Fat in Table tennis
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Topic: Fat in Table tennis
Posted By: BallWacker
Subject: Fat in Table tennis
Date Posted: 03/08/2012 at 9:10pm
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Help, is it just me or do anyone else see a lot of Table tennis players developing big fat bellies, especially the dads =( Can Table tennis help you become fit?
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Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 03/08/2012 at 9:25pm
| no, you have to do physical fitness outside of the sport. |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 03/08/2012 at 9:26pm
| The thing is that there's no such thing as a dad that can play full time in this country. Table tennis can make you fit, ESPECIALLY actually training/practicing on a regular basis. Table tennis drilling and training takes some serious cardio- particularly multiball. TT can make you fit, but not when you're playing twice a week, working full time, and eating convenient meals instead of nutritious ones. Also especially since you consider your twice a week two hour club sessions to be your entire weekly exercise. |
Posted By: chopchopslam
Date Posted: 03/08/2012 at 9:29pm
Wow, you know me too well.  ------------- Butterfly Grubba Pro Tenergy 80 National Team Pogo LP .6mm |
beeray1 wrote:Posted By: TTeveryday
Date Posted: 03/08/2012 at 9:31pm
| It can definitely help someone to become fit but it will depend on someone's living style. If they eat healthy and excerise outside of the sport, yes they have a better chance of flattening that belly out. But if someone eats oily, sugary and high in fat products all the time and play TT just for fun, they won't be in as good of a shape as someone who is more careful. |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 03/08/2012 at 11:38pm
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I play TT for the health of it. I can maintain my weight without a diet but I play about 10-15 hours a week. As I get better my mobility increases and I am able to burn more calories. I have found that my playing ability is proportional to the energy I am willing to spend more than the equipment that I use. If you want to burn fat you have to work your biggest muscles. If you bounce from position to position like the women players do you will lose will weight. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: Re1Mu2R3
Date Posted: 03/08/2012 at 11:50pm
It's funny you say that because Fukuhara, possibly the bounciest player ever in the game is still a Fatass... ------------- How to play Table Tennis: #1. Be Chinese (Ethnicity) #2. Be Chinese(Citizenship) #3. BE CHINESE(In Heart, Mind and Spirit) #4: Get a Chinese Coach #5. Get a Chinese Forehand Rubber (Black) |
Posted By: Mike7381
Date Posted: 03/08/2012 at 11:53pm
| Table tennis can seriously help you keep fit when you play at least 10 hours a week. Just like any other exercise, one or two days a week is useless. |
Posted By: ttplayer92
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 12:17am
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fukuhara is not fat... she just has a baby face ------------- Butterfly Viscaria FH Globe 999 National BH Xiom Vega Pro |
Posted By: atv
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 12:17am
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That's the reason I picked up TT again after 15 years, I lost 20 pounds in past year by 10 hours of play every week. ------------- YEO FH: 729 08 ES BH: Focus III Snipe Senkoh-1 FH: H3 Comm BH: 755 |
Posted By: sa01
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 12:23am
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tt is a moderate workout. you can play a lot and be fat. if your only objective is to lose fat you'll be better running, swimming, etc. they burn more calories in less amount of time. |
Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 12:32am
| It'd take a lot of time with TT to lose fat. You could do better with actual physical exercise for a hour a day. |
Posted By: rick_ys_ho
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 12:38am
| Yes. However TT games are not really big workout. TT drills, especially the ones involves a lot of footwork, are very good cardio exercises. |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 12:44am
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Hehe ya... It helps like any exercise... But prob running and swimming is better!!!!! But according to a thread before... Fat guys generate more spin!!! So being fat helps with ping pong actually not so much the other way around!!!  ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: atv
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 12:46am
Did Wanghao write that thread up? ------------- YEO FH: 729 08 ES BH: Focus III Snipe Senkoh-1 FH: H3 Comm BH: 755 |
Posted By: sa01
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 12:54am
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here in clubs we don't do that much footwork and multiball, unless you are in some national team or something. also for example multiball is not like running, you do multiball for a minute and then rest 3 minutes. running you'll be like 20 minutes non stop. |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 1:34am
| Wang Hao is not fat, he is a well-rounded player. |
Posted By: Re1Mu2R3
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 1:50am
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Wang Hao and Fukuhara ARE fat but Wang Hao is muscular and can keep the weight while still being lightning fast. ------------- How to play Table Tennis: #1. Be Chinese (Ethnicity) #2. Be Chinese(Citizenship) #3. BE CHINESE(In Heart, Mind and Spirit) #4: Get a Chinese Coach #5. Get a Chinese Forehand Rubber (Black) |
Posted By: atv
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 2:05am
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Depends on which country's standard, i am 6' 185lbs and generally considered overweight in China, that's why i enjoyed my stay in the states so much ------------- YEO FH: 729 08 ES BH: Focus III Snipe Senkoh-1 FH: H3 Comm BH: 755 |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 2:28am
lol you're a goof.
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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 2:43am
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Posted By: vutiendat1337
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 4:15am
fukuhara fat? are you high or something? ------------- bty petr korbel st fh: donic bluefire red bh: dawei iqul black USATT:1811 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40320&title=feedbackvutiendat1337" rel="nofollow - Feedback me |
Posted By: EHP
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 8:01am
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I play regularly about 10 hours a week, doing multiball exercises as well. I though I'm fit. 2 weeks ago I played soccer after 15 years and I almost died after 3 minutes..., lol. |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 8:50am
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If you play the game and carry more weight, then you will have to develop a different set of skills to be competitive within the level at which you play. For example, you may find that someone who is less mobile (for whatever reason) may have good serves, a good opening topspin, good placement, soft hands (good control), some unorthodox (but effective) shots to cover the crossover or some other way to keep themselves competitive. If you were to watch a player who was larger, then you would probably find they were better in some or all of these areas than an opponent of a similar level who was more mobile. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Cho!
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 9:23am
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I wish I could recall where I found the article, But I saw some very interesting statistics about calorie burning excersises that show that playing TT burns even more calories than jogging. I don't know how they measure that or what they mean by "playing TT". I can imagine TT burning more calories if they consider doing multi-ball footwork drills as "playing TT" but besides that, I can't imagine the stop-serve-play-repeat nature of a traditional TT game to be more taxing than the constant excersise of jogging. I'm almost 100% sure the article was from the Outside magazine, but I don't remember which edition. ------------- Jpen: Senkoh-1 w. Xiom Vega Pro SH: Expert All+ w. TG3 Neo & Illumina |
Posted By: Krantz
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 9:36am
| It depends on the style you play. If you have decent technique on both sides then some styles require only minimal movement from you, so you really don't exercise much. One of the reasons I changed my grip is that I have to move a lot more now because I don't have any consistency if I try to hit the ball out of my power zone. |
Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 10:22am
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totally depends on your style. one wing all attack=extreme cardio two wing all attack=extreme cardio |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 11:04am
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Given the nature of the TT game... Doesn't it emulate HIT training? It is short high intensity burst mixed with short rest... So if u play with enough intensity... It is actually quite taxing on the body... Although not as much as doing HIT with running or something like that ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: L2Pivot
Date Posted: 03/09/2012 at 11:23am
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TT is an intense workout for me; if you play TT and it doesn't push you as much as anything else then you're not trying hard enough.
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Posted By: figgie
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 1:07pm
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Listen folk.. if playing is not hard enough.. I have the perfect answer for all of you. put one of these on. http://www.mirweightedvest.com/slim-weighted-vest/MiR-Pro-45Lbs-Slim-Weighted-Vest.html - http://www.mirweightedvest.com/slim-weighted-vest/MiR-Pro-45Lbs-Slim-Weighted-Vest.html play for one hour... Guaranteed to lose weight AND build muscle. I should know as I did that for a while and my game skyrocketed. fitness increased. Muscle definition also. Oh yes it is hard as can be. but no short cuts to improve. ;) ------------- Speed glue, booster, tuner free since 2006!!! |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 2:45pm
I resemble that remark...leave my bacon alone please. It provides me with a lower center of gravity to quickly return speedy balls in unlikely places. It is a fine covering for my six-pack that girls never see. My bacon is usefull for hiding serves and distracting my opponent. You can call me unfit but don't call me Hormel Boy or hormonally challenged. I can't spell for s*** but I love table tennis and my wife (The War Dept.) wants me to play. The muscle I build from playing seems to go away the next day for some reason...maybe it's those energy bars I eat after playing the ones covered in sugar. I make a good hiding spot in doubles when my pardner is trying to dodge a 200mph zinger. It's all good peeps...ya I'm a few pounds over but at 63 I play for fun and who knows I might get to meet some of you guys some day......and we can all go to McDonalds for lunch.  ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 5:20pm
Frogger, nice one there  L2Pivot, yep, TT can be very intensive training if you training correctly. My students (age 14~18, beginners) all just want to start matches and challenge me. I told them no, you can challenge me next year. They were laughing when I was asking them to warm up and stretch, weren't laughing anymore when I was giving them footwork drills .I only coach them for 1 and half hour - 2 times a week. I start off with warm up, stretch, footwork drills for about 30 mins. Next 30 mins would be service and short game. Then about 30 mins on the table with more drills with single ball, at first I am focusing on footwork, and also correcting the body action. Sometimes I do use multiball. For the stronger ones, I let them rally with me after practice For the ones that work hard, tells me they can feel the work out the next day to 2 days lol TT can be a "burst" sport if you make it like that |
Posted By: figgie
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 5:26pm
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Mmm McD's.... Well I said before... I gained about 35 lbs.. and was heavy.. and my game went to hell and a hand basket. lol ------------- Speed glue, booster, tuner free since 2006!!! |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 7:29pm
In the 80s, 90s and early 2000s, it was commonplace in the US Army to wear your "Flack" vest for physical fitness training occasionally to include miles long runs. To an elite athlete, it could be good training and stimulation. Done wrong to the average person (who has suprisingly poor fitness) it is a recipe for disaster of muscle and joint injuries. Such poor structure and design has been the ruin of many a veteran.
Now walking with that thing or with a light (10kg) rucksack and a load of water for 2-3 hours a day is one of the secrets of getting cut, (an expression meaning losing body fat and keeping your muscle) along with drinking Moar water and getting Moar sleep. You burn more fat at night than you realize and if you don't sleep, you won't metabolize it worth a crap. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 7:31pm
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Every time I can manage to lose 5-10 pounds where I can get into a cycle of more walking and more sleep, I tend to play better TT when I get back to the club.
There is no doubt about it, losing fat is always a plus, but it is good to keep a little on your body, but not going around as a male carrying 26-30%+ BF ratio - that is mucho malo.
Still, there are many close to the table players with that ammount of BF ration playing some outstanding TT. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: BigK
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 7:48pm
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Fat in Table Tennis? It depends on three things, what else you are doing for exercise, what you are eating, and how (and how much) you play TT. The thing you have to focus is on, is what you are eating.. If you can't change how much you play TT, how much you exercise, the only thing you can manipulate is your food. Eat cleaner, and less, and you will lose weight. Throw in a little bit of resistance training, and you will ensure that most of the weight loss will be FAT loss. |
Posted By: Cho!
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 8:57pm
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It's funny looking back at this post, because just a month before it was first created, I was 6'1 and weighed in at 206 lbs. Since then, I've started riding my bike everywhere, including to the table tennis clubs and I've dropped down to 191 lbs. It feels good to have found something to reverse my weight gain and I hope that by keeping it up, I'll eventually get back to not only a weight, but a level of fitness that I am content with. I thought about trying weighted vests, but I didn't know how much they would actually help, and I thought they would look stupid but it may be something that I'll invest in later.
------------- Jpen: Senkoh-1 w. Xiom Vega Pro SH: Expert All+ w. TG3 Neo & Illumina |
Posted By: swampthing
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 9:13pm
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If you have had any kind of knee trouble, I would avoid the weighted vest. A calorie deficit and mild exercise is the way to go.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/ - http://www.myfitnesspal.com/ helps me out, almost 30 lbs lost over the past year. ------------- Xiom Zetro Quad: FH: Hexer HD, BH: Hexer HD Galaxy K-4: Tibhar Nimbus Medium, Palio Blitz |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 1:23am
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At least I can calculate my losses http://www.myfitnesspal.com/exercise/calories-burned/table-tennis-ping-pong-182 - http://www.myfitnesspal.com/exercise/calories-burned/table-tennis-ping-pong-182
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Posted By: assiduous
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 1:45am
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The two are not related very much. Contrary to popular belief, maintaining proper weight depends almost entirely on your diet. It burns A LOT of calories for sure. I work out at the gym 4 x 45 mins a week at work, and play at the club 10-12 hours a week. I sweat like a pig at the club, and never break a sweat while lifting weights. The thing is, it is very easy to get those calories back with food, and then some. See, if you keep your normal (and healthy) food intake and start playing TT, yes, you will lose some weight. But for me and most people you increase your food intake too. I am hungry as a tiger when I get home after 4 hours at the club. I can go through the fridge like a hurricane and leave nothing inside. I fought so hard to drop 18 pounds, and I immediately gained 10 of them back. Exercise being all the same meanwhile. PROPER DIET is the only way to healthy weight. That is the bitter truth, and if anyone else tells you otherwise he doesn't know. If you think you can stuff yourself with sh1t and rely on TT to keep you int the game, you are in for a rough awakening. And I don't mean starvation by dieting. You can be always full but you have to select what you throw down your throat. ------------- puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 2:39am
| Hard physical work is the only solution to obesity. |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 2:54am
Agree, Having coming from a family in medicine, a lot of people are intaking too much acid type of foods and this is the main problem for all illnesses Normally the yummy stuff are high in acid. One would require to take an equal amount of alkaline food to balance it, and I think that is where problems start. The wise one will say your body needs to be more alkaline than acid, so i'm not saying stop acid food intake, but rather make sure your balance is on the correct side. I won't say acid/alkaline will fix obesity, but sure will be a good start and help more than half way in fixing it. |
Posted By: atv
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 3:10am
Well in tradional chinese medicine system the acid/alkaline doesn't literally mean acid/alkaline, human body PH will stay at 7.4 to 7.5 no matter what you eat. It's more of healthy/unhealthy metaphor. ------------- YEO FH: 729 08 ES BH: Focus III Snipe Senkoh-1 FH: H3 Comm BH: 755 |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 4:03am
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I was indeed refering to TCM, and no it is not just a metaphor, a lot of people understand what is acid based food, what is alkaline based food. Ofcourse in TCM you have Ying and Yang which is very important to determine what food is healthy for you or not. IE fruit may be too "cold" for certain people at night, and will cause more harm than good. If it wasn't due to my illness, I would been studying TCM this year already (career change). Never the less, I have been around TCM all my life - due to my parents. Trust me, eating alkaline is way better than acid. In western medical terms, I think they use other words or examples. IE acid food normally has high fat levels. My parents will teach patient when they drink coffee (alkaline) that it is okay, but the moment milk is added, it changes the alkaline base of coffee into acid, then it is not good, plus then you have people adding spoons and spoons of sugar which makes it worse. |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 4:08am
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ATV, I read your post again, I think I know what you mean. Maybe a lot of people here don't understand or can tell the different between Acid and Alkaline food, I guess I also struggling to explain it with my broken English .Any ways, I was just pointing that food intake is very important, as a lot of doctors (or my parents should I say) stated that if you eat wrong (too much acid), you will have a lot of problems in the future. I am also choosing examples very carefully, as I said a lot of acid food is yummy stuff and if I make it sound like you guys all going to get in trouble because you are eating this or that, then I'm gonna be a public enemy :) |
Posted By: atv
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 6:16am
Yes TCM is ver confusing, let's not mess this thread up... ------------- YEO FH: 729 08 ES BH: Focus III Snipe Senkoh-1 FH: H3 Comm BH: 755 |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 6:32am
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Posted By: BigK
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 11:09am
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From a personal experience I went from my top weight of 6'1 275 to 215 in just about 3 months. It was a combination of resistance training (I gained a lot of muscle in the process) low to occasional mild intensity cardio, and a very stringent diet. If I want to lose a few pounds quickly I can tighten up my diet and see results immediately, but in general I eat healthy all the time, with a few 'cheats' here and there. I am a little too bulky for the common TT player right now (6'1 230lbs), so I am working on a lot of cardio, plyometrics, and explosive movements like Olympic lifts. I do some personal training for individuals so that is what experience I speak from, I've helped quite a bit of people to really change how they look. Like a few that have mentioned, managing caloric intake is the big part. HOW you train, will determine HOW you look. (in the sense of if you train like a sprinter, you will look like one, if you train like a marathoner you will look like one, etc)
Weighted Vests are okay for walks or resistance training. (Lunges/squats etc) I am not a big fan of people running with weighted vests. (keep thinking of knees, and rolled ankles) If you begin to plateau with your weightloss, take a look at your diet and also increase the intensity of your bike rides. (Ride faster/longer) |
Posted By: Cho!
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 11:38am
Honestly, I don't ride my bike FOR the fitness, I just don't have a ride out to the club. The ride is a commute to me and just happens to burn calories, which I'm happy about. I could ride longer, however I already have to ride 12 miles to get out there, then I play TT for 4 hours and have to ride 12 miles back home, if I went an alternate, longer route, I'd probably die. I do however try to push my time out there out of self competition. I've been able to cut my time out there from 1hr 20min down to 50min, except on days I didn't get enough sleep.
------------- Jpen: Senkoh-1 w. Xiom Vega Pro SH: Expert All+ w. TG3 Neo & Illumina |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 12:11pm
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Avoid eating fatty foods before playing!!! I saw a TV program where they drew blood from a person before and after eating a fatty meal. The put the blood samples in a centrifuge and you could actually see the fat or what ever the fat creates in the blood. I know I can't play as well after eating fatty foods. Trans fats and saturated fats are very bad. Some fats are actually good for you like fish oil and olive oil if taken in moderation. One of the best sources of protein I have found is non fat cottage cheese. For someone my size, 120-125kg , I should have no more than 53gm of fat a day. A slice of cheese cake may have 80gm. Most of you are smaller so scale back the grams of fat per day. I did try to live on 20 gm of fat a day. My lips started to dry out where I needed lip balm all the time and my skin would crack, not good so don't get carried away. As far as getting rid of fat. That is simple. Burn more calories than what you eat. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 12:22pm
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Table tennis is the only sport I can think of that is good excercise that I don't think of as "excercise" because I'm having such a good time playing. During tournaments I drink tons of water and love to eat bananas. Blood sugar levels are very important while playing...so fuel up and play hard. ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 2:50pm
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Since I started playing for real with my boys 5 months ago, I've lost about 5 - 7 lbs, dropped about 5 pts off systolic and diastolic BP and knocked 1:15 seconds off my time in the mile. In my newbie opinion, it all depends on how you play. You run all over the place, sprint from sidee to side, go after it, you can get in great shape (or at least I'm starting to get there), you stand there and just hold your side of table, it's about as much physical activity as the average trucker steering his 18 wheeler through traffic. Some great players are in terrible physical shape. Bavly up in MA probably can't climb three flights of stars without a break, but he could sure destroy me in a TT match! |
Posted By: BarbecueTT
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 2:55pm
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I'm overweight and try to play table tennis at work. It's been about a month and I haven't lost anything :-( Anyone have any tips for people trying to lose weight through TT? |
Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 2:57pm
It's different exercise, that was your problem. You can be fit in one way, but not in another. Your muscles just aren't toned for soccer. The soccer players might start struggling after playing a few 5 game sets of serious table tennis. Years ago I was in outstanding cardio shape, I was running some serious stairs at flat out speeds 5 days a week, weight lifting with high, good-for-cardio reps, had a low resting heart rate, I was in great shape, almost as good as when I was a collegiate boxer. I played basketball with some friends, thinking I could run with anyone, but my legs were getting pump up and refusing to work after about 15 minutes. I struggled to make them move and wore myself out quickly. I was in great stair running shape, but my muscles weren't good for basketball. |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 2:59pm
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lol, Good point there RankAmateur. On a similar note, I hate it when I play some old Chinese ex pro. Never moves, wearing wrong clothes (long pants, long shirt, wrong shoes etc), plays so casual and beats the sh*t out of me lol When I was in training clinic 8 years ago, my coach was about 70, he can hardly even walk properly, but damn he is good. |
Posted By: dingyibvs
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 2:16am
Losing weight is all about energy intake vs energy expenditure. No matter how much energy you expend, if you're just making up for it by eating more, say BBQ  , then you won't lose any weight.------------- Blade: Hurricane Long 5 (968) FL FH: D09C max BH: D09C max |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 9:46am
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I agree with a lot of the previous posts here about maintaining a healthy lifestyle outside ot TT. TT is a great cardio workout but if you eat a lot of junk food and drink a lot of sodas you will still be fat. I know 1 player at our club that is a good 1900 player that plays probably 5x a week, but he is still 50 - 60 lbs overweight. He drinks a ton of Mountain Dew in between his matches and lord only knows what he eats. I eat a lot of low fat food and my family eats a lot of organic food so we are all pretty fit, but I need to lose 5-10 lbs. There is a really good documentary I would recommend called "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead". This guy was taking a lot of medicine and was way overweight. He decided to just go on a juice diet for 60 days to get healthy again. He also completely changed his lifestyle, and thats key if you want to get healthy. I haven't finished the movie, but he made an amazing transformation. Highly recommend watching his movie. ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 11:28am
I do. Play at least two times a week - 4 hours at the table altogether is really the desired minimum. However, I suspect that office TT is not very demanding and you do not expend that much energy per hour as you should... I might be wrong there of course. And - even more important - stop eating after 8-9 pm and eliminate hamburgers and white-bread-and-mayo-sandwiches from your food intake. That should help a lot!Spoken out of my own experience. I have started playing after a 12-yr hiatus when I messed up my knees playing badminton (had to quit everything for 18 months). My weight reached 225 lbs (height 6'1") so I was getting really flabby. So I did what I just said and in 4-5 months I lost 25 pounds. Just now - after three years of trying to lower it a bit more (I plateaued at 198-202) - I made a bet with my sparring partner that in three months we both will lose 10 pounds. So I once again (LOL) stopped eating after 9 pm (I go to bed around 1 am so it's about 4 hours before bed time), and I once again stopped eating bread and butter sandwiches and similar carbohydrated junk. It's one month into the bet and I lost 5 pounds... but it's getting trickier with every next one, I tell ya! ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 11:52am
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Michael Phelps caloric intake is downright scary, but it turns out a lot of it is used just to maintain his body temperature while in the water. Maybe if you keep yourself just a bit cold all the time --- fewer layers of clothing, slightly cold shower, etc, that will force your body to burn more calories to stay warm. So, the next time you're at the club, turn up the AC and strip down to your undies to play.
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Posted By: dingyibvs
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 6:27pm
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People can also consider gastric bypass surgery and such. Most people just assume that it works by limiting your food intake, but most recent medical research suggest otherwise. That it can limit your food intake is certainly a big part, but people also undergo tremendous hormonal changes after the surgery. The mechanism of how it happens is very poorly understood, but it's a fact that over 80%(I've read even higher) of the people who undergo gastric bypass surgeries have CURED their type 2 diabetes. Not an improvement, not even a regression, but a complete, almost IMMEDIATE(like within weeks of the surgery) CURE. And no, this isn't some sort of get-lean-quick scheme I read over the internet, this was taught at the U.S. medical school I'm currently attending. I've also read some legitimate research articles that have investigated this issue. Now obviously, dieting and exercise would still be the best route to take, and you should still do that even if you get surgery, but there's a gigantic genetic component to obesity. We all have a set weight point and it appears to increase with age(to a point), which is why there is the common and very true saying that losing weight is easy, keeping the weight loss is hard. Our bodies naturally try to reset our weights to the set point, and it can be difficult to fight against your own body every waking moment. Just to clarify, I have absolutely no affiliation whatsoever with any GI surgeon or pharmaceutical company, I'm just trying to pass on the latest and shocking medical news I've learned in school.
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Posted By: jkillashark
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 7:45pm
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Footwork and forehand is ALWAYS the answer. ------------- Butterfly Viscaria FL FH: Black DHS Neo Hurricane 3 Blue Sponge National BH: Red Butterfly Tenergy 80 Footwork and forehand is always the answer. |
Posted By: BarbecueTT
Date Posted: 05/04/2012 at 6:09pm
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Thanks for the advice everyone. I do tend to eat quite late. Is there a scientific reason as to why this adds fat? (I'll have hard time giving up BBQ, my favorite food  )I play about 2 hours a week. I'm not sure what constitutes as "demanding" TT. I usually work up a sweat.
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Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 05/04/2012 at 11:11pm
No
That is not enough. It takes about 10 to 15 hours a week of TT sweat just to maintain if you don;t diet and avoid beer. It may take even more depending on how you play TT. It should be obvious that if you just stand there you don't burn many calories. You have to move. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/05/2012 at 8:29am
hi BBQTT, I can see it in your name that it is your fav food lol. Regarding eat quite late. In TCM, they recommed to have atleast 3 hours gap between your dinner and sleep. Some TCM practioners recommend not to eat after 8pm. As it is important to sleep before 11pm, so that is how the number adds up. Ofcourse what you eat also plays an important role. I don't think TCM theories are scientificly approved though, but it is approved by WHO |
Posted By: xander7803
Date Posted: 05/05/2012 at 10:15am
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DIET is 75% of how you look and feel! There is an easy to understand concept (that unfortunately alot of people do not understand. Your body is a fatburning machine! Literally! But...it needs food every 3 to 4 hours!!! and GOOD FOOD!!!!(ratio of 40%/40%/20%).
40%. Protein!!!! Meat! Mostly chicken, beef, pork and fish 40%. FAT! Yes fat! But good fat, extra virgin olive oil, and the fat from the meat. It is very important! the body needs that good fat to function properly! 20%. This is where alot of people make mistakes and have a hard time to keep up this lifestyle! Because it is a lifestyle not a diet!!!! Your carbohydrate intake it's the one that makes it or brakes it. good luck! |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 05/05/2012 at 10:59am
But not fat from red meat. It contains saturated fat which isn't good for you and you will live better without it. Also, 40% is too high. The link below recommends 30%. My DR recommends less. http://www.health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2000/document/choose.htm - http://www.health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2000/document/choose.htm ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: bavasaurus
Date Posted: 05/11/2012 at 1:01pm
Yes, my physical fitness has held me back in the USATT 2150-2200 range instead of being in the 2400's where I belong. I've found that for every 200 calories I burn playing tt, I work up a 300 calorie appetite, so I need to cut down playing table tennis to no more than once per week to get into shape. Now that I'm out of practice, I'm still stuck in the 2150-2200 range. I tested myself with 3 flights of stairs. I admit the 3rd flight got me a bit winded. Have a look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE5q6qEWibk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?  |
Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 05/11/2012 at 1:37pm
Bavly FTW! that's awesome man.
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Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 05/11/2012 at 1:52pm
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We should do a poll on how many members are slightly or way overweight..... Haha or fat!!! ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: BarbecueTT
Date Posted: 05/11/2012 at 6:06pm
What's considered slightly and what's considered way overweight?
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Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 05/13/2012 at 1:38pm
When picking up the ball from the floor becomes the most challenging part of a match, that would be considered in the way overweight category.
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 7:21pm
WOW! you were once 13 points away from 2400!!! can we watch some youtube matches of yours when you have time to share with us? and WELCOME! ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: Pondus
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 10:53pm
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Amen to the: physical fitness (or lack thereof) holding one back significantly. I'm SOOOO out of shape its ridiculous. And not only out of shape in terms of conditioning, but I have gained so much stupid weight the last 10 years. GRRRRRRRRRR. Today, as I'm trying to get back into playing, I was completely tanked after 2 matches. Empty. Done. Toast. During my second match I would literally just serve and go for a winner in the last 3 games. I had zero energy. So I ended up losing in 5 - and this guy is probably rated 400-500 points (USATT) below where I should be. I'm officially booking a room here at the 'fat TT club'.  |
Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 05/31/2012 at 7:29am
Not sure if you realize my 2387 rating was achieved 100 lbs ago. Since this thread is about fitness and your location shows Seattle, WA, here's a link to my match with Valerie Kim. One of the biggest fitness mismatches ever staged. I don't know Kim other than from our match, but I could tell he was one of the most physically fit players I've ever faced. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icy_TfBlcb0 |
Posted By: power7
Date Posted: 06/01/2012 at 1:25am
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I use to participate in a sport with weight classes. So I understand making weight is a difficult process. Negative calories burn sounds interesting. But in reality it is eating lots of salads with no cheese and very little dressing. Sometimes you go for weeks on a soup diet (savory water is filling). Soups were more like broth, no bisque or cream of whatever soups. Fried food are out of the question. Carbs had to be complex. No white bread, no white rice. We do a lot of jogging 5 miles a couple times a week. Sometimes if we wanted to save our legs we would go biking but twice the distance as jogging, so 10 miles. Another exercise we found helpful was stair training. There was a football stadium near by and we would do 3 sets. First set was bottom to top single steps. 2nd set was bottom to top skipping 1 step. 3rd set was bottom to top skipping 2 steps. Since making weight was important we would not try to bulk up with weight training. But would do lots of drills with resistance bands. TT is a good exercise, but you have be intense for it to become a weight loss activity. Sometimes I feel strange at less competitive clubs. Playing like I was training for a major competition by hitting loop drives at their elbows, and it's an elderly person or little kid at the other end of the table. That's when I decide to take them to deuce, and let them win. More exercise for me. ------------- DHS PG-7, H3 Neo, 729-5 Butterfly Power-7, Red TG2 Neo 39degree, Black Donic Bluefire M1 |
Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 06/01/2012 at 4:39am
I started reading this post and immediately its style told me that it was Heftyspin. ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: dipperdave
Date Posted: 06/01/2012 at 6:10pm
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Table tennis can definitely HELP you lose weight but you have to be committed besides. I played a lot in the 70s and 80s then didn't play from 1992 to 2009 (17 years of raising a family, working etc). Started back up (I'm 52 now) and lost 30 pounds so far. Got my rating back up into the 1900s and I play very hard. Mostly forehand looper so need a lot of footwork. Usually play 2x per week and train 2x per week but one training session is 3 solid hours of drills followed by 1 hour of games so it's very intense.
When I came back, I could only play about 2 matches and I was worn out, now I can play much more without getting exhausted. But I want to lose another 40 pounds and table tennis is the only way I will be able to do it. I also try to do a few ellyptical sessions a week as well, but TT is my main source of activity.
Hang in there, everyone that needs to lose some weight, be committed and consistent. A bad day or bad week (eating) is going to happen but just keep it up and you will improve your body and your game.
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Posted By: Ignarus
Date Posted: 06/01/2012 at 9:37pm
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I find that wearing anything more than a thin layer of breathably body paint is too heavy for league night.
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Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 06/02/2012 at 12:51am
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[/QUOTE] Yes, my physical fitness has held me back in the USATT 2150-2200 range instead of being in the 2400's where I belong. I've found that for every 200 calories I burn playing tt, I work up a 300 calorie appetite, so I need to cut down playing table tennis to no more than once per week to get into shape. You've gotta be kidding. For most people physical exercise makes you lose weight. Don't play the appetite game. That's just like telling the teacher "I didn't do my homework, because I was too busy playing video games." I do like that you are mixing table tennis with strength training. Very good for burning fat.
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Posted By: bluebucket
Date Posted: 06/02/2012 at 1:32am
| You guys doing that are overweight must be doing something drastically wrong, perhaps we can start a thread where the people that are high level diet "players" can pitch in with some advice |
Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 06/02/2012 at 6:20am
It's more about self control. Skinny person consumes 1 doughnut a day. Overweight person consumes 10 doughnuts a day. I'm not fatist. Overweight people will live longer in times of starvation and with 2012 coming up it might be a good thing to be overweight :D However, I shake my head when I hear an overweight person saying that he/she really wants to lose weight, but eats 10 doughnuts a day without fail. Contradicted... On the other hand, I admire the fat people that are proud and don't give excuses for being heavy.
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Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 06/02/2012 at 7:03am
It's called addiction. Same with people who want to stop smoking or viewing pornography etc. ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 06/08/2012 at 2:42am
Addictions can be controlled and conquered. If not, then learn to love yourself and your addiction. Smoking, gambling and eating may have side effects, but they are extremely enjoyable. Nothing wrong with living it up and enjoying the moment. It's okay to be large, just as long as you're large and in charge. Watch and learn. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcinwdIqXtU&feature=relmfu - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcinwdIqXtU&feature=relmfu
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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 06/08/2012 at 3:02am
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How fat precisely one should be not to play TT? This is the only sport where fat fellows are welcome - except for sumo, of course. |
Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 06/08/2012 at 9:09am
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There's no weight limit in USATT tourneys. If one's size limits his level of play, he just competes in an appropriate rating level event. Here's an example of a match between two heavyweights (myself and Richard McAfee) played at a respectable level. Note that Richard used frictionless Neubauer at the time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSTHQlMicuo |
Posted By: TAW
Date Posted: 06/08/2012 at 11:45am
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really, Table tennis can definitely HELP you lose weight ------------- taw |
Posted By: Pondus
Date Posted: 06/08/2012 at 11:52am
Huhhh???
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Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 06/09/2012 at 1:35am
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haha, just come across this youtube video, two heavyweight tt players against each other. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O68jmkOBkA0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O68jmkOBkA0 ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 06/09/2012 at 2:47am
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That is nothing. This is the clash of the Titans. http://youtu.be/YSTHQlMicuo - http://youtu.be/YSTHQlMicuo I have made the URL a link so that all the rest of you don't have to cut and paste a URL. This makes it easy for everyone else. Egghead, one of my pet peeves is those that do make their URLs a link. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 06/09/2012 at 3:49am
| These two guys are anorexics compared to 65 yo twins, ex-pros, now abt 2200 RC, totaling 600 pounds. I will videotape them next time they come to play. |
Posted By: dabookerman
Date Posted: 06/09/2012 at 11:33am
Yes, because there have never been any fat golfers or even fat PROFESSIONAL golfers. That's too funny... ------------- Photino FL Yasaka Rising Dragon Short Pips |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 06/09/2012 at 12:14pm
or fat MLB baseball players Actually, I thought bowling is the only sport where fat fellows are welcome. you know, all the beers, nacho, and other finger foods on the side line. pnachtwey, I thought the editor will pick up the url address and will add the url tag ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: atv
Date Posted: 06/11/2012 at 2:13am
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Snooker, Darts, and Sumo.... ------------- YEO FH: 729 08 ES BH: Focus III Snipe Senkoh-1 FH: H3 Comm BH: 755 |