DHS PG-12 and PG-13
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Topic: DHS PG-12 and PG-13
Posted By: decoi
Subject: DHS PG-12 and PG-13
Date Posted: 05/23/2013 at 7:20pm
    http://eacheng.net/index.php?act=detail&ID=3631 - http://eacheng.net/index.php?act=detail&ID=3631 probably will order these in a few days :). to test them and then sell them ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
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Posted By: IanMcg
Date Posted: 05/23/2013 at 8:34pm
| They look exactly like the Hurricane King III and Hurricane Hao III... |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 05/23/2013 at 9:02pm
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interesting ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 05/23/2013 at 9:57pm
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So we now know that the name and pic of Wang Hao and WLQ cost $100 each on top of the actual blade. Nice one DHS. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: Wyo
Date Posted: 05/23/2013 at 10:40pm
| That's a big slap in the face to anyone who owns the HK3 or HH3 |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 12:10pm
ZJK name on BTTY costs $100-$300usd, TB and MJ a little less. How about that? ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
TurboZ wrote:Posted By: Pingvinis
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 12:35pm
Nah, the quality control on the PG series is usually a lottery for the buyer.
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Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 4:17pm
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^+1 <-- PG2 top ply delaminated after few months ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: Wyo
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 5:10pm
| My PG7 actually seems to be of good quality. I like it better than my clipper. |
Posted By: danroid
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 6:39pm
| COOL. might order them, are they out yet? |
Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 6:48pm
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Yes these blades are like HK III and HH III but lower quality control and not as comfortable. We had them at DHS in the WTTC in Paris. There is also going to be a new Hurricane Wang Liqin with Glassfiber as central ply that is going to be released in the next months. All 3 blades got sold immediately at the WTTC. ------------- My list of blades for sale https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wYci9423byd3X43DhSsaXOmysNKMfK-RnPWSo3UfpkQ/edit?usp=drivesdk |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 9:52pm
check top of thread ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 10:33pm
The DHS PG13's official price is 245 yuan in China compare to 1500 yuan of H-Hao 3. Online price is more like 150 yuan vs 800 to 1000+ yuan. That is 6 folds no less. Don't think Butterfly is actually doing the same. All their ALC blades are similarly priced with or without player's name except the new ZJK, which cost about 30% more, not 600% like DH$.  BTW my DHS PG7's quality is every inch as good as any of my H-Hao and King for under 100 yuan. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 10:52pm
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well ill probably buy these two for sh*ts and giggles and then sell them off to whoever after quick testing.. might get one of the TG7 blades as well while im at it ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 3:11pm
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PG-13 came in a nice grey box, perfect condition - thank you, Swiss Airmail! 164x150, 5.8 mm, 87 g. Very nice finish. Looks almost like HH3 and plays very close to it. The difference may be attributed to the fact that my HH3 was SH while PG-13 is Cpen - hence the bigger head and the palpable flex which does not resolve to vibrations, only more violent catapult. Cut two new rubbers - H2 and H3 not Neo, @ 1.8 mm, after applying two layers of w/b glue with 1 layer Dianchi inbetween. The weight of the entire combo now is 178 g.
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Posted By: stanton65
Date Posted: 07/21/2013 at 12:31pm
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Anymore new views about the PG12? ------------- Donic WSC JO Blade Xiom O4Europe(BH) Butterfly T64(FH) |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 07/21/2013 at 4:17pm
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mine is on its way ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 07/21/2013 at 11:53pm
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It will be nice to get a detailed review of this blade. |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 07/22/2013 at 12:17am
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i put Tin Arc 3 on Pg13 for one of my friends shes a hard hitter.. seems to like it :P ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: glanden.zheng
Date Posted: 07/22/2013 at 5:33am
Nice, have a feeling it might be the same glass-fibre blade (source from peter79) which Ma Long is using after the WTTC. The blade he used definitely has the HK handle. However the top layer of all HK's so far are all dyed, so wonder if it's going to e any different? ------------- Butterfly Viscaria FL FH: Hurricane 3 Prov BH: Tenergy 05 |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/22/2013 at 6:39am
I beg to disagree with ttping85. My PG-13 Cpen is much more comfortable than HH3 Shakehand. 
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Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 07/22/2013 at 6:53am
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which one do you guys think is best for a close to table looper (Kong style)? ------------- pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/22/2013 at 7:16am
| HK3 is better in this respect than HH3, but lacks some top gears, so, by extrapolation, PG-12 would serve better your purpose. |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 09/15/2013 at 8:11am
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Is PG12 available with STraight handle? ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: DrBacterius
Date Posted: 09/21/2013 at 7:56am
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I'll try to show something more. DHS Power.G12 vs. DHS Hurricane King III     Power G (top) / Hurricane King (bottom):  ------------- OSP Virtuoso T8O Max / Ventus Spin 1.8 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65875&title=feedback-drbacterius" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: DrBacterius
Date Posted: 09/21/2013 at 7:58am
DHS Power.G13 vs. DHS Hurricane Hao II    Power G (top) / Hurricane King (bottom):  ------------- OSP Virtuoso T8O Max / Ventus Spin 1.8 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65875&title=feedback-drbacterius" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: pak abu
Date Posted: 12/02/2013 at 10:25am
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Any review of these blades? Thinking to try one of them.. ------------- DHS TG 506+ FH: JOOLA Rhyzm (black, max) BH: YASAKA Rakza 7 Soft (red,2.0mm) |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 06/28/2014 at 3:58pm
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Has anyone tried Power.G12? ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: Snakefish
Date Posted: 07/14/2014 at 12:47am
2 plies of glassfiber carbon in this blade. 90g weight FH - Vega Pro BH - Stiga Calibra Tour M This blade has great feel on all kinds of shots, counter hitting, good dwell time. Directional control is better than I thought. Not sure of it's the rubbers I'm using which influences my findings. FH - Vega Pro gives me adequate loop spin & speed. Very easy to brush. Feedback feel from the wood is medium. Short touch shots, no problem, easy to control. Blocking is so easy. BH - Calibra Tour M has no tacky at all. It feels like a dead rubber, no grip. But when I soft bh loop, it spins. But trying to go hard bh loop doesn't give me the results like other rubbers. Blocking is fantastic - is it the rubber or is it the blade ? Tremendous feel on the blocks of loop drives. This wood is not hard/stiff. Control is also great. The flared handle is somewhat skinny like other PG flared blades. But the neck (connecting to the blade face) is even more skinnier than other flared blades. If you can get by this, which I did, you'll like this blade. I was very surprised at how well this blade plays. It's on my recommended list. I wonder if other glassfiber-carbon blades play as good as PG12 ? ------------- Andro Treiber Z - fl FH: Tibhar MX-D max BH: Tibhar Quantum ProX-blue,max |
Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/14/2014 at 3:05am
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How does it compare to your Xiom ZQ? Thanks
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Posted By: Snakefish
Date Posted: 07/18/2014 at 10:09pm
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Xiom ZQ is a little more stiffer than DHS PG12. On pushes & soft drop shots, you can feel the ball better with PG12. Blocking feels better with PG12. FH Loop drives are great with both. ZQ is a touch faster - but each one of us makes the speed I want to remove the Calibra Tour M on my backhand due to the lack of grip spin, but it gives so superb blocks ------------- Andro Treiber Z - fl FH: Tibhar MX-D max BH: Tibhar Quantum ProX-blue,max |
Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/18/2014 at 11:46pm
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Thank you.. Dwell time between ZQ and PG-12? Thanks
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Posted By: Snakefish
Date Posted: 07/20/2014 at 1:48am
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Dwell time is definitely a little more on PG12, not by much. Very noticeable on FH drives & loops. The feeling of the hinoki on ZQ is addicting though. Take note, the skinnier handle of PG12 may not be for everyone. ------------- Andro Treiber Z - fl FH: Tibhar MX-D max BH: Tibhar Quantum ProX-blue,max |
Posted By: dual700
Date Posted: 07/20/2014 at 3:08am
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Thanks, I can't stand skinny handles. Even both of my ZQ I had a pro insert thin wood inserts to make them 1 mm thicker. |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 02/20/2015 at 1:25am
Anyone else tried H Hao 3 vs PG 13? TTNPP has Hao3 on sale at $93. It is good price compare to $155. But is it any different tha PG13 @ $30? Even there is some how better but not much, I might try to get Hao3. Just scare they are the same  .I play with PG13 and kind of like it. A tad slower than I wish but good feeling.
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Posted By: roypnoy
Date Posted: 02/20/2015 at 12:34pm
| I'm in the US. Any trust worthy online store that sells the DHS PG13? |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 02/21/2015 at 2:57am
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Try Eacheng.net . ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 06/22/2015 at 9:52am
| is PG12 play similar to King 3? |
Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 06/23/2015 at 8:59am
Yes but not the same selection of woods and quality control. Same for PG7 compared to TG506 for example. ------------- My list of blades for sale https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wYci9423byd3X43DhSsaXOmysNKMfK-RnPWSo3UfpkQ/edit?usp=drivesdk |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 06/23/2015 at 9:12am
| thanks |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 06/24/2015 at 12:05am
I liked PG13 more. HH3 was a layer selection overkill. HH2 is still the best, at least for me. 
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Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 03/15/2016 at 7:12am
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Hi all, I finally managed to test pg13. First of all, I should say that I am currently a very satisfied pg2 user. I find pg2 an exceptional blade. Very fast and high throw at the same time. Hard, but with medium and soft rubbers it is not a problem. The speed comes from the hardness and thicknes of the koto layer, and from the spring of spruce. And the high arc comes from the very high flex. The rubbers I am using are tibhar evolution el-p on forehand and fx-p on backhand. Now to pg13. What about it? I am sorry to say that this blade is really bad. The problem is that the carbon in the middle alters the properties so much, and in a bad way (with respect to PG2,PG3,PG12). Let me explain. The single carbon-arylate layer in the middle makes the blade very stiff at low and medium power, and then at max power it suddenly (and nonlinearly) bends. The result is you get low throw at low and medium power, and then suddenly high throw. No middle ground. the high stiffness at low and medium power makes some shots very difficult. Example: they forehand flick to your backhand. Being a forehand flick, it is a drive, little spin and mostly speed. Now you need to loop it off-the-bounce with your backhand using only your wrist. Good luck doing that with PG13: it is nearly impossible. Very easy with PG2. Counterloop is powerful but unpredictable: sometimes it does not bend and throws low. A bit more power, it flexes and it shoots high and off the table. As an extra downside, it is not fast as I was expecting. In fact, my pg2, while looping at low and medium power, is surely faster. (Though at high power, it is not.) This could be due either to the absence of the spruce layer, or to the position of the carbon layer, which being in the middle might absorb power and dissipate it. (for comparison: Clipper CC is much faster than PG13 in all gears, from low to high.) The touch is also bad, see below. The same day I also tried Hurricane King III (which by the way is supposedly like PG12) and it is totally different from pg13. HKIII flexes from the very beginning, even at low power, as you can also predict before playing, by bending it with your hands. As a result, H.King III is consistently high throw --- and very powerful and spinny. The perfect blade for loopers, I'd say. Faster than PG13, but with better control and better touch at the same time, and much more arc. This "bad" behavior I found in pg13 (that it is stiff and suddenly bends at max power, shooting too high) is also present in other blades with carbon near the core, notably Waldner Ultra Carbon. (I also found this behavior in Infinity VPS V, though it does not have carbon.) PG13 also has a bad touch, with bad vibrations, and a sensation of lack of springiness. This cannot be due to the carbon layer, because KingIII does not have this problem. So it probably comes either from the absence of the spruce layer, or from the position of the carbon layer. The only upside I can find in PG13 is that passive block is very good. Bottom line: stay away from this blade. PG2, PG3, and HKingIII (and therefore supposedly PG12) are much better blades. ------------- pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 03/15/2016 at 10:25pm
Innerforce alc outer ply is made of 2 pieces.a ripp off in a 200$+ blade |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 03/15/2016 at 11:36pm
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Not sure what the heck your PG13 is way different than mines. What is you regular blade? My reg blade is ZJ ZLC and IF ZLC with H3 and T05FX . My experience with PG13. PG13 is medium throw at med to high speed. Fresh switch to it, I played 150 points lower guy. He came off state. His style BH push blocker and FH attack. I thought I would be in trouble. As I was not familiar with blade yet and opponent was a push blocker who would force me to make errors. I would be hard to determine the kill angle or proper spin and depth of placement. Strange, I dominated and even felt really bad as his points each game only 3-5 points . The blade was such a good looper blade. It had good control and spinny. Later session I played with my friend at same level. He beat me but the games were close and fun. Con: The blade is not powerful. If you don't have core strength in you, it will be hard to finish the points with good blockers. It is a good blade. And with price at around $30, it is the Hell of the deal.  PS. I could not resist it. I bought 2 more. |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 03/16/2016 at 1:40pm
Is your zq solid feeling? |
Posted By: Snakefish
Date Posted: 03/17/2016 at 8:43pm
Yes it is. @90g I had used Calibra LT 2.0 on fh and OmegaIV Europe 2.0 on bh. It feels a bit head heavy still. Next week, I'm changing both rubbers to get it a bit lighter, but still maintain speed & spin ------------- Andro Treiber Z - fl FH: Tibhar MX-D max BH: Tibhar Quantum ProX-blue,max |
Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 04/01/2016 at 3:03am
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I finally tried pg12 yesterday and it does play like Hurricane King III. the touch is a bit different, cheaper, as if the wood is lower quality (as it probably is). But it does play the same! Most importantly, pg12 does not have the problems of pg13. the pg12 flexes even at low power, so the throw is consistently high. the pg13 is a lot stiffer. (and as I said, flexes nonlinearly.) My pg12 is noticeably thinner than pg13, and of pg3. It is probably even thinner than pg2. the pg12 is a great blade with a lot of power. Much faster than pg2, and still the transition from pg2 is not difficult. You do need to adjust a bit because the throw is a bit lower in all situations, but not much. It is not a different world like pg13. (And if you are used to Pg3, probably the transition to PG12 will be almost immediate.) pg12 reminds me of Timo Boll Spirit, but the Spirit is probably stiffer and a bit faster. the touch of spirit is more metallic, less woody. with pg12 you feel the ball a lot. The thickness of the outer koto layer in pg2 is a bit uneven. it seems thicker in the handle than in the face. In the handle, it is as thick as the second layer, but in the face it is thinner. this leads me to believe the pg12 is a HKIII which failed the quality control. Which also explains why PG12 and PG13 exist. ------------- pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video |
Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 04/18/2016 at 3:14am
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Update: I want to add that PG12 is now my main blade. I tested it extensively in competition and it is incredible. The amount of power and control is impressive. This thing is faster (in loops) than Timo Boll Spirit and Timo Boll Alc , and at the same time much more flexible. so it has a lot more control in openings. Also blocks better than TBALC. The drawback? It is harder than both blades. Very, very hard. As a consequence, keeping service short is very difficult. And I mean very. It will require a change of technique. For comparison, the same service with Timo Boll ALC will bounce like 30 cm shorter. But the advantage of using PG12 in the open game is just huge. I now want to try more blades like this (very thin, with carbon near the outer layers) assuming there are any.
------------- pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video |