
Date Posted: 06/13/2010 at 5:19pm
JCDI

The OSP Ultimate feels around the same speed, during play; as my 6.8mm Clipper Wood.

I'm basing that on my experience of playing with 2.15mm TG3 Neo and H3 NEO, on both blades. As well as getting the opinions of friends who've also tried the Ultimate too.





Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 06/13/2010 at 10:40pm
Originally posted by PLLsystem PLLsystem wrote:


+- 5g????? overall 10g???? It is more than 11% man :O We are far more precise..


Ups, sorry Big%20smile
What I mean is from 87-92 gr range. so + 5 gr Embarrassed


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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/14/2010 at 11:23am


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a8vBiO9Wl0 - we started how it made videoseries

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Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 06/14/2010 at 6:08pm
Ok,here is my small contribution.A video clip I made the same day after receiving the blade from Hungary.I am in the US.My current rating is around 1600+/-50,which is not high by any means.Though I have played pretty regularly over the past 6 years I had only some coaching as a kid-so really,realy long tome ago.I am a close to the table player.I try to execute all strokes,but I mostly use ball placement/blocking/flat hits.Top spin/side spin hate me as much I do them,but still some days I am in better shape than other times.Any way,here is what I think may be part 1 -short video clip,
http://www.youtube.com/user/zyk227#p/a/u/0/I5fKhJKKlYM



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Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 06/15/2010 at 12:35pm
Anyone know how the OSP Virtuoso plays with classic rubbers like Sriver or Mark V?

How is the throw of the Virtuoso? Low or medium.


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Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 06/15/2010 at 3:55pm
Originally posted by kelvinyoong kelvinyoong wrote:

Anyone know how the OSP Virtuoso plays with classic rubbers like Sriver or Mark V?How is the throw of the Virtuoso? Low or medium.
medium-medium high,good dwell time,still has good wood combination for flat hitting.looping can be executed with no problem.i think sriver family will be a good choice even if you don't speed glue-these blades have very powerful combination of wood laminas-speed-wise Virtuso is as fast as Acoustic from Nittaku

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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 06/15/2010 at 10:48pm
I played on last Sunday for 2 hours with OSP Virtuoso An. w/2 used rbrs - Joola Tango 2.0? & Haifu BW 2 "given" to me by a nice/generous member here. I slapped on the rbrs on Sat. afternoon n left the combo sitting on the deck for most of the night sorta to "kill" the SG stench & effect (1 layer, not too generous amount, as I dun have WB glue).
To my surprise the combo's overall weight was only 173.5g.
It was so easy/joy to play with and I was expecting it to be as good as my last 91g used Acoustic ST w/some cheapie Chinese Rbrs & hoping that it would be as good or close to some of my previous/present blades/combos, e.g. H-3-9 ST, Photino FL, TBS & what have u or u name it....
It is in fact, in a way, better than my last Acoustic, way way better than most if not all of my above-mentioned.
I'm not gonna write any review here, at least not yet, not after ONLY 2 hours of play. It deserves to be played/enjoyed more for me to gather my thoughts to compile more for even begin to sit dwn & write my review. Big%20smile
My 1st thought after only a good 15 mins or so was like....Wow, hey...I could loop well, FH/BH, block, push/flick well with it...how did this maker come up with/manage to make this "gem" so well FOR me?
I could do a lotta things right, including my Ma Long's  Big%20smile kinda BH which I've been dying to try to do better with all those expensive, well..most of my blades are actually less than 100.00 each, only couple of exceptions.
I could actually "feel" the ball with whatever shots I made, I thought, yeah...may be these rbrs helped and yet these are not even the latest/greatest/more expensive tuned/pre-tuned rubbers.
Another thing is that it has min. or neglegible flex/vibration which I really enjoyed unlike that of PKorbel of similar weight, may be this is what they call it "Sweet Vibration"?
I'd say this Virtuoso is in the neighbourhood of OFF-/OFF, it has quite a high pitch sound when hitting no matter what kinda of shots I made, it couldn't be SG effect as it was already hours & hours after 1 not too generous layer of Glue.
Pushing/Flicking/receiving serves FH/BH or shot game were easy and effortless and so enjoyable....
Yeah...Holda was right to say that the throw is Med/Med-high at best and to be honest I thoroughly enjoyed looping FH/BH w/it. I'm a HUGH fan of Petr Korbel's BH flicking/receiving of serves so is my Czech old buddy, Vlady and he said, "wow....U seemed to enjoy/make alotta that particular trick, that blade really helped u today, eh?"
Smashing, well...i didn't get to do alot in that 2, too short, hours as I had to rush out for some urgent appointment.
Just can't wait to play it again and hopefully I could slap on some good, greatest/latest rbrs but kinda reluctant/hesitant to do so cuz. I still prefer rbrs like Sriver L/EL or may be this blade deserves to be spoiled/slapped on by these rbrs?
Who knows?
More to come, may be after this coming weekend?
As a result of my last weekend's 2 hours fun, this Virtuoso deserves to be my " Signature"...Thumbs%20Up


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Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 06/15/2010 at 11:00pm
Tiehwen,I think you will also love it with more powerful rubbers,just those that may be harder a bit.Palatinus devised this model to be OFF-,but with the intent to compensate for the glue ban.So I really think Virtuoso should be rated OFF.I have seen my shots to be "loopier" even with Joola Gp,which is soft very rubber with excellent grip.Between Virtuoso and P.Korbel, the former is more powerful and stable,stiffer blade.

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/17/2010 at 2:54am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrQcOV45hLo - Our latest OSP video

Thanks all of you buying/testing OSP blades. Many of you asked about there is no shipping cost details at our website. Let me explain that: For the first 100 blades we offered free shipping.

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Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 06/17/2010 at 3:20am
Does OSP blades need sealing or is this already done on site?

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/17/2010 at 10:03am
You can seal it if you want. I am sure many of users will seal it and will smoothen the edges. It is regular use.
But we endevour to make high quality racket with stable surface that need no sealing.

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Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 06/18/2010 at 4:52pm
Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Ejmaster, have you tried the Virtuoso? could you please compare Virtuoso with Acoustic/Violin/Korbel?Interms of Speed, control and feel.

Hey,Peter.
I think Virtuoso is closer to P.Korbel from Butterfly.
Acoustic/Violin are too different,in my opinion.
While Virtuoso is a 5 ply,like Korbel,it is stiffer(I thought Virtuoso was a thicker blade initially,but not true-Virtuoso is 5.7mm thick while Korbel is 5.89mm) and faster.The Virtuoso that I have got smaller dimensions ,but still with nice weight balance shifted to the handle.Being moderately stiff and having good dwell time,one can execute
top spin shots very easily.Korbel is famous for that ,too,but in my opinion Korbel has softer wood veneers and so less powerful as a result.To compensate for this one would really like to have expensive modern rubbers,while with Virtuoso rubber range can be much more expanded.
Virtuoso is made very well-no rough edges,nicely finished/partially laquered by the maker.It could be a blade for anyone from the novice to highly advanced player.My Virtuoso sample is as fast as Acoustic from Nittaku,just softer.And when strike the ball the racket sounds like one cracks nuts.I would probably like it to be just slightly heavier and may be bit stiffer/less dwell time.Overall,great design/quality/playing characteristics.Plus,blade handle can be customized to fit wider hands.I love the conic handle design which is not available from other manufactures.
As said earlier this is a modern offensive blade,some people might classify it as off-, I put in off group.Control is excellent,no questions about it.
Note:since some players aren't too worried about speed glue ban-good for them,but I strongly recommend to potential buyers to use wood sealant.Outer plies are nicely finished so to keep the blade intact water based glue needs to be used carefully as someone suggested-wait
until glue becomes transparent/dries completely.


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Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 06/18/2010 at 5:24pm
Originally posted by holda holda wrote:

Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Ejmaster, have you tried the Virtuoso? could you please compare Virtuoso with Acoustic/Violin/Korbel?Interms of Speed, control and feel.

Hey,Peter.
I think Virtuoso is closer to P.Korbel from Butterfly.
Acoustic/Violin are too different,in my opinion.
While Virtuoso is a 5 ply,like Korbel,it is stiffer(possibly due to being slightly thicker) and faster.The Virtuoso that I have got larger dimensions ,but still with nice weight balance shifted to the handle.Being moderately stiff and having good dwell time,one can execute
top spin shots very easily.Korbel is famous for that ,too,but in my opinion Korbel has softer wood veneers and so less powerful as a result.To compensate for this one would really like to have expensive modern rubbers,while with Virtuoso rubber range can be much more expanded.
Virtuoso is made very well-no rough edges,nicely finished/partially laquered by the maker.It could be a blade for anyone from the novice to highly advanced player.My Virtuoso sample is as fast as Acoustic from Nittaku,just softer.And when strike the ball the racket sounds like one cracks nuts.I would probably like it to be just slightly heavier and may be bit stiffer/less dwell time.Overall,great design/quality/playing characteristics.Plus,blade handle can be customized to fit wider hands.I love the conic handle design which is not available from other manufactures.
As said earlier this is a modern offensive blade,some people might classify it as off-, I put in off group.Control is excellent,no questions about it.
Note:since some players aren't too worried about speed glue ban-good for them,but I strongly recommend to potential buyers to use wood sealant.Outer plies are nicely finished so to keep the blade intact water based glue needs to be used carefully as someone suggested-wait
until glue becomes transparent/dries completely.
 
I do not have Virtuoso but when i read the thread feedback about the Virtuoso blade, a similar feeling comes when i talked about the sn465.
 
But i have some questions:
 
Dont you think a lot of people would play with that blade better than with some others?.
 
Dont you think it is a pleasure to have a good blade from amateur to high level than ejing too much?.
 
Do you consider the blade outstanding in the present wood blade market offering?.
 
Maybe some comments about the sn465 blade though biased (a label), were not so far from reality?.    
 
The last question is related to people who label to discredit.


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Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 06/18/2010 at 6:01pm
One can play with anything,EJM,but having something nice is always enjoyable.I know(we all do)-many Asian players/some European prefer simple trusted CLipper,Offensive CR and other like.Table tennis has shown there is fashion in it and many of us ejs.I think if you find a suitable blade for yourself and you see progress in your game,what is more to wish?I was initially unhappy with not being able to play BH shots with some blade I had bought .I wasn't able to just be comfortable when playing my first a couple of rackets.I went through a large number of blades,but I got
a Violin and that should have been the end of search for me.I suddenly realized I liked trying other blades.I have said-enough,enough,but continued fooling around with other blades.
Someone said whatever best out there there is that is what you should play with.I agree and disagree with the statement.Not everyone is fortunate as to try all that is now available on the market,but I think a nice suitable blade is a must have.
Virtuoso is
crafted individually ,so yes,of course,it is build to higher standarts as opposed to mass produced blades.
I have been very satisfied with its performance,design,playing characteristics,so I yes,it is pleasure to play with it.
I think Virtuoso is well build and offers more than traditional blades I have held in my hands.I think whoever trys this model may also be interested in trying a 7 ply blade made by the maker.I am...

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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 06/18/2010 at 7:52pm
Originally posted by holda holda wrote:

.....I was initially unhappy with not being able to play BH shots with some blade I had bought initially.......Coincidently I've the same experience/issue/problem here. With Virtuoso last weekend, it was just right there, just right On & on......Thumbs%20Up
Virtuoso is crafted individually....it is built to higher standard as opposed to mass produced blades. Just look @ the pic. of PKorbel FL posted by Austin in the "Picture of yoUR blades" topic....don't forget as his PK was bought brand new as well...what a contrast compared to the pic. of Virtuoso I posted b4 his...
I have been very satisfied with its performance,design,playing characteristics, so I yes, it is pleasure to play with it. It sure is....
I think Virtuoso is well built and it offers more than traditional blades I have held in my hands. I think whoever has already tried this model may also be interested in trying a 7 ply blade made by the maker. I am...Nah...not me at least not yet.....


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Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 06/18/2010 at 10:31pm
Originally posted by holda holda wrote:


Hey,Peter.
I think Virtuoso is closer to P.Korbel from Butterfly.
Acoustic/Violin are too different,in my opinion.
While Virtuoso is a 5 ply,like Korbel,it is stiffer(I thought Virtuoso was a thicker blade initially,but not true-Virtuoso is 5.7mm thick while Korbel is 5.89mm) and faster.The Virtuoso that I have got smaller dimensions ,but still with nice weight balance shifted to the handle.Being moderately stiff and having good dwell time,one can execute
top spin shots very easily.Korbel is famous for that ,too,but in my opinion Korbel has softer wood veneers and so less powerful as a result.To compensate for this one would really like to have expensive modern rubbers,while with Virtuoso rubber range can be much more expanded.
Virtuoso is made very well-no rough edges,nicely finished/partially laquered by the maker.It could be a blade for anyone from the novice to highly advanced player.My Virtuoso sample is as fast as Acoustic from Nittaku,just softer.And when strike the ball the racket sounds like one cracks nuts.I would probably like it to be just slightly heavier and may be bit stiffer/less dwell time.Overall,great design/quality/playing characteristics.Plus,blade handle can be customized to fit wider hands.I love the conic handle design which is not available from other manufactures.
As said earlier this is a modern offensive blade,some people might classify it as off-, I put in off group.Control is excellent,no questions about it.
Note:since some players aren't too worried about speed glue ban-good for them,but I strongly recommend to potential buyers to use wood sealant.Outer plies are nicely finished so to keep the blade intact water based glue needs to be used carefully as someone suggested-wait
until glue becomes transparent/dries completely.


If it's close to Petr Korbel it's good then. I don't like the big head size and slim ST handle of PK, feels head heavy.
I already ordered Virtuoso FL handle, it looks big and comfortable Wink
Yes sealing a thin coat is necessary if anyone want to use waterbase glue.
But Violin doesn't need sealing at all, no problem.

Virtuoso seems to made for Glue ban, suitable for Tenergy, let's see if it's really a good combo.


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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 06/18/2010 at 11:17pm
Originally posted by tiehwen tiehwen wrote:

OS Palatinus Virtuoso UTC An. Joola Tango FH, Haifu BW2 BH http://mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17089 -


What is the best rubber match so far for Virtuoso? What D is your BW2?

I ordered a Virtuoso and a custom made 7-ply flexible Off blade. Will report back when they arrive in resp. 1 and 6 weeks. Communication so far is good. The only question not answered was the type of veneers they are going to use for my custom made blade. But probably this is classified information... Smile

BTW, anybody tell us something about sn491 - composition, feel, speed and control.

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/20/2010 at 11:58am
Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:


The only question not answered was the type of veneers they are going to use for my custom made blade. But probably this is classified information... Smile


You asked about the lamina, not the veneers :) that was answered... Your custommade racket will have koto outer ply. The others are really not for public ;)

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/22/2010 at 2:51am
Unfortunatelly our website is down due to hacker attacks. Our server switched to defensive mode until the certain IP-s filtered. You can read "Your account is suspended" message that is regular in this case. You can mail or PM me directly.

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/22/2010 at 12:40pm
We are back... thanks for your patience

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/25/2010 at 12:53pm
Hi all, we recenty noticed that some of our testrackets have been traded. We are glad to achieve that because it seems we stepped to that level. Besides that it is very good since testers provide that opportunity for other and we can have more and more feedback.

Please consider that we have never sold testrackets with the old OSP logo. In sum testrackets differ in the logo only.


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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 06/25/2010 at 6:33pm

It was quite a surprise to receive this blade in the mail few weeks ago.

 

OldStiga Standard Palatinus 5 ply All Wood Anatomic (Ulf “Tickan” Carlsson style) handle

Blade weighs 86.5g.


First Impression:

The craftsmanship and finishing is just nice. Not overly conspicuous and it doesn’t have any attention-seeking look with sophisticated graphics or multiple colors, just plain, boring and simple as one might say but to me personally, its simplicity alone already caught my full/earnest attention. Its head or face reminds me that of Clipper/All Round Evolution. The blade came already lightly sealed, it looks like it’s been sun-tanned. I could still feel that there are some minor rough edges and upon close inspection, I could see that the handle where it joins the head, seems to have a hairline gap/void, if one thinks that some Stiga blades are not well put together, well, this one is better but not as immaculate as Butterfly, Donic or Xiom or other leading brands. To me, it doesn’t really matter at all as the Limba outer plies seemed to be of the highest quality as its grains are so distinct, it’s already to me “Graphical” enough.

The Anatomic handle is as good as Stiga Clipper’s and some of my Butterfly’s, I like it as much as my Photino’s, SC’s which are thick, “meaty” and I always use these two as my Benchmark, but not the KLPSP’ & TBS’s as these two are just too thin for my liking. The “prints” on the OSP Virtuoso handle seemed to be smudged while the “maker” was printing on it, it therefore doesn’t look as good as the “Golden” color of the later batch. Again, if I paid HUGE bucks for it, I would’ve returned it for an exchange, yet this one was just 1 out of PLLSystem’s 1st initial batch and it’s for me to test play, it doesn’t matter as most of the Stigas I came across over the years looked more awful than this.

 

 

Rubbers Info.:
FH: Joola Tango 2.0 Red, Used & with Glued Residue
BH: Haifu BW II Pre-tuned, Used, Max, I think, as there is no thickness info. on the sponge.

Overall weight of this Combo: 173.5g



Counter-hitting / Blocking:
For Flat Hitting:

Nice cracking, crispy sound yet not as loud or pronounced as my other/last/previous blades, i.e. Old SC, 91g Acoustic, TBS, KLHSp or even my favorite Photino yet louder than another of my all time favorites, Tibhar H-3-9. It feels less stiff than all the above-mentioned, but I felt that it has quite a sweet spot compared to the others but not as nice/large as H-3-9. It has the typical woody sound but with an added sweeter kind of tone unlike that of Acoustic or other pure 5 ply (Pkorbel) which I’ve tried and still own. The control is, well, just fabulous and I thought I could just go on & on and that it’s THE blade that makes me NOT thinking about…..”wooooo…I’m playing with THE blade of ALL blades and I’ve got to be careful and not hit the table by accident”. It’s just a confidence-inducing blade as far as I’m concerned. Really really put a smile on my face every time I hit or blocked.


For Blocking:

It was a breeze both FH and BH, whether active or passive but not as “instantaneous” as more expensive or famous blades like SC, Photino, TBS or even KLHSp. In a way, it reminds me of my last but seasoned 91g Acoustic with some glued DHS rubbers, not as fast as those greatest but faster than Pkorbel, AR Stellan Bengsston, AR Evolution, it felt better than YEO as good as my friend’s WCS Senso V1 w/Tibhar Nimbus Medium on BH yet slightly more confident both FH & BH almost right on par with H-3-9 with IQ 35d 2.0mm.

FH/BH Looping/Drive:
I like FH looping/smashing/Driving a lot, I was pretty happy with that versatile Pkorbel until a Photino came along and it was a pure/pleasant joy/surprise to find out that I could actually do more, as it’s more power, stable, faster yet controllable, I pretty much stopped my EJ quest for my Illusive, the ONE. How does this Virtuoso stand while comparing with Photino? Well, pretty well, I’d say, slower, dwell time longer, not as spiny yet adequate for my liking/purpose. It’s not quite there yet in the Speed/Power spectrum still I just thoroughly enjoyed what I could accomplish w/the OSP or may be even more if I could upgrade my FH rubber to, ermmm….just dunno what, when or ever as $$$$ is the issue here. This OSP V does have lots of control and nice feedback. I could in a way, do pretty much well playing fast /slow loops vs DEF opponent (Vlady, my partner likes FH/bh chopping a lot as well and he’s a good chopper too.) So loop drive/slow spiny loop are no problem there.
BH looping/drive is my most favourite way to enjoy this blade. It’s easier and more controllable than with my 84g (blade only) Photino combo set-up. The shot went slower/spiny and may be longer more often and the arc went high near the end of the table and that was a pleasant surprise, I must say…..Vlady said a few times, “WTF…I thought these BH shots you made few times were too long beyond the table..These were supposedly out?”
Just so enjoyable, reminds me the good times I had w/my 1982 Stiga AR w/ Tackiness Drive BH plus 38mm ball era long time ago, all those BH Drives went in, in and in most of the times vs my old classmate who played vs me with his old Jpen.

BH/FH Pushing:
More delicate/controllable compared to, in the speed department, the two Photino and H-3-9 set-ups, it was very noticeable esp. in the short game/flipping BH, FH. Serves were as good as H-3-9, may be with a little more control, slower and a tad spinnier. For FH/BH rallies, I was more consistent, able to stay on the table for longer time. Just so enjoyable.

Final thought/Conclusion:
Would this be my main blade from now on? Would I be feeling sorry to demote my 2 favourites, H-3-9 & Photino?
Oh Yes & Nope!

Would I spend huge amount of money to acquire this? Yes, but I’d have to unload some of my gems for just this or IT.

Would my EJ Quest/days be over for good? Very likely YES, as I don’t see anything interesting out there for that equal amount of $$$$$.

Would I pass this Virtuoso on to others to have a crack at it? I don’t think so..

Would I return this Virtuoso to Laszlo, PLLSystem upon his request? Nah…Fat Chance. I’m gonna keep it for the NEXT 25 years at least. There's no way I'm gonna sell or trade this away....

Would I be playing better and better from now on? Hah….Don’t think so or Do I ever care?

All in all, IMHO, this is just a gem and to be honest, I’ve not touched other blades for 3 solid weeks…that’s really quite unusual for an EJ or now past EJ like me.

I might have said things/BS repeatedly in my so-called “Review”, If I did, please forgive OR just ignore me as English is my 3rd language. I might come back to this thread to fix my mistakes tho’ in due course/next or future re-visits.

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Posted By: fzolesz
Date Posted: 06/27/2010 at 8:09am
Hy everyone made a test for ultimate as well 

OSP Ultimate

 

I got the Offensive 7ply wood from the new OSP (oldtiga by palatinus) blades

Size: 158x150 ,91 gr, 5.8 mm , ST balanced…littlebit headheavy

Forehand: Tenergy 05 2,1  (oil tuned )

Backhand: Roundell 2.1 (rather shabby)

 

First of all i want to describe the main elements, after a summary and impressions on a match.

 

Chop:

 

Chopping is punctual even with the tuned tenergy.

If i wanted to make heavy chops i had to make faster strokes with my wrist, beacause it feels  sometimes more bouncy then expected. But after some mistake i could gave very hard spins.

 

Counter:

 

Counter is not a difficult element and can be expected for a blade not to take more mistakes.

With this ultimate the tenergy feels harder but even more punctual then i thought, the combo feels little hitter setup, but still good. You don’ have to be hard this works form itself.

 

Drop,Blocking:

 

Shorter dropps are not so easy with this but this not designsed for passive game its sure.

But blocking a little bit away about 40 cm far is a heaven i could place the ball with ease and it was unpleasent because of lower arc.

If i push it little like close to table counterspin but just wrist stroke it was’nt gave back.

My partner said : „You could do that ? Nice”

Nor am I thouhgt that it is so easy to make harder blocks like Maze sometimes

 

Topspin against chopped ball:

 

Beacuse of lower arc you must pull the arm little bit more vertically but not too uncomfortable way.

It gave a lot of spin with lower arc and slower speed but the ball is going fater down after touching the table.

It was more unpleasent than i thought. I have to say this is nor my strenght

 

Topspin against block,topspin against topspin:

 

Dinamyc topspins is a modern hitter loop and feels like your still using fresh glued sriver fx :)

I could make very fast topspins to end of the table…with high amount of spin.

Hard and spinny bachand topspins could be carried out with little wrist moves.

I could make backhand shots as well if wanted.

 

Serve,Receive

 

I could make serves with lot of spins but chopped serves wasn’t so easy, instead i gave empty serves and after i could finish te ponits with this weaponJ

Receiving is easy if your good with topspins and flicks short dropps is a little bit hard for me but I am using ow the slower brother ,Virtouso.

 

Summary:

 

However i lost the match int he finel set, but my partner said :  â€žyou were more agressive, i was surprised „

 

I used to lost against him becasue he is playing 4 class higher tournament but I am satisfied with the two set won and what he said.

This is still a looper blade but stiffer so maybe well suit for modern topspin game.

Some forum writers compared it with clipper. I can say it is better than clipper in all aspects.Not comperable

First of all it has feeling!!Good feedback in your palm, Much more spin and so punctual.

Higher arc, and not a linearblade…so if you want to be softer,so you can! But if you are harder this a fast killer weapon.

If you are looking for well balanced offensive blade with superb control this is what You want

I am sure you will stop EJ’ ing ;)





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Virtuoso spare one..
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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/28/2010 at 3:42am
Thanks for the tests tiehwen and fzolesz much.

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Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 06/28/2010 at 4:09am
I made an entry about these blades at www.ttw.ru.If you need assistance in registering there,please let me know.I sent you a message also at your email address linked to OSP blades.
Here is the link to follow:

http://www.ttw.ru/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=11283&sid=07477abe48d386b98d8d3b6260f4bd5d - http://www.ttw.ru/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=11283&sid=07477abe48d386b98d8d3b6260f4bd5d

Good luck.


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Posted By: Kalin
Date Posted: 06/28/2010 at 5:23am
I've ordered a flared sn 486 blade a week ago. I can hardly wait and give it a try. I will inform you guys about the playing characteristics when I get it.

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Setup:

Blade:BTY Viscaria
FH:Andro Rasant (1,9 mm Blk)BH:Soulspin P12(1,8 mm Red)


Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/28/2010 at 6:27pm
Your lamina is drying Kalin... Wink

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Posted By: Kalin
Date Posted: 06/29/2010 at 5:13am
NICE Big smile

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Posted By: robjkc
Date Posted: 06/29/2010 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by Kalin Kalin wrote:

I've ordered a flared sn 486 blade a week ago. I can hardly wait and give it a try. I will inform you guys about the playing characteristics when I get it.


I think you'll really like the sn486.  I've been playing with mine for a couple a weeks and I won't be changing anytime soon.  I plan on getting a backup for this one!

I haven't tried the new OSP blades yet but they look to be of similar quality.


Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 06/29/2010 at 1:43pm
Is sn486 the prototype of Virtuoso?

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/29/2010 at 3:00pm
No. OSP blades are individually developed. Custommade rackets are made for exact orders of certain customers

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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 06/29/2010 at 4:01pm
Originally posted by PLLsystem PLLsystem wrote:

No. OSP blades are individually developed. Custommade rackets are made for exact orders of certain customers
+1.
Mine was "crafted" as per my "specs.", not much, may be to some, to begin with. I had my so so average, well...good in some ways, a PKorbel plus my old Stiga @ the background (in my head), as template but I wanted more, i.e. more comfy handle, a bit more Oooomph, more power, more feedback/control and that unique classic allwood no fancy no wuahahahaha look. And to me, PLLSystem (or this Virtuoso) delivers and even MORE. There're actually some "extras" thrown into it as well, but I can't put words to it. How about this....A blade that makes me forget about the rest which I've thinking about acquiring prior to this ONE? A blade that makes me feel like holding it or just wanna look at it eventho' I'm not playing it? A blade that makes me say "That's it!" ? Or a blade that pauses/makes me stop my spending spree $$$$$? 


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Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 06/30/2010 at 1:56pm
I received my Virtuoso FL today. (thx Palatinus)

I looks and feels high quality. I glued my regular rubbers on (Baracuda + Hexer PS). Didn't play with it but it feels like a bit more powerful version of my Stiga Allround Stellan Bengtsson. Same clear, stiffish and softish feel with the power from the core. Something like a better quality, much better feel and a bit more powerful Korbel. 

I do highly recommend anyone considering to buy one while the shipping is probably still free (for the first 100 blades). You can be sure you'll appreciate owning a handmade blade like this.

Details will follow after some playing.


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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/30/2010 at 2:04pm
Have a good play :) We are also waiting... ;)

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 06/30/2010 at 2:07pm
I have just take a look at your signature with your equipment... I also play with Baracuda (2.0 both side) I am two wings looper spin dominated.. and you? 

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Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 06/30/2010 at 2:56pm
1,5 wings looper LOL. I loop less on my BH since it's weaker. What blade do you use? Probably it's a custom made of yours, righT?

BTW your website is down again.


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Posted By: Peter C
Date Posted: 06/30/2010 at 8:09pm
Spaequinox

I'll be curious to hear how Baracuda and Hexer Powersponge works on the Virtuoso.


tiehwen


The Virtuoso is a blade that allows you to concentrate on playing your game, rather than drawing attention to itself. It's versatility makes it suitable for a wide range of rubbers and playing styles.



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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/01/2010 at 3:18am
Originally posted by speaquinox speaquinox wrote:

BTW your website is down again.


Very much for a startup business. You have to change the CMS for a more stable one, like Joomla, WP, or Drupal.


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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 07/01/2010 at 10:15am
OFF Yeah... Let me explain.. (any suggestion welcome)
I use e107 because its flexibility. And we also have the databases that is not compatible to others..
But the main problem is not in the e107. It is a simple query from bots but in huge amount (ddos) to slow the server that can be made for every CMS.
The main problem it that when the querys are coming my hosting iWeb kindly suspend my account. (Not filtering the bots, not foltering the IP-s etc.. just cut the server down with all my contents). I bought unlimited domain hosting package with unlimited bandwith. In my oppinion all who has website(s) working on the website be popular. What if my website is so popular that I will have dozens of visitors? The also cut down the server? I really cannot understand...
I have left iWeb for hosting24.com I hope it will be solved soon..ON

Well, thanks for your patience..We are back


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Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 07/01/2010 at 4:47pm
I played with Virtuoso (with Baracuda and Hexer PS) today. Was a happy evening session. Everything was as expected or better. It's a very good blade indeed. Thx once more Palatinus. I'll order another one shortly. 

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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 07/01/2010 at 4:54pm
if EVER I want to have a spare (hopefully unlikely), I'd go for a slightly tiny wee bit heavier, like 90g, ST handled one just for comparison sake.
Virtuoso, IMHO, is not just any or another allwood blade. It's THE blade.


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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 07/01/2010 at 4:59pm
I think your current website design is hurting business:

For example the tabs above the OSP site:

http://ospblades.com/portfolio.html
http://ospblades.com/social.html
http://ospblades.com/contact.html

yield the following error

Not Found

The requested URL /portfolio.html was not found on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.


Also, if I might suggest listing the price for the virtuoso and ultimate in a more upfront manner to avoid confusion as well.




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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 07/01/2010 at 5:18pm
tnx icontek, in theory is must not be links there since it is a css/js site and there is only index.html (that works)

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 07/01/2010 at 5:24pm
Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Also, if I might suggest listing the price for the virtuoso and ultimate in a more upfront manner to avoid confusion as well.
Pls mention some examples


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Posted By: silvalis
Date Posted: 07/02/2010 at 3:53am
Can we custom order the Virtuoso in cpen form or in custom dimensions?




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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 07/02/2010 at 4:10am
First my answer is yes. You can custom order it via http://oldstiga.com - oldstiga.com > register > fill out the custommade form or place an order for Virtuoso via http://OSPblades.com - OSP and add a remark into the last text field with exact dimesion or simply send me a mail via http://OSPblades.com - OSP  contact form.

In the other hand CPEN a serious task.. Due to our experience with Chinese players/coaches we found out that CPEN is not a handle but a style. We plan to expand our range with a CPEN model but it will be different from others.

But we are really interested in your opinion. We can expand our handle scale if needed. The question is that if CPEN players can accept Virtuoso and Ultimate?


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Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 07/02/2010 at 6:11am
@PLLSystem; Do you have any photo showing FL and SQST handles side by side? I do plan on orderign a SQST, but wanna compare it with the FL I have before ordering. Dimensions of SQST seems a bit small but holda commented it's not. I just want to make sure. Thx in advance.

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 07/02/2010 at 6:46am
i will drop pics tonight CET

in advance, rst is bigger in mm but this makes the same feeling i your palm. sqst is dimensionally smaller but due to the square form it fills your palm more that results equal feel to rst

comparing the handles rst helpa a bit more when switching bh/fh.

rst is preferred by players who like stiga peter or donic st.
sqst is preferred by butterfly timo boll st fan

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Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 07/03/2010 at 1:45pm
OK, awaiting pics. By the way, what's the price for a Virtuoso with a custom handle (Bengtsson for eg.)?

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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 07/03/2010 at 4:07pm
Well.. for sure you can get OSP with custom handle. But it is considered as custommade blade.

Here you are the pics:
RST
uploads/10438/RST_1.jpg - uploads/10438/RST_1.jpg
uploads/10438/RST_2.jpg - uploads/10438/RST_2.jpg
uploads/10438/RST_3.jpg - uploads/10438/RST_3.jpg
uploads/10438/RST_4.jpg - uploads/10438/RST_4.jpg


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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 07/03/2010 at 4:12pm
And SQST
uploads/10438/SQST_3.jpg - uploads/10438/SQST_3.jpg
uploads/10438/SQST_2.jpg - uploads/10438/SQST_2.jpg
uploads/10438/SQST_1.jpg - uploads/10438/SQST_1.jpg

Our custommade price is 87 EUR + 9EUR shipping


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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 07/03/2010 at 5:28pm
instead of Limba as outer ply, is there any OSP w/Hinoki (Japanese or non-Japanese is just fine) as outer ply? That would be an interesting one I'd luv to try/get 1 day.

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Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 07/03/2010 at 8:09pm
I am starting to wonder how the OSP Virtuoso will compare to a Nexy Spear.

That will be good comparison of 2 really well constructed blades.


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Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 07/04/2010 at 5:10pm
Lets do it :)

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Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 07/04/2010 at 10:29pm
Yes... OSP Virtuoso vs Nexy Spear. Both are similar using the same wood plies.

It will be almost like a World Cup. Korea vs Hungary....




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