The power of criss-cross blocking.
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Topic: The power of criss-cross blocking.
Posted By: igorponger
Subject: The power of criss-cross blocking.
Date Posted: 07/08/2013 at 6:28pm
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Most peculiar and yet effectual playing style to beat the "skilled" youngsters. Playing criss-cross blocking off the bounce over the table, =cici style, will make the "skilled" guys feel some panic and disturb their game outright. Most young masters do have too little brain power to answer the "cc" style properly. I'm a steady upholder and hot gospeller of the style. Be you an olderman or a sapling, you can happily adopt this style to your better advantage. Good luck. |
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 07/08/2013 at 7:27pm
you look pretty good in that red t-shirt igor  ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 07/08/2013 at 9:54pm
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The title of the clip is " My New Idol", the guy has been playing for only three years and has no coach ("coaches himself"); it also says that he had recent success in the tournament of some kind where he beat a great attacker who later became the champion. The comments under the clip say that Alexey (Lyokha) plays pips on one side and antispin on another, and in the past used to play just one side of the racket. My comment: I am not thrilled with the antispin-pips combo, there are probably good ways to beat this type of player. Suggestions? ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 2:40am
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Hip hip Hoorah for another PUSH BLOCKER ! Is there any more videos available for him ? What would be his estimated USA rating ? ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: Whang
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 8:12am
Let's say you loop (not so powerfully) cross court (your FH to his FH), and he blocks it to your backhand side, just simply drop the ball short to his BH side. The principle is that you will force him to open up the opposite side and then that's when you hit a strong loop on the return to the now vulnerable wide FH side. If down the line (your FH to his BH) and let's say he blocks it back to your FH, simply place it short on his FH side. This will expose the BH side as he tries to run to catch the ball. Then go for a strong loop to the widely exposed BH side of the opponent. In other words, just open up wide angles before going for the strong loop kill to prevent yourself getting caught on a slow recovery. If you just keep looping it back just for the sake of looping it strong all the time, he will catch you off guard with one of his blocks like when you fail to recover fast enough. Hope that made sense. ------------- Blade: Yasaka Gatien Extra (Penhold) FH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (Black - 2.15mm - 41 deg) BH: 729 Focus III Snipe (Red - 2.10mm - 42 deg) Weight: 168.57g |
JacekGM wrote:Posted By: Pondus
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 8:22am
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LOL - that last guy you're playing looks so dejected... |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 8:26am
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Yeah, it seems the obvious answer is to take off some pace. Maybe lift some balls with heavy topspin to see if you can get a slower, higher ball back. I used to do this to traditional pen hold bh blockers, but I haven't seen one in years. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: gatorling
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 10:37am
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This style would drive me insane. Although the guy plays with a "junk" style, it looks amazingly effective against attackers. I'd love to see him play against a strong pips player who can block it short and dead as well as good lobbers (Like Adam Bobrow) ------------- Forehand: Hurricane 3 Provincial #20 sponge Backhand: Rakza 7 Max Blade: Xiom Aria |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 10:43am
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Davidwhang said:
"Let's say you loop (not so powerfully) cross court (your FH to his FH), and he blocks it to your backhand side, just simply drop the ball short to his BH side. The principle is that you will force him to open up the opposite side and then that's when you hit a strong loop on the return to the now vulnerable wide FH side.
If down the line (your FH to his BH) and let's say he blocks it back to your FH, simply place it short on his FH side. This will expose the BH side as he tries to run to catch the ball. Then go for a strong loop to the widely exposed BH side of the opponent." ============================================
Interesting strategy. But remember, the guy is fast - he hits the ball early, right off its bounce.
After your serve, the ball may come back to you real quick. May need a 2000 level player with fast feet to handle that. (One doesn't know which side he is going to hit - to the left or to the right or to the middle, thus one needs fast feet.) ------------- skip3119 |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 10:56am
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This thread should be titled "the power of using unusual equipment to drive opponents insane". ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: davidz
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 11:40am
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I guess he is about 2000 USATT rating. Worst playing styles vs. blocker are: try to play
blocking, service simple (side) topspin balls, play weak topspin balls with
weak looping and attacking, and return high short ball.
------------- PG7 (Skyline 2, LKT XP) YEO (Skyline 2, Skyline 3) |
Posted By: Whang
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 12:10pm
That's why you give slow balls at first, so that the blocks wouldn't return insanely fast at you. If you notice in the video, the opponent is looping very hard, partly the reason why the blocks are coming in so fast as well :) But yes, you'd have to have good feet and ball placement for the strategy to work :) ------------- Blade: Yasaka Gatien Extra (Penhold) FH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (Black - 2.15mm - 41 deg) BH: 729 Focus III Snipe (Red - 2.10mm - 42 deg) Weight: 168.57g |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 12:29pm
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Also he's looping to the fh corner, which puts them right into the blockers pattern. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: nathanso
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 4:12pm
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It must be human nature because I see many players making the same tactical error when faced with such a placement-oriented player: They tend to return the ball right to the blocker's center court over and over, as if it can somehow "re-balance" the kooky rally! All this does is make it far easier for the push-blocker as he doesn't have to move at all (many have poor footwork to begin with) and he can continue to attack every ball right off the bounce. Fight this tendency and place the ball to the corners. ------------- BBC, SP, LP |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 5:00pm
For that kind of pushblocker (PB) playing style, the PB always gets to the ball early and strike it right off the bounce - each and every point. It is their style and their habit, they are used to and good at it.
Place the ball to the different corners trying to move the PB? I afraid that oneself may get moved, rather than moving the PB. ------------- skip3119 |
Posted By: bonggoy
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 5:07pm
How do you drop short a long ball? Other than blockers with Anti or Long Pips, I've never seen this done before. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 7:01pm
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It doesn't have to be super short. It's a big plus if there's no topspin to allow him to lift the ball, and no pace to use. A low, flat knuckle buster with no spin and minimal pace could be considered a drop shot of sorts. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 7:47pm
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I played a guy who plays similar with either anti or LP on one side - has 2 different paddles. He uses inverted on his 4H with serious offensive firepower. He uses a Seemiller grip. This player if you make a weak TS or BS shot he kills it. He also kills some serves in his zone. I can beat him but I have to be methodical.
Make sure you are using a brand new ball when playing a Push Blocker, which should be a given, but in some clubs they play with used balls.
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Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 8:00pm
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I would say, because of his agility and good anticipation, he is probably even better than US 2000. I wonder how he would manage against a good hitter, or against a chopper. Look what igorponger has done again ...  ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: ikaros
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 8:41pm
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those others players were loosing against themselves. Ir might sound weird but sometimes the key to beat these kind of players is to play a simple game rather than your own. serve long and flat,change the pace, loop with half power but with lots of spin and if he reverse it be ready to push the ball instead of re loop and you can also punish his serve in this case it was very long. ------------- Galaxy Yinhe W6 penhold Fh: Yasaka Rakza 7 2.0 Bh: Butterfly Cermet 2.1 |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 9:02pm
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Firstly ;I would tell him he can't do volley ball serves, by tossing the ball forward and moving to the ball secondly ;I only saw one short serve to him and he popped it up , the long serves never seemed to work thirdly ;you need to keep playing players like him and try harder pushes and as Nathan said good loops to the corners especially backhand fourthly ;the anti is making "your" shots drop so a higher lift is important fifthly ; take your time and plan between serves, he is speeding the game up I do like how he plays, as in his serving for a reason and constantly attacking the angles etc, many would find him style hard to adapt to ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 9:46pm
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... to be fair to Lyokha, he posted the clip with a goal in mind: by the end of his clip he has a little rumble where he advertises his style as a better alternative to the defensive style with long pips..." If you are a beginner and over thirty, have no coach but are 20-40 pounds overweight, yet still have the desire to win - you do not have to play long pips, hold the ball, wait for opponent's error and defend - come on, there is an alternative!" he says. I kinda agree... I would rather do this than the long pips... On a related note, from personal experience and as others recommended here, when playing Seemiller-style blockers don't give loose balls to these guys, they will place the return superbly... Use good surprising serves, move them, make them block when way out of position... ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: bonggoy
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 10:35pm
No topspin and no pace? The ball must not be moving then :D.
Again, how do you execute this against Igor? He rarely blocks or pushes passively. He is very good at using angles to his advantage. He constantly moves the ball. I would argue that a short balls, even not so short ball like you mentioned will get be to Igor's advantage. He seems to like it even. He is able to jab/push when ball is short especially in the middle. The only weakness I see that I can take advantage of is in his forehand side. He is relatively weak there. I noticed a few missed blocks and a few missed serve return. I would play him like how I play Seemiler type blockers. Spin deep to wide angle. Wide FH then to wide BH or wide BH then wide to forehand. I will rarely place any ball in the middle as he likes to work the angles from here. |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 10:41pm
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Igor, speak up: is it you or Lyokha (Alexey)? ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: Pongz
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 10:45pm
Just regarding the strategy, the issue that I find is that the push blocker controls the rally left and right without him need to move much... he is pretty much in the center.. In my club, there is a short pip penholder playing very much like this... I found that if my placement is not deep and wide, he will control the rally... so maybe concentrate first to return serve or loop deep and wide If you return in the middle, no good.. he will get the angle and control the rally... Secondly, try pinch him on one corner... rather than following his rythm left and right.. Otherwise, your return will be weaker start going to the middle and again he will control the rally.. Against the player in my club, I return everything deep and wide into his backhand... and he stops taking me out of extreme angles... only cross court to my backhand and down the line to my forehand... Cheers ------------- Butterfly Sardius FH Donic Barracuda BH Tibhar MX-P |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 10:51pm
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The Push Blocker Style has emerged in different ways with the ERA of the 40 mm ball. I am even trying different paddle combos emulating these guys for fun, variation and to see if I can compete playing their style. Since I play shake hand then I twiddle a lot to take advantage of situations. I hit one shot the other day with LP OX Crop Circles that was like a capital L shape at the end of the stroke breaking about one foot in the air before hitting the table. I have never seen a shot like that happen in all my days. My opponent obviously didn't get it back as he was setting up to hit it since it was about a foot high above the net. I didn't miss hit the ball it was solid contact. We got a big laugh out of that shot. In my opinion, all the variety makes this hobby even more fun, win or lose. ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 11:46pm
I agree. The punch blocker plays a very simple game and plays it well. Just about every stroke is a bunch block. Even his serves are bunch block like serves. There is no doubt he is better than the two opponents he played. His opponents didn't every seem to get into the match. The blocker got the pace up quickly with his punch block serve. His opponents were rarely hitting the ball faster than the blocker. I am surprised that there were few attempts to attack the punch blocker's serves. They were usually fast and long. You know there can't be much spin on the ball if the punch blocker is serving with anti or LP. I would start by attacking the serves. On my serves I would serve short. The reason for this is that it is hard to open up the paddle the way the punch blocker is holding it. If the serve is kept low the punch blocker would have to hit the ball up and then it is third ball attack time. I think the opponents were right to try to slow down the rallies by lofting the ball a little but do it in the corners. That would make the punch blocker move. There is a limit about area in front of the punch blocker where he can actually punch block. If the ball can be hit wide the punch blocker will have to swing at the ball. I bet the punch blocker isn't as good make swing type of strokes. It would be interesting to use Cory Eider type of high serves ( remember the Cory Eider vs Pushblocker match ) to see what the punch blocker would do with them. Maybe this is unrealistic or unfair because Cory Eider is much better anyway and could risk a fast return. I have what I call my safety shot. It is a slow spinny loop into the opponents BH corner. I would make use of them a lot. Punch blocker reminds about Pushblocker and Amilie Solja. They play awkward styles and try to force their game on their opponents. For only three years of playing I think this punch blocker is doing well but the next video should be against better opponents. The punch blockers are much more aggressive than passive blocking with LPs or anti. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: bonggoy
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 10:04am
The high serve tactic Cory Eider used against pushblocker (PB) only worked because PB covers 95% of the table with his backhand. They have two different style. PB is a pushblocker (tada!!!), while the guy in the video is more of a punch blocker like you said. He pounced on anything short and slow. Usually at tough angle. The only time I see him play a safe shot is when something is looped to his forehand. A deep low spinny loop is probably the best against him. You will have a better chance as long as you are dictating the pace of the game. If I am not so ingrained with the style I have, I would be a push blocker. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 10:27am
Coach McAfee was once a two-winged looper, and now he is short pips forehand and long pips backhand. So don't be shy, you can do it! ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 10:36am
I seriously don't understand why so many inverted players like to take the ball so late, they seem to like taking the ball when it is at the dropping phase, then spin the ball up high, waiting for an off the bounce reply from their opponent to a difficult angle which will make them run.... . Perhaps if they spent a few months playing some hardbat off the bounce countering, hitting and blocking, they would improve tremendously. This type of criss-cross blocking will always happen, when one player consistently hits the ball later/shorter than his opponent, which has nothing to do with the equipment that one uses. This would open up angles for the other player to easily exploit. I would have exploited his opponents using criss-cross blocking easily (i'm an inverted player), considering how slow the pace that his opponents played at and the general lack of power of their strokes and poor footwork. To be honest, sometimes a quick off-the-bounce push against a long ball, when kept low, placed at a difficult angle and reasonably fast is more effective than a slow loop, because they give their opponent less time to react and get them out of position. IMO the most effective loops should be done like counters, with minimal arm backswing, maintaining good body balance, taking the ball early, not taken late like lots of inverted players like to play. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 11:56am
I seem to take a step back from the table when I play other blockers. I am a blocker-hitter but I will try to spin the ball off the blockers paddle with loops of different spins and speeds.
That is because they don't hit the ball deep. It isn't a matter of when they hit the ball. I find that I must move fast when trying to loop a couple balls in row at the table. Moving back provides a little more time.
I agree that hard bat play is good because you must rely on placement and simply keeping the ball low. It gets back to one of the earlier posts about doing the simple things very well. The punch blocker's opponents where not able to execute any of the strategies well like the lobbing strategy.
Yes, returning the ball short is the problem. Blockers love that unless you can keep the ball very low.
Agreed but perhaps they weren't comfortable playing against the anti or LP and this caused them to slow down and hit conservatively which gave the punch blocker his opportunities. I know that doesn't excuse the lack of footwork. The punch blocker was very aggressive with his anti and kept his opponents responding to him. The punch blocker was using the red side most of the time. Igorponger, do you know which side had the anti? There was a comment about the anti/LP combination. It appears this combination works for the punch blocker because he can punch block with either side. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 1:05pm
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BY tt4me The punch blocker was using the red side most of the time. Igorponger, do you know which side had the anti ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My best guess, the red is anti and the black is LP. His usual tactics is to flip to black for slow lob/loops and some serves. So he is trying to take away the slow lob/loop advantage by reversing the spin, smart. The anti blocks are mostly light TS. So, combined with the good angles/locations, it can be very hard to play against !
------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 2:53pm
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LUCKYLOOP said: "My best guess, the red is anti and the black is LP. His usual tactics is to flip to black for slow lob/loops and some serves. "
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You may very well be right.
Using red side to play all the time.
Only during serves, he used black side to serve a few times only. Most serves are still from red side.
My guess is that he is about usatt's 2000 level player. ------------- skip3119 |
Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 7:46pm
| I played an 1800 player (though a little rusty) who had long pips on 1 side and anti on the other with a very unusual grip. He wasn't as aggressive as the guy in this video though. He really took advantage of the angles and of course messed with the spin quite a bit. I managed to beat him with deep loop drives to the corners and when given the chance didn't give away the location of the loop until the last second. I barely served short because when I did his angles were too good. I either served long and heavy or fast long topspin to the corners. |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 10:28pm
Based on the accompanying text fragments in the clip, the punch blocker may have used a medium pip or even a short pip. ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 10:52pm
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Hookumsnivy, are you rated about 1800? I don't know. It sounds like you are good enough to execute a the loops deep into the corners. Did your anti/LP opponent serve long like the punch blocker did? If so did you attack his serves? There really isn't a point in serving short. It isn't like the anti/LP player is going to loop kill a long serve. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 11:09pm
I am not. I'm just under 1650 - like I said he was a little rusty and I played really well and that day I was actually moving pretty well. He mixed in all kinds of serves which actually makes more sense if you think about it. When you get a short serve most people's first instinct (assuming they're capable) is to return short unless they can attack it. If you give a short return, you get angled to death. I typically attacked his long serves, though not always successfully. I was exhausted after our match because I had to move more than usual. If he was in control, he'd move you away from the table and then drop it short. I wish I remembered his name so I could figure out what he's rated now. It was a very awkward style. Fortunately I play against an unusual long pips player pretty frequently so the funky rubbers didn't mess with me too much.
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Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/11/2013 at 3:16am
That is possible since he gets decent speed on the red blocks. So, he is either blocking light TS with the red or blocking BS (TS reversal) with the black. Those changing spins with his locations/angles is good strategy. He also keeps the ball low. He serves either dead, light TS or light BS. A person, who has never played him, would not know his strategy and probably could not beat him unless they were at a much higher skill level.
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Posted By: Whang
Date Posted: 07/11/2013 at 6:51am
Use a very low and slow push. That way he'd have to push it back with an open racket. You do that on a long ball by catching it early. Sorry, I'm used to TPB that's why it's hard to visualize. ------------- Blade: Yasaka Gatien Extra (Penhold) FH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (Black - 2.15mm - 41 deg) BH: 729 Focus III Snipe (Red - 2.10mm - 42 deg) Weight: 168.57g |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 5:46am
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What do guys/gals think about the simple tactic of pushing long to him all over the table until you get a loose ball to hit or loop ? ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: Whang
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 6:37am
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If you just arbitrarily hit back and wait for a loose ball, you will start becoming passive and that's when the blocker will start moving you around. It should be you controlling the tempo, not him ------------- Blade: Yasaka Gatien Extra (Penhold) FH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (Black - 2.15mm - 41 deg) BH: 729 Focus III Snipe (Red - 2.10mm - 42 deg) Weight: 168.57g |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 7:03am
By pushing, you can control the tempo better than letting him quick block you all over the table with little reaction time to his changing spins. You also make his return of spin predictable for your aggressive shot selection. ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: Whang
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 7:09am
Yeah but you said pushing it long, which i imagine would be easily blockable too.. ------------- Blade: Yasaka Gatien Extra (Penhold) FH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (Black - 2.15mm - 41 deg) BH: 729 Focus III Snipe (Red - 2.10mm - 42 deg) Weight: 168.57g |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 7:17am
Well, you would just have to try and see if he has any major weaknesses either by location or rubber side use. I don't think he can block pushes faster than he can your loops or TS so you should have more reaction time with predictable spin coming back.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 8:44am
Nothing wrong with trying it. I like the suggestion. Too many people hate to think outside the box to beat a player. It seems like they want to loop drive loop drive loop drive all the time when just pushing to the opponent can sometimes make him fall apart, especially a player like this who is playing off your spin and pace. The only thing is that pushing against Anti and long Pips repeatedly requires good control. The ball comes back dead or with light topspin so you have to adjust the push for that factor. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Whang
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 12:11pm
Just remember not to loop it back to exactly where his block is otherwise your recovery time goes down a lot ------------- Blade: Yasaka Gatien Extra (Penhold) FH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (Black - 2.15mm - 41 deg) BH: 729 Focus III Snipe (Red - 2.10mm - 42 deg) Weight: 168.57g |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 12:44pm
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Just remember not to loop it back to exactly where his block is otherwise your recovery time goes down a lot.
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One problem:
No matter where your loop (or TS) lands, as long as it is a loop he is going to block (right off the bounce).
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Comment about just using Push to play against a PBer.
It also has one problem: "Push" is PBer's strong suit. They do it all the time, day in and day out, push right off the bounce.
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My view: You just have to be a much higher level player to beat a PBer. ------------- skip3119 |
Posted By: Whang
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 3:25pm
Well..with all due respect..if that's your view, then that would imply that at every bracket, PBer's would always win in every tournament if played against opponents around their level..which clearly isn't the case.. ------------- Blade: Yasaka Gatien Extra (Penhold) FH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (Black - 2.15mm - 41 deg) BH: 729 Focus III Snipe (Red - 2.10mm - 42 deg) Weight: 168.57g |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 3:28pm
I actually used the long pushing tactic VS an anti Push Blocker, who was rated as high as 2000. He had played that style over 30 years. That particular guy would hit if the ball got up too high. He had great control of pushing short and all over the table. You had to be fundamentally sound on both sides for pushes. He had a weak side that I would continuously exploit to set up a loop or hit. I usually would pick hit with control to a location to prevent his blocks from further extending the point. If you heavy looped into his anti you were just playing into his strength, sure he would miss some but you would have to be super consistent to outlast him. Too much work for one point. I even used a hard bat to beat him since he didn't have a real topspin game. My hard bat hits were unblockable a very high percentage of the time. So, another tactic if you had to play this guy a lot, set-up a special paddle with hard bat rubber on one side and your choice on the other side.
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 7:55pm
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How to play against a pushblocker. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeMyyK8BmkI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeMyyK8BmkI at 4:16 onwards. Just push until you get a loose ball, then loop-kill it. But the inverted penholder was seriously good and solid in his FH loop and his BH push. Btw, this is one of the highest level amateur competition held in China. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 9:29pm
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OX LP players do not give me many problems. You know what the OX is going to do. You control what you give the OX player. It is a matter of avoiding giving the OX LPer what they want - a medium or heavy underspin half depth to their BH OX LP side that they can punch, or a loose popup misreading the return push. OX LPers always give me what I want on serve, many ways to accomplish that. The tougher OX LPers have great serves AND a FH kill shot. You cannot give away an easy ball or you are punished severely. You have to control the kind of ball you give the LPer and you can pick and choose how to setup your opportunities. if I give them a light underspin deep near endline, I know they will bump or punch the ball back LONG. There is a limit to how fast they can punch that ball if I kept it deep and low. I will have enough time to prepare my counter attack. Point is over. You can also simply give them underspins that are a LOT heavier than they look. LP do not magically send the ball back safe, one must still read the spin and adjust bat angles. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 07/12/2013 at 10:09pm
Huang J J, the old player teaches how to play with LP in China. But he has not been a very strong LP player. Someone here posted a video of him playing against a US LP player, Li Zhi-Ming. Li Zhi-Ming beat Huang J J pretty bad.
I know that video was posted here (mytabletennis.net) long time ago, but it takes a lot of knowledge, which I don't have, to find it. Forgot whether when we were discussing about Li Zhi-Ming or about Peter Chen at the time. The video is in Chinese and Li Zhi-Ming's name is in Chinese too - that's the reason it is very difficult to find it now.
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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 07/13/2013 at 12:07am
You showed a player who beat Huang Jian Jiang (黄建疆) and said "Just push until you get a loose ball, then loop-kill it..........).
Well Huang Jian Jiang was not a very good LP Pushblocker, even though he was teaching on how to play LP in China. Video below is the proof.
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The following very old post was posted by: ZingyDNA
Of course they're no where close to pro level. Anyway, skip wanted me to post the vid of Huang Jian Jiang (the older guy in his vid) vs. Li Zhi Ming, so here's the link:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjQ0ODg4NTA0.html" rel="nofollow - http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjQ0ODg4NTA0.html I thought the vid was undated but it's actually dated in 2011, when Li's rating dropped below 2300 most of the time. So I'd say Huang would be in the 2200s, tops. =================================================================== ------------- skip3119 |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 07/13/2013 at 8:53pm
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When I talk to players below USATT 1800, I emphasize taking the ball early on pushes to use quickness to rush opponent and create angles. When discussing blocking, I like to show them the effectiveness of good blocking with a 1-2-3 blocking system. Here is how it works. You do a push, medium fast to the playing elbow, just fast enough and low enough to make the opponent want to step around and use a FH topspin, that is #1. Opponent usually did not make a strong loop, maybe a spinny one, but usually NOT a fast loop from that position unless timing and anticipation were there. Ball usually comes to middle depth, often to crossover or FH. So, block #2 goes extreme wide crosscourt wide FH. usually point is over with block #2 as opponent was usually off balance for the attack and did not recover. In the event he DID recover, he is scrambling like mad to get to the wide ball and does not make a very strong return, so block #3 goes to the vacant BH corner, often for a winner. Even if the opponent knows where I will block, 9 times out of 10, point is over before or on the 3rd ball. The opponent is simply off balance and out of position to make a strong attack. This is the concept I drive home with the under 1800 crowd, because at that level, the OFF loopers frequently do not have the balance and recovery to cope. You are making them take high risk shots that are weak and out of position and balance. You are only making safe blocks from easy balls with little risk. That is the power of a good blocking game at lower levels and I stress that with effective pushing. Most points are not won with a long rally finished by a winner at the U1800 level, errors are much more a part of the deal. Why take risky shots if you are able to control the opponent (if he is a brain dead, attack-happy stubborn joker who will not change) ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 07/13/2013 at 9:47pm
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I wonder... just for a second coming back to the first few posts in this thread... So, the guy Lyokha, assumed by many to be igorponger, is not really a Push Blocker, IMO. Rather, as many had also indicated, he is another PB: a Punch Blocker... and that is a huge difference! He is the more aggressive variety... Even in the video clip he emphasized in the script that this style allows being active and, let's say "non-defensive", in spite of the extra years and pounds... I suggest that his supposition has been a really successful one as the question "how do you play a guy like that" has met with lots of in-depth, sometimes hotly discussed, suggestions. Looks like I am not the only one who walked away disappointed after a match against a PB... Good thread! ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 07/13/2013 at 10:15pm
Indeed! I think in the lower levels, control, placement and body positioning is a lot more important than aggressive attacking. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/14/2013 at 2:58am
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The one thing that all PB's have in common. They play a specific basic simple strategy tailored to their limited skills and do not vary from it much, very methodical. Most of the opponents they play do not adapt a rigid strategy against the PB and usually take some losses against them before they beat them. ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 2:11pm
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MATERIALS THE GUY IS USING. Question is now asked from me "what actual setup is seen on the video". I was told from the guy's clubmate he is curently using RED SIDE: some brand of Anti BLACK SIDE: some Mid Pimples, 1.2mm sponge. He is really "something". Is he not? Most bizarre style I ever seen. Yet greatly effectual. |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 2:52pm
You are implying that all punch blockers have limited skills and are stuck at a particular level. People, even old dogs, can learn new tricks. I am sure the punch blocker in the video will evolve and get better IF he is forced to by playing better opponents than those in the video. He is doing well for playing only 3 years.
So if other players can adapt and get better then why can't a punch blocker adapt and get better? The punch blocker should replace the medium pips with LP. If he wants to stick with medium pips he should look at Giant Dragon 612 Turbo. Technically 612T are short pips but 612T will drive people nuts because it plays like LP. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 07/15/2013 at 3:02pm
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Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/16/2013 at 12:01am
I stand corrected. What I actually meant was that the Push Blocker plays using mostly a limited number of skill techniques with their simple strategy. ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 07/16/2013 at 3:41pm
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some update on Alex Saidychakov's anti rubber. He has now RITC 804 in red, affixed on the playing side. He is a real "death machine". I like seeing him making a plain mockery of the loopers. Qurious enough, he's developed the style alone, by some blessed intuition. He played with a bare wood on one side till quite recently. http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=18889057642" rel="nofollow - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=18889057642 |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 07/16/2013 at 4:05pm
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The player in blue hit WAY too many balls back short in the middle of the table. He didn't even have a plan. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/16/2013 at 4:06pm
| Slava bogu, Vlassenko is not a looper. |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/16/2013 at 7:32pm
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From the latest video, I can see what he is doing better. Some of those blocks, technically, are loops off the bounce, which makes him even more effective. He improves his regular blocking a little more and he is going to elevate his game to the next level ! ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 07/16/2013 at 7:40pm
This must be from an earlier match since the punch blocker doesn't have rubber on the back of his paddle.
How does one loop with 804 anti rubber? A loop should have significant top spin. Given that the punch blocker is just punching through the ball I bet there is little spin on the ball. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/16/2013 at 7:49pm
Well, to me, it sure looks like he is adding to or at a minimum redirecting the original TS on the ball, on some shots. His regular blocks have different spin going back. ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: chu_bun
Date Posted: 07/16/2013 at 7:54pm
This reminds me of a comment I heard from a guy who lost a tennis match to me. "Y'all serve-volleyers are so predictable. You just serve and volley. You're lucky that I had problem returning your serves ...". I told him a baseliner servers and hits from the baseline. A S-V serves and hits from the net. I don't see how your game is more or less predictable compared to mine. PB blocks, chopper chops, looper loops etc ... They all are equally "simple" as the other. ------------- Clipper Wood, Sanwei Gears FH, Sanwei T88-I BH. |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/16/2013 at 11:30pm
PB only uses a 4H side. He doesn't push, hit, loop, chop, block, and drive like most shake hand players who do this from their BH and 4H. Their footwork is more complicated too. These players also serve a variety of spins. ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/17/2013 at 4:56pm
Additional Info: Giant Dragon Soft Anti Special is rated 4.5 for spin and says it "allows for offensive counter attack" ! ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 07/17/2013 at 5:46pm
So? You can counter attack with just about anything. It is a function of the player not the rubber or blade. "allows for offensive counter attack" are marketing weasel words. That doesn't mean it is good for attacking and certainly not looping. It just means you can counter attack high balls. It doesn't mean you can counter attack ball like you can with T05 or even Flextra. So what? The punch blocker plays with 729-804 not Giant Dragon Soft Anti Special. One can punch block with either but looping is a stretch. Does anybody really believe the marketing weasel words that describe rubbers? ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/17/2013 at 6:09pm
729-804 "is not a super slick anti" per Zero Pong retailer. So PB is counter looping off the bounce sometimes. Maybe you need to have a more experienced player friend of yours watch the latest video and explain it to you ! ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 07/17/2013 at 7:52pm
So you are reading the marketing hype again. In this case the marketing hype is true. It is no substitute for playing with it. I haven't played with 729-804 but I have played against a player that used it on the front side using a Seemiller grip.
Where? I see no loops by the punch blocker. A little top spin here and there is not a loop. A loop should jump out out at the opponent after the bounce and tend to bounce high off the opponents paddle unless he closes it a lot.
I have played with four different anti rubbers. I want you to explain it to me and show me how you loop with anti rubber. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 07/17/2013 at 8:01pm
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tt4me said: "I want you to explain it to me and show me how you loop with anti rubber."
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Agree with tt4me that anti rubber can not do loop. ------------- skip3119 |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 07/17/2013 at 9:19pm
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Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 07/17/2013 at 9:24pm
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Well , Ill tell you a story I was visiting a small TT club in small town NZ around 20 members last night and then there he was , a replica of this Russian player using a one side wooded bat and the other side dead, old non legal pimples, generic premade, very old, faded to pink bat, but his tactics and strokes were the same, hardcase ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 07/17/2013 at 11:53pm
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Anti rubber can loop...against backspin. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 07/18/2013 at 12:13am
True, and one can loop with hard bats and LP too in the same way, but these cases rely on the back spin being used as your top spin. These rubbers can't create their own loops like normal inverted rubbers. There wasn't anybody chopping in the videos to provide back spin for the punch blocker to work with. The punch blocker simply hit and punch blocked. It would be interesting to see the punch blocker play a chopper. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/18/2013 at 12:24am
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Latest video examples of loop quick off the bounce: At :17 He is looping off TS block. At :20 He is looping off BS/SS serve. At 1:10 He looping off TS shot. There lies the problem with his opponents. They don't understand what he is doing !
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Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/25/2013 at 10:17pm
It would be interesting to see him travel to Irkutsk Siberia and play at the weekly Saturday tournament vs all those different styles including those aggressive LP BH females and that Pen holder who chops and loops on his RPB. They have a separate thread topic with videos on here. ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 07/26/2013 at 4:23pm
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A master does not need two rubbers. ------------- Darker Speed 70 Hammond FA Speed Tyotokusen |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 07/26/2013 at 11:50pm
Check out any of the Bogeyhunter vs Pushblocker vids... ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 07/27/2013 at 3:14am
I have seen the Bogeyhunter vs PushBlocker videob but I was specifically referring to the punch blocker in the video. It is easy for PushBlocker to get back chopped balls with LP 0X. I am not so sure about the punch blocker in the video because his anti isn't that frictionless. If you look at his 'swing' his elbow seems to flow his hand more like a boxer. The fore arm doesn't really swing. He is truly a punch blocker. I don't think the punch blocker would have an easy time against a chopper of the same skill level. @Luckyloop, I don't consider those shot you mentioned to be loops. The punch blocker may of got some top spin on them but he was still mostly hitting line of sight or relying on gravity. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/27/2013 at 3:52am
The punch blocker uses a modified Seemiller type grip. Against BS pushes or chops, he will just bump the ball or reloop quick off the bounce doing his location thing. It will slow his game down but he probably will be able to get better angles on the first slower ball and he will force the opponent to be very fundamentally sound pushing and chopping on both sides. The opponent probably won't be able to out push him all over the table from side to side and/or won't have the patience or ego to play that style for a whole match. I think Bogey Hunter (with his pick hitting) could beat the punch blocker until I see a video of him beating a comparable style player. ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 12/31/2013 at 7:06am
Huang is well over 2400. He has many wins over players that would be close to 2600. Zhi Ming Li plays apparently extremely well against long pips and in that particular game Huang played well below his usual level. ------------- Darker Speed 70 Hammond FA Speed Tyotokusen |
Posted By: takethat
Date Posted: 12/31/2013 at 1:55pm
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That tendency to return the ball to the opposing player's racket is very common. I think it comes from that extra long BH/BH and F/H to F/H practise. I have found this out whenever I block against good loopers Rest assured, they will return the ball to me. My biggest problem only comes when some players master the slow high spinny loop four to six inches from the table's edge.. ------------- sharkcard |