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Topic: Full match - comments welcome
Posted By: seguso
Subject: Full match - comments welcome
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 6:38am
Hi guys,

This is my match of yesterday in the league (third division):

http://youtu.be/jed8KfUrXcA?t=32s - http://youtu.be/jed8KfUrXcA?t=32s

I am the one in black.

I wonder what my US ranking would be. What do you say?

I am playing in the third division in my country, but hope to be in the second next year.

My equipment: fh: aurus max. Bh: sigma europe max; blade: clipper wood 96 grams.

I think I should increase the blade speed because my loops were too short.

Also I think I need more arc on fh. I am going to try m2 and m1 instead of aurus.


Anyway, comments are welcome. :)

Edit: What I notice: my opponent was good at varying the amount of bh backspin in push. So some of my opening loops went long. I did not realize in time some of the pushes were almost flat. Second , he quickly discovered my main weakness: responding to short flat service on fh. I need to learn to respond with bh flip, or to keep them low and short with fh. Third, I seriously need to improve my bh loop.



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pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video



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Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 7:09am
LOL.

I am afraid poor ZJK will have a tough time. Ma Long is in top form and he is still recovering...


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pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video


Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 7:27am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

You definitely can loop with your fh and I watched some crazy cool rallies; recovery is great.

If I have to criticize I would say this (are you ready?): when your buddy is looping hard you just block putting your blade in front of you like you respect him and do not want to counter loop him; the fact is I saw you many times having enough time to snap your fh on his fh loops and even more:

I saw that too, and I think the reason is my feet were wrong. I had just played a bh topspin, and I hadn't recovered properly, so the right foot was still foreword, left was backwards. I am working on this.

It might be mental attitude, as you say, but I think it's the wrong feet position.

Thank for the rest of your comments :)


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pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video


Posted By: nikk64
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 8:35am
Seguso good game, watch a little lower center of gravity of the body. I wish you success!

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Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 8:40am
only maybe 2% of players on the forum are good enough to really critique your game. You're far better than most on here.

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Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 8:42am
Originally posted by nikk64 nikk64 wrote:

Seguso good game, watch a little lower center of gravity of the body. I wish you success!


Thank you man. It is very difficult to stay lower. I tried but it does not give immediate improvements. Apparently I become slower, not faster. Also, I have to change the swing, because my blade hits the right knee on fh... more than lower, I think I have to keep my legs wider. which is the same in a sense.


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pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video


Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 8:46am
Originally posted by dalamchops dalamchops wrote:

only maybe 2% of players on the forum are good enough to really critique your game. You're far better than most on here.


Really? Very well, I can quit then. Sleepy


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pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video


Posted By: tabten5
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 9:20am
You have a lovely BH close to the table. Great wrist snap. As you say, it's less consistent and weaker away from the table. Your FH is a strange one, as you have a decent loop, although the action is a little stiff and straight up for my tastes - a very good player would counter loopdrive your opening loop, as it's too much 'up' spin and not enough power and placement. I'd say you need to get more of your legs and hips into your FH loop, and especially your third ball.

Your short FH game is just about ok, given that you play with a brick. Before I watched the video, and based on your equipment, I thought you might be a penholder, or at least a wicked-serve-and-third-ball-kill kind of player. But you're not: you're a softish looper with a good BH. A 96g Clipper Wood doesn't seem like the right blade for you, and that seems very apparent in your short FH serve returns - you don't seem to have much touch there. A lighter 5-ply may also help you to read the amount of spin on pushes better, and increase your blade speed (you'd need to have a Wang Liqin physique to bring a 96g blade through with enough force to kill the point over and over again.)

That's it for now! (And, as everyone else has been putting caveats, I am better than you, but that doesn't mean I'm a good coach!)


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Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 9:43am
thank you tabten5, your suggestions are interesting. there are a couple of things I need to explain.

as for my fh opening loop, the problem is that the guys I train with have a heavy push, so my opening loop barely passes the net. Another problem is that I was never sure how much backspin was in the push of my opponent, as I don't have a lot of experience, so I lifted a lot more than I should.

more in general, I tend to play safe in opening loops because I am not good at reading the amount of spin of the ball. (I have been playing table tennis for 3 years only).

as for the blade: I chose a heavy stiff 7-ply blade because it is the only one which gives me enough power to finish the point against slow balls, without being too hard (and therefore bouncy). For example, if I were to use a lighter blade, or a more flexible blade, it would also have to be much harder, and then service response would become a problem. in particular bh over-the-table flip, which I am still developing. service response is still my main weakness.

In other words, my heavy clipper wood is slow when you want play safe, because it is soft. But it has (barely) enough power to kill against dead balls, assuming I do a full-arm swing.


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pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video


Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 9:46am
Originally posted by tabten5 tabten5 wrote:

a very good player would counter loopdrive your opening loop


That's exactly what happens to me usually. But I find this is useful because this way I get quick at recovering. And I can't really be more aggressive at opening loop because I can't read the spin well enough. That ability will come with time I guess.


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pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video


Posted By: bonggoy
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 10:09am
Originally posted by Sucmy jagon Sucmy jagon wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

YOU SUCK MAN!!!!  sorry just kidding I am just waiting for the final ml/zjk; I'll be watching your game and brb to comment; ciao.


Why would you post that? Just say nothing wtf. You guys around 2100-2250


I would lean towards the higher end of your estimate. We have a few 2200 level players in my club, and in my opinion, and he plays a little bit better than them.


Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 1:57pm
Seguso
Okay, that is an interesting exercise - I am a little weaker than you, in my club (Eastern US) I think you would be around 1800-1900. I wonder how you like your: (a) ready position, (b) footwork, and (c) focus level when attacking? I don't know, it is easy to become critical, but that's what we wanna do here, right? Cheers.


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Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 2:12pm
Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

Seguso
Okay, that is an interesting exercise - I am a little weaker than you, in my club (Eastern US) I think you would be around 1800-1900. I wonder how you like your: (a) ready position, (b) footwork, and (c) focus level when attacking? I don't know, it is easy to become critical, but that's what we wanna do here, right? Cheers.


Thank you. I don't like the footwork and my focus level when attacking. In particular, as I said, I am slow to realize the spin on the incoming ball, that's why my third ball is weak I think. I think this will come with experience. About the slow footwork, I think it might be due to the fact that I still think a lot when playing. As for the ready position, I don't see a problem; I sit ready to respond to long flat service on bh with a loop; if the ball is short, I move the right foot forwards and try to bh flip.


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pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video


Posted By: pingponger
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 2:32pm
Great video.  Not sure I have the right to say a rating, being just a beginner.  But I do see a couple of players where I play, and they play like you in many ways.  They are between 1800 - 2000.

Side question:
I often see those wooden racks on the wall in many European TT videos held in gyms.  What are those for?



Posted By: bonggoy
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 2:35pm
Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

Seguso
Okay, that is an interesting exercise - I am a little weaker than you, in my club (Eastern US) I think you would be around 1800-1900. I wonder how you like your: (a) ready position, (b) footwork, and (c) focus level when attacking? I don't know, it is easy to become critical, but that's what we wanna do here, right? Cheers.


I think he is a bit stronger than your estimate. I am over 2000 and I don't think I can beat him. Except maybe a fast rising overly under rated junior, I haven't seen an 1800-1900 level player loop consistently, forehand and backhand like him.


Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 2:36pm
You are a very good player. The only critique I can honestly say is bend your knees a bit more. Other than that I don't have the authority and ability to critique someone clearly better than me.

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Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge


Posted By: Pondus
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 2:45pm
Originally posted by pingponger pingponger wrote:

Side question:
I often see those wooden racks on the wall in many European TT videos held in gyms.  What are those for? 

Ha - yeah, that's funny - I've never thought about those not being around here in the US. Anyway, I grew up in Europe and they were in pretty much any gym (school gyms, that is) that I can recall. They called "ribs" and are used for various exercises during gym classes.

Sorry if I added to the side-tracking to your thread, Seguso. I watched your video, and enjoyed it (I generally like watching other members here play, because then you get an idea of who you're "talking to" here). I'm bad at guessing ratings kind of stuff, but what others have said about a US rating in the 1800-1900 range is probably likely.

If you don't mind, I'll add your video to the "Videos of MYTT members" thread. Smile



Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by Pondus Pondus wrote:

Originally posted by pingponger pingponger wrote:

Side question:
I often see those wooden racks on the wall in many European TT videos held in gyms.  What are those for? 
...

If you don't mind, I'll add your video to the "Videos of MYTT members" thread. Smile



Of course I don't mind.

Thanks everyone for the comments.

Those wooden racks I don't think have ever been used in the last thirty years. I think in the past they used them to hang children who misbehaved.  Embarrassed

That gym was old and nearby Naples. Other parts of Italy are in better shape :)


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pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 3:04pm
Seguso, 

You are a better player than myself, so I have little to say.  I would place you at 2000+, with the potential to be higher if you have more diversity to your game than you've shown here and the potential to be lower if your opponent can exploit aspects of your game not shown. 

The one thing that was not shown was your within the table game.  Your opponent never forced you to use it. 




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Posted By: Pingvinis
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 3:18pm
Originally posted by pingponger pingponger wrote:

Side question:
I often see those wooden racks on the wall in many European TT videos held in gyms.  What are those for? 

On the most basic level, in school gyms, just for climbing, like this: 



Later on, kids can do more or less advanced gymnastics drills. Climbing the bars upside-down and so on. So it can be a gateway for rock climbing or advanced gymnastics. 


Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 3:20pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Seguso, 

You are a better player than myself, so I have little to say.  I would place you at 2000+, with the potential to be higher if you have more diversity to your game than you've shown here and the potential to be lower if your opponent can exploit aspects of your game not shown. 

The one thing that was not shown was your within the table game.  Your opponent never forced you to use it. 




Let me think... what you didn't see in the video is basically:

short push against short service: good but not great. I can't take the ball early enough.

forehand flip on flat ball: I'm not very good but I am starting to do it.

forehand flip on backspin ball: I cannot do it at all.

block: I block fairly well, but I am not an active blocker like my opponent.

volley: I can do it very well but for some reason the umpire always gives the point to the opponent.




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pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video


Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 3:22pm
[duplicate post, sorry.]


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pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video


Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 3:28pm
Hi mate i think overall you have a nice smooth game, you seem to be able to spin up/ roll up most serves to your backhand, I would guess at your current division others don't attack that shot but higher level players will be waiting for it, so keep working on faster and more variable returns on that side
     Maybe a tiny bit more strategy when serving as you just tend to walk up and serve almost in the one movement, I think you should be thinking about third ball attacks as a rule rather than doing a med loop as this will be dominated at the next levels up,
 What I mean is If you know what you have done in your serve and you get your predicted return then that's the ones to attack, so practice a variety of serves that look the same , you will find some light top spin or no spin forehand serves to create pop ups and go all out,  I'm saying these service suggestions in contrast to say serving backspin and they backspin back and you doing a med loop
 
 also watch some of the strategies of your top player to add to your game,and have some practice games focusing on third ball attack and don't look at the score
 but you are not bad for only 3 years of table tennis Thumbs Up

 


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Posted By: khmd
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 3:32pm
I think that you are about 1875-1925 based on my club's players
in that range.

I guess that stiga ebenholz V maybe fit you more
after seeing your playing style.


Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 3:34pm
Originally posted by dalamchops dalamchops wrote:

only maybe 2% of players on the forum are good enough to really critique your game. You're far better than most on here.


how you know?


Posted By: Whang
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 3:41pm
Just my two cents..your footwork is kinda slow..it feels like your footwork follows where your upper body goes when it should be the one bringing your upper body where it needs to be. Hope that makes sense.

You can also add more follow through to some of your loops...sometimes the follow through stops at the arm level..I usually use my whole body for follow through on hard loops..but maybe that's just because I'm a penholder..

As for your backhand loops, you can try starting from a lower point than just table level. I'm no shakehander, but give it a try. :)

You should also start actively incorporating this to your shots:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUdE5JwY-eI - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUdE5JwY-eI

Just my two cents :)


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FH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (Black - 2.15mm - 41 deg)

BH: 729 Focus III Snipe (Red - 2.10mm - 42 deg)

Weight: 168.57g


Posted By: Toprank
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 3:53pm
I like your backhand a lot. Nice consistent controlled loops. Footwork and athleticism are your slight downfalls. I think you would have some difficulty keeping up with the pace of friend of mine that is 2100, but if you played him strategically you could give him a run. Your backhand is more consistent than his, but his forehand is a rocket launcher. He's real atheltic and young so he works around to use his forehand beautifully.
You would beat the handful of 1700 to 1800 guys that I play with handily. If it's safe to say you would fall in the 1950 to 2150 range. Somewhere in there.

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BH- Xiom Vega Europe


Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 5:03pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Seguso, 

You are a better player than myself, so I have little to say.  I would place you at 2000+, with the potential to be higher if you have more diversity to your game than you've shown here and the potential to be lower if your opponent can exploit aspects of your game not shown. 

The one thing that was not shown was your within the table game.  Your opponent never forced you to use it. 



This summarizes exactly what I was thinking.

I'm very curious about the short game of both you and your opponent.  I didn't see many short pushes, so the rallies started very quickly.  Everything seemed to go off the table so the other guy could loop.  Without knowing more, this could be a weakness that just wasn't exploited or a strength that you and your opponent were avoiding.
It seemed odd to me that neither you or your opponent wanted to keep the ball short - almost like you were both content with the other guy opening.


Posted By: The Shakehander
Date Posted: 02/18/2013 at 11:29pm
From a non-playing amateur photographer :) here's what i see *remember you asked on an open forum*
 
* you "jerk" your pushes, they work right now but you'll get even better action on the ball if you stop that.
 
* you arm a lot of the shots (not sure if it's due to exhaustion?) especially off the forehand, you need to start working those waist muscles especially for more action on the ball on your forehand  or else you'll continue to get tired fast becasue you build a lot of tension in your forearm just by "arming" the strokes.
 
*you tend to hit the majority of your balls facing the table with your belly button, this causes a loss in power to your strokes and you'll then start using your wrists too much to direct the ball again leading to tired forearms.
 
* all of the above can be improved once you start really working your footwork.
 
*you can return the favour when i post mine* Tongue


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/19/2013 at 12:15am
Here are Jim T's comments:

Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by Pondus Pondus wrote:

Video of member  http://segusomytabletennis.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=21730 - Seguso  playing (wearing the all black outfit):



Good game. Four quick comments for seguso

a) work on your BH swing when you attack - it has to begin lower, from racket being dipped
b) maintain better balance - you need to recover your body equilibrium faster
c) work on executing your FH attack with some more power - you are relying a lot on good placement but often (against better opponents) you need more "oomph" so to speak.

Good touch, consistency, and very nice tenacity! FTW!


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Posted By: garwor
Date Posted: 02/19/2013 at 4:00am
Nice game Seguso, I enjoyed video. Don't change equipment, your fh loops look good, maybe just try different timings and bat angles, like hitting ball earlier with faster, more closed bat.

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Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 02/19/2013 at 3:45pm
Hmmm...ok watched about 5 minutes of the video. Impressions are that your BH loop/counter is very good and FH loop is pretty good too. You seem to play very well in rallys. Your serves seem to be much lower level though compared to how good the rest of your game is. I can see you playing 2000 - 2100 in rallys, but your serves would probably hold you back a bit in the 1900 range.  Overall I like your game and think you can improve to a higher level with some work on your serves, footwork, etc.
Thanks for posting the video.


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Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH
Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH


Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 02/20/2013 at 8:32am
1 - You should lean forward a bit more with your legs a bit more apart. This would do wonders for your body balance.
2 - Why is your left leg in front of your right so many times when playing FHs? Maybe you should try having your right leg back instead, coz it doesn't affect your BH much but it will increase your FH quality immensely. I personally can't imagine myself doing FH with right leg in front, except when moving forward to loop-kill short balls. Also to relax your grip, drop your wrist a bit more, your bat and your arm should form a straight line. 
3 - I wouldn't say you should turn your waist more, it may result in destroying your compact stroke (it's good btw). The key here is not movement but force. If you moved your waist 180 degrees but didn't exert any meaningful force to the ball it would still be useless. You should almost completely rely on waist rotation + your right leg pushing forward for your FH stroke. I don't care about the magnitude of the motion, but you should increase the force exerted. I like how you have minimal arm backswing which is really good. 

4 - BH is good on quick strokes, not so good on power strokes. The reason is that your stroke has too much arm and not enough waist rotation + uncurling of the back (use your abs!). It's good that you have good feeling on the BH now, you just need to minimize arm motion even more (figure out the bare minimum) and use your body to give the ball a nudge forward when you hit the ball. 
 




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Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 02/20/2013 at 8:54am
Thank you guys, I see a lot of detailed analyses, more than I hoped for.

about me being rather frontal in forehand:

1) when I block with fh instead of counterlooping, it is because my leg position was wrong, my right foot was in front, and this is a mistake. I do it less when training, with opponents that I know. But in official matches I am more stiff and it shows. I guess it will come with experience. It is very important to be in the correct position with your feet when the opponent hits, and it takes time to learn this.

2) in forehand opening loop against push: here I am doing it intentionally (loooping with my belly facing the table I mean). Because otherwise I cannot loop a ball which barely goes off the table.
I saw this from wang liqin I think. I only do it against push, combined with full-arm swing (cause my blade has a lot of mass, I need to load it with inertia).

I am working to keep my legs wider apart. Next year we'll see if I made it! :)


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Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 02/20/2013 at 9:27am
Here is a recent training match against a more powerful player. He has a very strong service and third ball, a lot of power in fh loop, and a hitter with bh. He knows and exploits all my weaknesses (he never backs away from the table, he stands ready to drive through my opening loop and kill in a single shot; he avoids rally; he pushes short responding to my service so as to loop first.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtomiG_puDs&t=0m55s - www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtomiG_puDs&t=0m55s

Note his push is very heavy. Also his service is deceptive and can have a lot of backspin when he wants, so I cannot always bh flip over the table. His return to my service is often short. His fh and bh loops against my push are so spinny that they are practically unblockable close to table.

Edit: link fixed.


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Posted By: Whang
Date Posted: 02/20/2013 at 10:25am
I noticed during service you look up even before you toss the ball..i suggest you look at it and follow it when you serve.. this would minimalize/avoid service errors

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BH: 729 Focus III Snipe (Red - 2.10mm - 42 deg)

Weight: 168.57g


Posted By: bonggoy
Date Posted: 02/20/2013 at 5:36pm
Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:



That gym was old and nearby Naples. Other parts of Italy are in better shape :)



I am planning to go to Naples next year. Pingpong is not in the plan. It might be now. Does your club allow non members to play?




Posted By: xander7803
Date Posted: 02/20/2013 at 6:00pm
Not bad at all for playing for 3 yrs only! My hat off to you my man! You and the guy in blue you played with are very stiff on your legs when you play!!! Especially when you serve, you are way too high up on the table which will cause your serves to also be high and very attackable! If you would bend your knees (you won't hit your knee if you move properly...the reason you hit your knee is cuz your leg is in the way!! lol! When you learn to move with your knees bent your game will improve at least 100-200 points!!!) It will also change your fh loop and will allow you to do counterlooping instead of blocking on the fh!!! To start i suggest you try to touch the table from your elbow to wrist which will make you bend your knees and try to stay that way while finishing the point. You can drill by serving and opponent pushes to your fh and open loop with your knees bent...and so on...hope makes sense to you

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FH: Bluefire M2
BH: Blufire M3
US rating: 2207


Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 02/21/2013 at 3:05am
Originally posted by bonggoy bonggoy wrote:

Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:



That gym was old and nearby Naples. Other parts of Italy are in better shape :)



I am planning to go to Naples next year. Pingpong is not in the plan. It might be now. Does your club allow non members to play?




Sorry, that was not my club. It was an away game, my club is 350 Kms from Naples :)

Edit: My town (Pescara) is not touristic, but if for some reason you want to come we can play for sure. :) But don't miss Rome, Florence and Venice.


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