how to beat players who are good at blocking?
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Topic: how to beat players who are good at blocking?
Posted By: ninglei23
Subject: how to beat players who are good at blocking?
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 3:08am
I really have a big problem with this kind of players and also this technique.I have a good FH and spin ofcourse when it is blocked it will be very fast and I can't do anything.do you guys know how to beat this kind players?thank you very much in advance 
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Posted By: khris
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 3:31am
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I don't know if this can help but at least it works for me most of the times when I play against good at blocking players. I focus more on the spin instead of the speed because as you said, when a fast ball is blocked, it will return really fast. Playing with more sidespin and a topspin with more spin they have a hard time keeping the ball on the table. Other thing is using parallel FH and BH, because they are always prepared for blocking regular FH and BH, but that's more of a normal tip to surprise your opponent. ------------- khris |
Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 3:35am
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If the blocker has a poor attacking game, you can slow down your game a bit and focus all your power on spin. Use your legs and push off to get as much spin on the ball as possible. You will start to see that those blocks missing the table.
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Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 3:53am
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hoping that he's only good at blocking (and not counterlooping any weak shots), you're only hope is to set up the point. as everyone else said, put more emphasis on spin rather than speed. also make sure to have good placement so you won't be out of position for the next ball. here's a quick video link where i actually managed to do that (only once in a while since i'm not even that consistent). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJQVpYaScoc&t=1m15s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJQVpYaScoc&t=1m15s ------------- www.youtube.com/gsutabletennis Timo Boll Spirit FL H3 Blue Sponge Black FH Tenergy 64 Red BH |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 4:41am
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Blockers love consistent topspin, but hate variation, so vary the amount of topspin, slow roll, flat hit and heavy topspin to make life hard and make them think.
Blockers are most vunerable if you give them what they want (topspin) allowing them to block, then give them a flat ball, making them either produce a stroke or put the ball in the net.
whatever you do, your objective should be to make them constantly need to adjust their bat angle.
'Pushblockers', players who use LP's to block close to the table, are more sensitive to variations in Pace, placement and depth, rather than spin, which if you don't know what you are doing, will work against you. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: jkillashark
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 4:49am
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Footwork.
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Posted By: Krantz
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 5:20am
| Blocking is a natural counter to looping, so no wonder that you may have difficulties against it. Slowing your shots while increasing spin may work since they have to change their stroke to kind of a punch-block against it (which they may be able to execute well – or not), but usually you have to vary your placement a lot – especially go for wide angles whenever possible (you don’t have to rush your shots against blockers, take your time and execute it well), ideally with some sidespin. |
Posted By: TSuBaSa
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 7:05am
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If your forehand is really good than you should able to vary the spin.
Use sliced serves and make him push first. Than use very spinny but slow topspins with placement. Serv long topspin than loop everthing = bad idea! ------------- Nittaku Tenaly Acoustic Inner Carbon Joola Rhyzer Pro 50 & 45 |
Posted By: TT over Study
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 7:37am
| maybe try giving them nothing, like block it back to them slow |
Posted By: ninglei23
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 9:38am
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tpgh2k thank you for sharing those videos.we sure have a lot in common(our shots our not that consistent)
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Posted By: chu_bun
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 11:10am
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If you can make them move, you are doing the right thing (A moving blocker often turns to a lobber, just watch Jun Mizutani matches). If they stay in one place and you are the one who run side to side, your shots are too short and/or the replacement is too predictable. ------------- Clipper Wood, Sanwei Gears FH, Sanwei T88-I BH. |
Posted By: ttEDGE - William
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 12:55pm
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I'm with APW46 here. Varying the height, depth, spin and placement of your topspins is a great tactic. Also, blockers are generally strong in the middle of their FH and BH sides but are much weaker out wide to the FH, side to the BH or in the pocket. ------------- ttEDGE.com http://www.ttedge.com" rel="nofollow - Table Tennis Coaching Vidoes by http://www.ttedge.com/william-henzell-table-tennis" rel="nofollow - William Henzell |
Posted By: TTHOUSTON
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 1:10pm
| Many ways to beat the blocker. For short term, Loop then Smash or smash only. Serve top spin more than back spin then smash. No spin then smash........ For long term, You need to practice more looping as top spin, and side spin. Make them move before they make you move. |
Posted By: ttEDGE - William
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 2:24pm
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That's a good point TTHOUSTON. Blockers often have good long pushes with heavy backspin which force you to lift your first topspin more than you'd like. That gives them more options on their first block and they are able to place the ball well and vary between slow blocks and fast blocks. Short topspin serves can be a good way to make this tactic more difficult to access for the blocker. ------------- ttEDGE.com http://www.ttedge.com" rel="nofollow - Table Tennis Coaching Vidoes by http://www.ttedge.com/william-henzell-table-tennis" rel="nofollow - William Henzell |
Posted By: iCanLoopHard
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 3:52pm
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gotta have a strong put away shot, if you dont then u just gotta be ready for the ball to come back and u need to focus on placement and consistency ------------- Sponsored by Sportscraft US Rating 2004 MJ fh:to5 bh:t64 photino,klhs |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 4:00pm
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Some good replies here, 1 extra thing is becareful on doing a allout loop with a big swing as I guess in your case he is already blocking while your arm is still over your left shoulder. So practice quicker recovery and maybe shorter backswing ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 5:10pm
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another insight. if you are forced away from the table, safe loop!!! get some arc into your shot so that you have time to get back close to the table for a good loop drive (kill shot). if you don't have a kill shot, you really need to move him around (like everyone else said) ------------- www.youtube.com/gsutabletennis Timo Boll Spirit FL H3 Blue Sponge Black FH Tenergy 64 Red BH |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 6:07pm
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Powerlooping against a good blocker is end of point if the ball goes where the blocker expects it. It really helps to be able to send the ball to the three big zones at will: the playing elbow, and each corner wide angle. Otherwise, you will have to work the blocker a bit to get that open area to crush it. As said before, changing the spin really helps and many blockers are like a wall in the middle. Of course a good varied serve will wreck havoc with anyone not on top of the receive game. A spinny, slow ball is nice, but a lot of blockers know the bat angles to block, plus the slow speed lets them be there. The better ones do an active block and turn your spin into speed, so the slow, spinny thing doesn't always work, although it can agaist a lot. Depth of shot is important. It is much easier to block a shot that lands halfway between net and endline. The height is optimal for hte blocker to land it safely while keeping pace on the ball. If you cannot work the blocker and get an open area to power it by, then the suggestions of Andy and William about using a flatter finishing shot are nice as well. When there is time, a good blocker can adjust his angle as the blocker has enough time to compute everything, think, and execute a good block. With a powershot that has much less spin, the blocker has little time to figure it out.
I guess the checklist would go:
- Avoid middle, unless doing a weak shot to setup an angle
- Change spins
- Place loops near endline or the slow, spinny ones just over net or on endline
- Try to move blocker around and finish to open area
- Use a spinny opener, slow speed, then a power shot with little spin
- Do NOT powerloop FH from BH corner, unless you are VERY certain to hit by the blocker, you are asking for the end of point ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 6:11pm
| Usually I put less speed and more spin on the ball, relying on footwork to beat the blocker. I will try the short topspin serves, more flat hitting and really spinny loops. |
Posted By: danie
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 8:02pm
one question I have to ask here is, why don't powerloop from the BH corner with our FH? Let me guess,he'll block to the corner of the FH side? Not sure why you say that, but I always powerloop against a blocker from the BH corner with my FH. The solution to get the ball if it is blocked wide to your FH corner is sidestepping,which is basically footwork, no worries, just powerloop with FH from BH corner and sidestep. Maybe hard for most of you guys, as you all are already adults( not to mean you're old,but the adults here are mostly around their 30s or 40s) and I'm still a teenager
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BH-Man wrote:Posted By: PongPong
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 8:11pm
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distract him or pray. I cannot think of another way. |
Posted By: walleyeguy7
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 11:12pm
| take the ball later and move it around a lot |
Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 11:41pm
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I am a looper too having hard time with good blockers. One of the tip I try to apply when playing one is to play the center (elbow) for oppening loops and focus on footwork. Also, after every shot, no matter how good it is, I mentally get prepared to play another one. I also noticed they are easier to surprise with BH loops than with FH's (maybe due to the shorter preparation). ------------- Joola Wyzaryz Freeze Vega pro 2.0mm Vega intro 2.0mm Blade collection : https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9" rel="nofollow - https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9 |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 05/04/2011 at 11:43pm
Really good blockers can test your footwork in a hurry, so your best bet is to stay in position for your shots. Do not take a big swing if you are not setup in the proper position to follow through. Always come back to ready position... Be ready for 5th and 7th ball at all times and don't hit more than 60% full power. Go to two deep corners more often than you would against attackers. The goal is to extend their arm to reach for the ball to get them out of position. |
Posted By: cls2222
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 12:13am
And when the blocker hits the ball back to your backhand after sidestepping? Then you are forced to put the ball back on the table safely, giving the blocker another chance to expose your position away from the table, unless you are Kreanga and drill that shot. When you sidestep you basically give up control over the table. Even though that nice powerloop will go in, it won't help you if the blocker plays short or to the BH. You have to stay on the table and move the blocker around or he will move you off the table. ------------- Korbel Stiga Boost TX |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 12:16am
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I push and block a lot. I often play 'Return Board' for better players that want to practice their loops. The suggestions above are good. A mistake I see loopers make is not keeping their strokes compact or being ready for the unexpected return. If the blocker blocks off the bounce like I do the ball will come back quickly. I often catch loopers admiring their shots. The looper is surprised when the ball comes back so quickly. If I kept my block low the looper loses the initiative. I think one of the keys is to have patience and the discipline to wait for the right ball. Look at those that successfully played PushBlocker. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: Vassily
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 12:27am
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I think the other thing about punchblockers and hitters is that their game is very precise, the margin of error is small. So the playing standards can vary quite wildly, even in the course of a game, especially for those who dont get to practice 6 times a week. This is rather a dirty strategy, but slowing the game when they are playing well, and vice versa is especially good. And if they hit some magic shots in the beginning, even a few times in a row, dont assume that those shots will land later on, so be a bit more prepared to test throughout the game.Also, if they get on fire, do not stoke the fire and keep looping high ones for them to bash. Almost better to kill yourself than let then get more smash-happy. The advice about mixing spin and position also prevents them from getting too comfortable and dialed-in.
I used to drive/punchblock a lot with minimal topspin, and it was extremely common to destroy someone 21-7 in one game and then lose 7-21 the next. Ive now started spinning more, the lack of consistency was psychologically too disturbing... :P ------------- Nittaku Acoustic FL T05 Acuda S2 2.0mm |
Posted By: Infinite.Potential
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 12:28am
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My number one thought when playing a blocker is to hit shots deep into the blockers court (close to the white line). There are multiple benefits to this tactic with two primary benefits, the first is that it provides additional time for you to recover allowing you to be better prepared for your next shot and second it limits the angles that the blocker can use against you.
All the other suggestions seem reasonable but I think the other suggestions will work best in concert with consistently hitting the ball deep into the blockers court.
Good Luck!
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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 2:53am
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Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 3:06am
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agreed. driving a ball that's close to the edge or that bounces mid table is still going to come back to you pretty fast. it won't give you time to recover. the only thing that does that is either forcing a weak block from the opponent or safe looping the ball yourself (high arc).... if you have insane footwork and reactions, then you can definitely recover from a loop drive and do another one =). ------------- www.youtube.com/gsutabletennis Timo Boll Spirit FL H3 Blue Sponge Black FH Tenergy 64 Red BH |
Posted By: Infinite.Potential
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 5:25am
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You said: In TT, we tend to call the 'court' the playing area, and the 'court' that you are referring to as 'the table', unless you have logged on to the wrong forum and are talking about tennis. I get your idea, however TT is a game of small margins, and looping deep carries the obvious liability of inconsistency. I think you are a tennis player. I'm not a tennis player, I've been playing table tennis since 1972 and ran and coached at the largest table tennis club in the country in the late 70's. Sorry if the word "court" confused you. I think it is a common usage in table tennis circles. Gregg Letts, the table tennis guide at about.com uses the term often in his writings. But if you prefer, playing area is OK with me. Advance players practice hitting the ball short, medium and long into their opponents "playing area" all the time. I certainly did not invent the idea in that it is not a new concept. I have consistently practiced and coached changing the depth of shots for many years. Some of the best coaches in the country will agree with the philosophy that hitting the ball deep is tactically important when playing against a blocker. Here are the first three bullet points from Samson Dubinov's article on "Game Strategies" and how to play blockers:
A National coach named Larry Hodges published a book titled "Table Tennis: Steps to Success" and in the book there is a section titled "Playing Styles and Rallying Tactics. Within this section Larry details how to play a blocker that includes the following bulleted items:
While not the only tactic , I say with confidence that hitting the ball deep into the opponents "playing area" is a known practical tactic that helps you gain an advantage when playing against a blocker. But want to iterate that it isn't the only important tactic when playing a blocker. |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 6:15am
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Serve deep (half long) and push deep, I agree, I also agree that looping deep is desirable, but not essential, keeping out of the 'power zones' is important in the short game and is easily facilitated at that tempo, but in quick topspin driving I disagree that pipoint accuracy of depth is possible without risk, by anyone.
I'm not sure how old Larry's book is, but I'm sure its pre 40mm ball, in which case some things have changed, particularly the ability to a certain extent, to force the pace when blocking, and looping earlier with a closed bat face.
I too started playing in the 1970's as an out and out looper, I still play and coach at advanced level, and boy things have changed, to such an extent, that there are virtually no blockers as a style of play at the top end of the game left, which means the OP by nature is doubtful to be an advanced player, and that is where I err on caution to advice such as 'hit deep' to a player who is likely inconsistent hitting anywhere, let alone deep.
What is 'correct' is not always appropriate, and as a coach who specialises in helping players who have passed their initial formative years, would like to improve some, but have limited time recources, I like to try to tailor my advice to suit.
I accept national differences in the use of the word 'court' and I think your term is more correct than mine. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: Infinite.Potential
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 6:59am
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I'll ask Larry about the relevance of his book specific to this topic and the 40mm ball. I can't guarantee that he wil give me an answer but now I'm curious. It has been my experience that the 40mm ball slows the game down and provides me more ability to pinpoint my shots (its easier to hit a deep shot in a rally) rather than making it more difficult. I don't think a blocker has a power zone, though I would agree that there are good and bad places to place the ball when playing a blocker. When I think of placement I don't always limit it to a single shot, rather I think of placement as a series or sequence of shots. Perhaps I do not understanding your "power zone" terminology. I spent a lot of time moving around my backhand corner and looping / smashing my forehand in the 70's. Since taking the game up again several years ago I've learned all about the importance of the back hand and because I've slowed down a bit I've had to think more about (and I've spent considerable time researching) modern strategies and techniques. Besides my personal initiative to research the game I've also been coached on modern techniques, tactics and strategies over the last year by one of the best coaches in the country so I feel somewhat confident (not totally confident) that my knowledge of game strategies and tactics is reasonably complete, at least at the club level, and that I have a solid understanding of the modern game. I'll let you know if I hear anything from Larry.
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Posted By: addoydude
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 7:10am
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one word: corkscrew spin ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon H3 NEO / 388-D1 |
Posted By: Infinite.Potential
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 7:34am
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Not to state the obvious but "corkscrew spin" is two words, not one word, but more importantly I don't understand how corkscrew spin can be used tactically against a blocker. Assuming you were not just being facetious can you explain? |
Posted By: stoic
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 8:09am
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Variety is key to beating a blocker, especially with service - mix up the spin and placement to set you up for forehand drives. Often blockers are weaker in the middle, so aim your first attack at their stomach. ------------- http://www.static-sounds.com - http://www.static-sounds.com Check out our tunes! |
Posted By: ninglei23
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 10:21am
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stoic in my case they like it when I aim my shot on thier stomach because they know my shot is only there or in the edge.I am really not good in playing with blockers
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 12:19pm
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Danie, I said it was not a good idea to powerloop (with a steparound FH) from the BH corner with a FH, unless you were pretty sure to finish the point right there. Otherwise, it is too easy to fast block it away from you for an easy winner. I don't care how young my opponent is. If they step around and try to blast a FH by me AND I can block fast block it back to the FH, the point is over, no matter how young they are or even if they know exactly what I am about to do. If they put too much "Hot Sauce" on that ball and I fast block it away, point is simply over. That happens to me on attack when I get too greedy and hit it where they are expecting it. The ones who do a safer block... yes, those balls have the chance for the attacker to get to and still attack strong, either with power or spin.
I see your point about the difference in the abilities of a 40+ dude and a teens/young 20's player to recover and get to a ball on the wide FH. Still, hitting a powershot like that out of position a foot or more from the side of the table invites a quick end to the point if the blocker can see it and be there. Then again, a lot of good offensive players are really good at disguising where they will hit until it is too late. A lot of Koreans here are very good at that.
On receive, I essentially have become a blocker, until I can see a chance to take over control of the point. (Like a long serve in my power zones or loose ball) I push deliberately to the BH corner and FH corner, wanting the opponent to move and attack, so I can block it away from them and get them on my Yo-Yo (moving them back and forth almost at will), until they miss or give me a chance to go ballistic on them. This works if I can tell where they are about to attack. This doesn't work if my push is low quality and the attacker is too smooth in his arm/wrist control at impact. (and has good power/high landing%) Those jokers (Usually high level J-Penners) are a bad day for me and force me to try giving them a half-long push to attack more with spin than power, which I soft block to keep them attacking to miss, or fast block it to an uncomfortable spot.
Another tactic, which would likely be advocated with someone with an excellent BH, like William TTEdge, is to use the BH to open if the ball in coming to your BH. You can still get heavy spin and if the block is not almost perfect, you set yourself up to blast away with speed/spin, or pure speed as suggested before. The BH can be quite sudden and a point ending shot as you can make it difficult to forsee the racket angle at impact, because a small change in timing totally alters the angle of the shot and the stroke is so fast that sometimes it can just be too late. However, it can be hard to make a good judgement on which balls to attack with BH and which ones not to do so.
A good reason why looping to half deep (halfway between net and endline depth), then looping near endline, is that it is very difficult for the blocker to establish/maintain rythm. In RSM's training video, it shows one of his tactics of blocking 2-3 times to one corner, then suddenly fast blocking down the line. That can work if you can control the point (realy more of the attacker's options, instead really controlling the point, maybe even inviting opponent to attack to a certain zone) with your blocking and knowledge/anticipation of your opponent's attack. It is surprisingly difficult to block a medium-fast ball deep on endline, then move in and block a slow, super spinny ball that lands just over the net. The blocker has to move right up to the ball. Blocking it later is possible, but most be done more softly, plus that gives attacker more time and an easier ball to keep attacking.
Maybe also try out the reverse of the blocker's tactic. Loop a few medium loops to one side, then hit with power and low spin to the other side. That assumes blocker blocks that ball the same or you can pretty much know where it is going. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 12:37pm
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Posted By: Infinite.Potential
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 3:12pm
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Thanks for the definition on "Power Zone". I haven't heard that term used in this way but it helps clarify your response.
Larry was kind enough to respond to my request for information. He stated categorically that keeping the ball deep was important and provides some additional reasoning as,
"If you put the ball short against a blocker, he jab-blocks it down your throat and/or gets extreme angles and/or rushes you. Keep the ball deep, and all of this becomes far more difficult.".
Larry also mentioned that he wrote "Table Tennis: Steps to Success" in 1993 and updated the book in 2007. Larry felt that the information in his book was still highly relevant and further stated that,
"Other than using slightly thicker sponge, the game didn't change dramatically when it went from 38mm to 40mm balls. It's tougher to use extreme spins, and slightly easier to keep the ball in play, but it's all a matter of degree. The strokes haven't changed because of the 40mm ball. You just use them slightly different, i.e. slightly longer rallies, so you have to work a bit more for the point."
Larry hosts a great website called http://TableTennisCoaching.com - TableTennisCoaching.com that brings together a wonderful variety of coaching articles, videos and tips that I have found invaluable both as a player and as a coach.
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Posted By: Infinite.Potential
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 3:44pm
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It's possible that you are mixing up different definitions / concepts:
There is an important distinction between hitting the ball to an "opponents elbow" / "opponents middle" / "opponents pocket" vs. hitting the ball to the middle of the table. Hitting into an "opponents elbow" means hitting the ball into the area that forces your opponent to make a decision to hit either a forehand or backhand and forces them to move their feet to hit an offensive shot or offensive block.
Hitting the ball to the middle of the table can be taken literally and can be easily described and understood.
Hitting the ball into an "opponents elbow" is not as literal, it simply implies that you hit a ball into your opponents transitiional area between forehand and backhand. What is most important to understand is that this transition point is not static because as your opponent moves around his transition point moves with him!
Two examples of hitting to your opponents elbow:
If you want to hit to an opponents elbow you need to know where your opponent is relative to the table. |
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 8:43pm
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a blocker is a mirror of your strokes. to change placement when looping to where one does not usually loop is unrealistic. That takes time to train. what it is the way is to focus in steadiness and empower your loop or hitting. to concentrate. your stroke and your moving, your footwork. keep on doing being more focused. have to be confident in your game. get the feeling. if it does not work probably other ways will not work in a match either.
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 05/05/2011 at 9:18pm
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Larry's book was/is a very excellent start for anyone getting into TT. TT forums up that one by direct and indirect interaction and networking. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 1:13am
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If you ever get outblocked, it means that your placement is not good enough. For the FH, do train the normal sidespin and fade loops, because if you're using sidespin, you can increase the difficulty of the blocker getting to the shot effectively. Make it your goal to have your attacking shots exit the table from the side with sidespin! (Waldner and Ma Lin's the real expert at this). And when you're at it, disguise the shot direction as much as you can and observe your opponent's movement before you make the shot. Most likely, though is that you're jammed by the blocker with their serves/service receive. I tend to get jammed by balls to the elbow, forcing me to have less options for placement and spin than usual. The only solution for this is to train better footwork and body balance. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: Infinite.Potential
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 1:43am
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Despite immersing myself into all things table tennis and despite my focus on tactics against different types of players I was defeated once again this evening by a blocker (sigh). This blocker plays around 2000-2100 (he's coming off knee surgery so its pretty variable right now) and we have gone five games the last 3-4 matches but I had pinched nerve in my neck tonight and I think it didn't help me out much as I easily won the first game then lost the next three. This was a case were the blocker just wore me out. He was very quick and I could not power a ball threw him so I had to move him around and look for an opportunity to put the ball away. That meant the points were longer than normal (when not playing a blocker) and I just didn't have the stamina to keep up the offensive pressure.
So while keeping your shots deep  I highly recommend being in shape if you want to defeat a blocker that is around your level of play! |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 1:51am
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i've been there IP. i had to play bob bowlander who is a LP block much like pushblocker here but not as good as him. that was a true cat and mouse game. i had to safe loop, push, safe loop, push, etc....and wait for a good ball to just blast away. it was a truly tiring match for sure. you must be very good IP if you can go at least 4 games with a 2000 lvl blocker. i should get some pointers from you then =). i'd like to hear more about some strategies you were using. ------------- www.youtube.com/gsutabletennis Timo Boll Spirit FL H3 Blue Sponge Black FH Tenergy 64 Red BH |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 2:46am
'playing to the elbow' as you put it is termed the 'crossover point' in coaching circles around the UK
Larry has answered economically, so would I if it were my book! my point being that the games tempo has increased with the 40mm ball due to more than one factor (higher bounce, less spin) and whilst the pertinence of pre-40mm ball advice is still valid for the short game, there is considerably less time once the rally has extended to make judgements on depth because blocking is less passive.
I have long been a critic of coaching methods and certainly many TT books, which I feel offer little in variation from 'manual' coaching, and always, always coach from the top, meaning the advice given is often totally irrellevant to many players, because they can't put in the 20+ hours a week needed to implement the advice given.
I have run a successful coaching school for some time now, which specialises in helping players with limitations, IMO trying to give advice, either directly or from a book, to a 40 yr old experienced player, or a 17 yr old novice, has to be tailored to suit to achieve a worthy outcome for each individual, something I'm sure Larry would agree upon.
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Posted By: Infinite.Potential
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 2:59am
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The blocker I was playing against used a slow paddle but had inverted rubber on both sides. Playing against a blocker with inverted and playing against LP is very different and I don't think the strategy I used this evening would fair well against your LP blocker. My basic strategy tonight was to try and open with a controlled offensive or strong offensive shot first. I tried to keep the ball deep in his court on most shots, I tried to move the blocker around and when I saw him reach for a ball I knew that it would cause a weak block return and I would then try and hit a winning offensive shot off that weak block. I can counter drive (though I'm a looper at heart) so I made an effort to stay up to the table during our rally(s) to minimize the impact of a sharply angled ball that are most blockers forte. For me, a big part of playing a blocker is knowing and accepting that the blocker is going to return some of my biggest and best shots, not all of them, but some of them. That acceptance lets me keep my head in the game and not fret or worse be embarrassed by having someone return my awesome forehand kill loop! As a player I'm all about service and service return. I have better than average serves and they were beneficial during the match but after the match I realized that I needed to mix up my long and short serves better to try and keep the blocker moving in and out. Serving short and hitting a loop deep into one corner or the other is one way of forcing a blocker out of their comfort zone and I didn't do that often enough in our match. I don't know if you had a chance to view the PushBlocker Tutorial video but if you want to see an excellent strategy well implemented against a LP player you should take a look at it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZvZvUchfwU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZvZvUchfwU I am fortunate to be able to practice regularly with Cory Eider who is playing PushBlocker in the video. Cory is approaching 2400 level of play and this video is not indicative of his overall skill level but it does illustrate his absolute dedication to winning (he doesn't ever care about form, he only cares about winning). There is a very funny sequence around 2:21 of the video that you should enjoy. I will say that I was greatly impressed with PushBlockers overall sportsmanship during this match. You will notice in the match that Cory is not using a safe loop, push, safe loop, push strategy. What he is doing is, at least what I see he is doing, is taking as much spin out of the rally as he can while continuing to put some offensive pressure on PushBlocker. Because PushBlocker cannot attack (at all), Cory was content to push as necessary. If a LP player can attack then the strategy used against PushBlocker would have to be adjusted to avoid leaving too many opportunities for the blocker to attack the ball. The reason I say small adjustment is that in most cases a blockers attack is like an looper's chop; they are very low quality shots and they are not particularly good at making the shot.
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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 3:11am
Cory has brains. 
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Posted By: Infinite.Potential
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 3:19am
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You said "Thanks for your answer, if rather patronisingly put, I don't confuse definitions and concepts in TT believe me. I think that you are confusing what I have stated, I do agree that playing deep is a valid tactic, I only question giving advice to 'hit deep' which to an intermediate player invites him to play above what he is capable of." My apologies as I do not know how to quote someone the way you did. If it seemed patronizing it was because I wasn't responding to your comments, I was responding to a comment from the original poster (I think it was the original poster anyway) who was complaining that hitting to the middle as recommended wasn't working. I don't think the note was condescending in any way when viewed as something written in response to his post. I'm very sorry if I offended you. I truly meant no offense. I like books because they help provide common grammar that allow more economical communication between players and coaches but I also believe that group and individual coaching is head and shoulders above just reading books (I take private lessons on a regular basis and always have). I find it interesting that your take is that the game is faster today with the 40mm ball. I think that is the opposite of one of the intended effects and it may be true at the higher levels of play, but I can't comment on that. My perception is the 40mm ball has slowed the game and in fact is considerably slower than with the 38mm ball, but again, that's based on the level of my play and it may not be indicative of what occurs at other levels. Your comments on getting advice from a book that may not apply to the individual makes me think of a time many years ago when as a 1700 teenager I had a world class player coaching me in my matches during a tournament (I had seen him defeat the world champion just 3 months prior and I thought he was a God). I'm positive that what he told me was absolute gold but there was no way possible for me to do what he asked. My skill level simply didn't allow for it and his experience playing at a 1700 level was long gone by that point. I barely won a match during that tournament but learned a very important lesson that day!
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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 3:30am
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I agree that the intention of the 40mm rule was to slow the game down, however, its not just my opinion that it has had the reverse effect because it is simply easier to attack consistently, and easier to counter attack in a pro-active way rather than re-active. I do agree that the 40mm ball slows quicker through the air, but this is subjective at close to the table play, where the tempo has increased due to the lesser need to respect spin.
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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 3:32am
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Posted By: Infinite.Potential
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 3:35am
Got it, thank you very much.
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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 3:43am
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Posted By: Infinite.Potential
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 3:58am
To try and reiterate for my understanding, you are saying that you (and others) believe that the decrease in spin forced when using a 40mm ball has improved a player's ability (made it easier) to attack and pro-actively counter attack (assuming counter loop and/or offensive block), and it is this enhanced ability that has made the game generally faster? It's my assertion that less spin requires hitting with less speed when looping or counter looping or the ball will go off the end of table (not as much downward movement due to less RPM's on the ball). It's just an assertion though, I haven't done any wind tunnel experiments to know for certain. I'm a bit confused because in my experience the game feels slower but perhaps I'm just slower (I know I'm definitely older)? What I have noticed is that the game is more physically demanding with longer rally(s) than in the past (which I thought indicated a slow down in the game) and I thought that was due to the overall decrease in the speed of the ball and the decrease in average and maximum spin. Interesting to hear a differing opinion. I'll watch for other opinions on this although it probably doesn't really matter since the game isn't going back to the 38mm ball anytime soon. |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 4:44am
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Posted By: stoic
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 8:12am
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ninglei23 a shot aimed at the middle reduces the angle a blocker can use, and makes them decide whether to use forehand or blackhand - this either forces errors or gives weaker returns. Try aiming for their elbow if they enjoy stomach shots, and do wide shots when they look scared. ------------- http://www.static-sounds.com - http://www.static-sounds.com Check out our tunes! |
Posted By: TTHOUSTON
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 8:33am
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First, You need to let every one know your RATING, then the advice will help you get some point in your game at YOUR SKILL. With some advice up here, I think that is toooooo much for some one ~1700. With those advice as Fast loop then Slow loop or Loop this corner then loop other corner. Hit on their elbow and kill the shot....ect, that is not easy. If you can do all that then you don't need to ask us because you should be over 2000 us rating and you should know how to hanlde those kind of thing.
Note for some advicer....don't take world player or really high level skill to advice a player around ~1700 skill...NOT HELP AT ALL.
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Posted By: ninglei23
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 9:41am
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I think I am around 1200 0r 1100
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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 10:28am
I think there's a lot of great general advice in this thread, but as someone right around that level who has at least three regular opponents (US1200,US1500,US1600) who play a strong blocking game as a cornerstone, maybe I can be of help. If your opponents are only a level or two above, as my opponents are, then they will still have glaring weaknesses. Both strategically (big picture), and tactically (individual strokes), it's up to you identify their weaknesses and exploit them to win points, or force them to lose points. I would argue that based on your level, you should focus on placement and use attacking power when you have a clear shot that will not only land on the table > 75% but also to a position that will win you the point or create a weak return. So figure this out: What type of balls do they prefer? What type of balls do they struggle with? I encourage you to observe their matches against other players and think about angle of your shot and the spin that will create the greatest discomfort for your blocker. As you progress and once you get a sense of their blocking habits and preferences, you can also better predict how they will use their block and start to use their strength against them. For example: -All three of my opponents have a strong backhand block; it nullifies my strongest shot (FH loop down the line) and against them i will only use this shot if i have moved them over to their FH side. Furthermore, their BH blocks make using BH-BH topspin risky as they can punch block down the my FH side. -None of them have a stable FH block against heavy topspin. Knowing that, I prefer to use crosscourt FH's to move them out of their BH corner. During this time when I create movement by hitting wide FH shots, I have an opportunity to hit middle deep to catch their elbow as they cross the table. -And because my opponents lack a BH loop, I also can get away with pushing to their wide BH and then pick hitting down the line to their FH after I have them out of position. And when I lose to the US1500 and US1600 players (which happens more often than not), it's not because my strategy or tactics are inherently bad, it's almost always because my footwork leaves me in a weak position to play the point. But the occasional wins against those players certainly feel sweet :D Hope this helps! ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: PenSpin
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 12:38pm
Well based on this, I would say your loop probably isn't very strong or spinny, if it were you could just overpower a blocker at that level. So you should try to get a powerful loop and overpower him. |
Posted By: danie
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 12:56pm
I didn't say sidestep immediately after you make your powerloop, obviously you have to wait and see where the ball goes to,but if you see the ball going to your forehand,sidestep straight away. Maybe you guys can't do that, but I can, I was using heavy equipment since I was young and was force to recover fast,so I guess I kind of have a very fast recovery,though not as fast as the pros I guess, but I often do this,and it always works,the blocker can't get the ball at all. And, instead of just putting more speed, you have another option and that is to put less speed and put more sidespin into the loop,both works for me,though I put more sidespin than speed on that shot.
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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 5:49pm
So quoting such totally correct facts such as;
'Hit into the deep court'
Backed up by the totally correct fact that;
'Top players practice this'
Is IMO bad advice for a US 1200 player, he struggles to hit the table at any depth, let alone what the pro's practice.
We are all wrapped up in advice, taken from the top it is always difficult to argue against it, but 99% of us need advice that we can realistically manage help our games, and unfortunately only 1% of us can implement that advice, and the 1% generally don't need it because they are part of national programs. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 5:51pm
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so APW, would you agree that an applicable suggestion would be to get more arc into his shots?
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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 5:53pm
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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 5:55pm
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I would say that at US 1200 standard, he just needs to hit the table one more time than the other guy. (rule number 1) ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 7:11pm
that's a part i was trying to say in my post in other words, lol. the thing is that rule number one is valid to all levels. if trying to get the ball in the elbow the ball flies out of the table, there is nothing to do. instead the elbow (a narrow goal) try to put the ball in the free side of the table.
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Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 05/06/2011 at 11:16pm
landing the ball one more time than the opponent is good and so is
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Posted By: danie
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 12:52am
one, sidestepping is not a out of position looping technique, its a proper technique and sidestepping is the most important footwork in table tennis. Second, when I powerloop, there's onlyl a 15% chance for my opponent to block it if he is near the table. Maybe not for you, but for me,most of the time my powerloop goes through. And mind that my opponent who blocks here is a man who is around 30-40+. Well,for me,when I powerloop,no matter where they place it,I'm always able to get the ball back.
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Posted By: chu_bun
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 2:16am
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You must be really good. Even at highest level, a down the line block against an inside out FH power loop usually a point for the blocker. For example, watch Rye Sueng Min matches. This happens to everybody but RSM runs around to hit with his FH all the time so you don't have wait long to see it. I'm not a blocker, but I often play a blocking game when I'm tired or nervous, and I find it more effective against lower level 1-wing loopers. I can push such players around and hope that they miss. Against decent two wing loopers, it's more or less target practice for them. The ball just coming back usually with more pace. I have a better chance counter hit. Maybe it's true that offense is the best defense. I think you can see something similar when comparing Kenta vs Malin against Kenta vs Timo matches. ------------- Clipper Wood, Sanwei Gears FH, Sanwei T88-I BH. |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 3:44am
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yep, danie must be very good. you have to make sure that the ball won't come back if you commit to a fh drive from the bh corner. it could be the level of opponent too...but i highly doubt that. i really would love to see a clip of him playing so that i could get some good tips and tricks =)
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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 3:51am
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Posted By: Infinite.Potential
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 4:38am
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I worry that providing a common platitude like this will be seen by the 1200 player as not even trying to help them. I think it’s important to be careful with platitudes because the 1200 player might start to think there isn't any reason to ask questions or try new things because they aren't good enough for someone to bother to give them the benefit of their true knowledge. I've coached many 1200 players, hundreds in fact and while some are indeed un-coachable, the majority are and they are eager to learn about the game and are in general more than capable of taking in coaching knowledge and filtering it accord to their current understanding of the game. A 1200 player in the One last comment; the issues of knowing the competency of the source of information is inherent when looking for information and help on the Internet. These types of forums are excellent resources because the competency of the information and help is always peer reviewed and with few exceptions those peers are happy to jump all over something that they believe is incorrect, badly worded, poorly defined, etc. What this means to me is that if a 1200 player asks a question there is an excellent chance that the answer to their question will be solidly contained within the sum of the posts for their question even if some of that information is misleading, incorrect or contextually inaccurate. |
Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 5:24am
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Seems danie is going to win the wttc
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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 5:34am
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Internet forums are about psychological endurance not competence. |
Posted By: ninglei23
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 9:36am
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no i have a very good topspin which is strong and very spinny..I am really not sure about my rating though cause I don't know how it works.
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Posted By: danie
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 10:25am
i don't have to hit to the backhand,just hitting the ball away from the opponent with enough speed and spin will be sufficient to win the point,and doesn't have to be down the line either...
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Posted By: danie
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 10:59am
well,i can't win the wttc,and i'm not participating either, but I can definitely beat you( a sarcastic person),if you want me to prove it,play with me,i'll make sure you don't win a single set
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Posted By: danie
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 11:02am
my opponent which is blocking is in the upper level of district level,mine is at state level,so yeah,maybe its because of recovery,reaction and footwork which sets us apart. Though most of the state players can attack back assuming they are far enough from the table to counter loop.
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Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 11:29am
Feel free to come to australia if you want to play. ------------- Timo Boll Spirit FL Dr Evil ox both sides. |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 2:14pm
I am about in that 1200 range and getting the ball back one more time was exactly what I was thinking after the Pacific Rim tournament. I watch many matches and most rallies didn't last past four strokes. I think many where trying to play well beyond their comfort level/ability and were giving away points. They weren't playing smart. There is a difference between knowing how to make the shot and having the mental concentration to actually make the shot during a game thus giving the other guy a chance to screw up.
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Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 4:39pm
Danie, such claims can be very dfangerous to make, since I assume you have very little clue about Fruit loops levels?
If you do step around and committ to a powerfull fh attack from your bh corner, and it gets blocked back straight down the line, the chance that you will actually reach it is very slim. If you do reach it, then that actually says more about the lack of power on your attack then it says about your foot work or recovery. ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 4:57pm
Your words not mine. I've yet to see a US 1200 player with the competence and technique to judge the depth of their attacking shots. The original question was from a player asking advice on how to beat a blocker. The real answer is that he needs to improve his overall level of competency, Then the tactical placement you offer as advice (from a book) can be realistically applied, you can't run before you can walk. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 5:47pm
| At that level, just practice loop drives, power loops, slow loops, footwork. A blocker will win most of the time. You can practice doing one of each during your 3rd ball attack., |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 6:24pm
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I found this video. Great blocking. Ma Lin had to hustle to stay in this game. It is too bad they don't show who won. http://youtu.be/odsYB8lSdfg - http://youtu.be/odsYB8lSdfg ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: ghostzen
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 6:53pm
| Ma won 11-9 I think in the last end. Amazing rallies. Kenta Matsudaira does some wonderful blocking and loop driving off the bounce on both wings in that match. when he fade blocks a couple of heavy pace loops taking the power off and inparting a packet of side spin down the line ma doesn't get the ball back close to the table. That takes some serious control. good find, great video. |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 05/08/2011 at 12:56am
I would wager one standard lunch ration that would not happen in a match, Danie vs Fruit Loop.
But then again, if one party pulls a Tanya Harding, that could change things a bit. :)
Looks like the stuff for another thread.
Danie, I am not doubting that you have an exceptional attack or footwork, you do not talk like a USATT 800 newb. I just do not believe that you would be able to step around your BH corner, hit a FAST powerloop to your opponent's FH or middle, have it fast blocked to your wide FH corner or past it, and you can recover enough to get near the ball, lest even you can continue your attack in that situation. If you can do that, I need to eat whatever you eat for breakfast, learn its recepe, then license it and earn royalties for the rest of my old days.
To put in perspective, I don't think even the pros will get to that ball, assuming they hit it near max power, AND the opponent was close to the table, AND the opponent used an active fast block, AND that block goes to wide FH corner or more wide, especially if the block added some sidespin to make it tail off even moar. That sequence is point over, even for pros, even if they see it coming and try to get there. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 05/08/2011 at 1:17am
BH-man, I think you are right and the video I posted a link to shows it. The first rally has Kenta Matsudaira blocking to Ma Lin's FH after Ma Lin hit a FH shot from his BH corner. Ma Lin couldn't get to it. Ma Lin's FH shot wasn't even that fast, relatively. What you can see is that Ma Lin had to lean back to his left to hit the ball and that made it difficult to move right to get to the ball. I hadn't even heard of Kenta Mutsudaira before today. I like his blocking. I looked for other Kenta Matsudaira videos but they didn't show him blocking as much as in the Ma Lin video. I have seen videos of Fruit Loop playing with Boz. Danie better have a good game Fruit Loop is very agile and loops well. I know I wouldn't want to get in a looping contest with Fruit Loop but then I would block instead. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 05/08/2011 at 1:50am
i don't care who you are, you're not getting to the ball if they block a fully committed shot as bh man describes. just look @ ma long vs samsonov in the world cup semi final where samsonov won. ------------- Timo Boll Spirit FL Dr Evil ox both sides. |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 05/08/2011 at 2:38am
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yep, i agree with fruit loop. you can see how a well placed block will kill you all the time. i vote for danie to put up a video so that i can eat my words =)
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Posted By: PenSpin
Date Posted: 05/08/2011 at 1:55pm
| Yeah man we need like online table tennis battles, where people put up videos and vote for whose better based on their video. Be like I challenge you to TT video dual. |
Posted By: chu_bun
Date Posted: 05/08/2011 at 11:26pm
I don't think he plays that good before or since. He had another good match against WLQ a while after that (world against CN or something like that). If you like blocking watch He Zhi Wen. His style is so logical and effective. I think your blocking will improve just by watching his matches! ------------- Clipper Wood, Sanwei Gears FH, Sanwei T88-I BH. |
Posted By: cls2222
Date Posted: 05/09/2011 at 12:00am
He Zhi Wen uses short pips. That's why he can move spinny loops around he table so well. ------------- Korbel Stiga Boost TX |
Posted By: chu_bun
Date Posted: 05/09/2011 at 12:42am
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It's harder for invert but I think we can learn a lot from his placements. Like his serve wide to his opponent FH (assume a right handed) then down the line block combination. Use it when you play a lefty who first loop is not strong enough to kill you. Even when he knows what's coming, it's very hard to deal with it. ------------- Clipper Wood, Sanwei Gears FH, Sanwei T88-I BH. |
Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 05/10/2011 at 10:15am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFO86h0oh2w&feature=related
Guess Danie could teach some of these guys something about sidestepping A couple of points played that shows why it's such a big risk to step around and committ to the shot.------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 05/10/2011 at 12:19pm
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C'Mon Speedplay. You can take danie in a match and show 'em Urself, like you would vs Der_Echte. :) :) ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 05/10/2011 at 12:41pm
Awesome! Great videos and examples of how to be an aggressive blocker. That is the way I would like to block. Stay at the table, take balls off the bounce, hit the balls here there and everywhere so the opponent is always reacting and never dictating the pace and the game. This is much different from LP blocking. I do that agressive blocking on a much lower and slower level when I play with my hard bat. It still gives people problems. A major difference is that I try to keep the ball low and use much less power. What is similar is the ball placement so the other person must move. What is funny is that when I asked Les ( a hardbat player ) at the Paddle Palace for advice on what paddle to get last year he asked my how I played. He recommended a Samsonov Alpha with short pips. I didn't listen ( mistake ) and bought a TBS+2xT05. Now I am almost back to the Samsonv Alpha with SP. I think the pen holder has an advantage in some ways in that the FH rubber can be used almost all the time. In He Zhi Wen's case I haven't seen him use the other side. He must always use his FH SP. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 05/11/2011 at 2:11am
Der_Echte? That joker wouldn't stand a chance against me ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 05/11/2011 at 2:22am
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moderately keen to see danie play actually :D
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 05/11/2011 at 10:14am
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Speedplay, best not let Der_Echte hear that. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |