Non-transparent glue sheets?
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Topic: Non-transparent glue sheets?
Posted By: haggisv
Subject: Non-transparent glue sheets?
Date Posted: 10/19/2013 at 5:41am
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I've got to glue some red OX long pimple rubber onto a blade (for a friend) that has
some dark lines showing (in the wood, not graphics)... so gluing the sheet will definitely show them
though, which is something he does not want. I've used white glue sheets before, but the glue sheets I have at the moment are all transparent, so that won't help. Can anyone think of some glue sheets that are white, i.e. not transparent? Thanks a lot ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 7:16am
No-one has seen one? ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: neutronbomb
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 7:42am
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I have not. Would he be ok with you painting the blade red? ------------- USATT Rating 2059 FH Tibhar 5Q+ BH Giant Dragon Long Hallmark Aurora |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 9:01am
Probably, and that's a good thought, but that's a fair bit of effort since I don't have the tools or paint.  ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 9:48am
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I think sanding the black lines (print) off is the easiest. I don't recall seeing non transparent glue sheets Otherwise, black rubber will be your best optiont |
Posted By: neutronbomb
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 1:05pm
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Red Sharpie? ------------- USATT Rating 2059 FH Tibhar 5Q+ BH Giant Dragon Long Hallmark Aurora |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 1:08pm
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spray paint the glue sheet itself? I doubt the bonding characteristics of the glue will be affected. |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 1:15pm
Go get some coffee. You're coating the glue sheet and say it'd have no effect ??  -------------  Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
fatt wrote:Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 1:18pm
Agreed with the black rubber, if you sand, you prob should also seal...more work for you. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: pingpongpaddy
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 1:18pm
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are there black lines on both sides? I think the paint might not dry properly on the glue sheet so sanding the lines off is probably best. however I dont think any action is required to be legal ------------- inactive dotec carbokev yin he galaxy 1 p ly FH moristo sp AX MAX bh moristo sp ax max |
Posted By: NoFootwork
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 1:22pm
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This is a problem with gluing many OX red LP rubbers on many blades due to graphics on both sides of the blade or the blade having dark colored wood or wood grains showing through as they tend to be transparent. Cole Ely used to have some white glue sheets (colestt dot com). Not sure whether he still has any in stock. He's in the US. Other option is to use matte (not glossy) white color spray paint (buy a small can) and paint the side of the blade you want to attach the LP to. Spray from a distance of about 15 inches, going side to side and apply a thin layer. Once dry, you can use a fine grit sand paper to sand it painted side smooth (if needed.) This does a very good job of covering any dark colors and does not change the playing characteristics of the blade. Apply only the thinnest layer of paint possible while also covering the dark wood/graphics. Cover the handle and edges of the blade before painting. You can practice this on a scrap piece of wood. The only down side is that you may not be able to sell a painted blade as easily as some people may not like the fact that one side is painted.
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 2:00pm
spray painting the glue sheet adds a very thin coat; the thinnest coat possible actually; nothing you can feel at play time; no more than what we'd feel by painting or sanding the blade itself, like members you did not jump on proposed above. Add salt to your own coffee; you are too sweet this morning.
Spray paint a side of the glue sheet once before applying on the blade, on the side that contacts the blade and another time after that before applying the rubber on it. The worst that can happen is to loose a glue sheet if you are right; to be sure, I would actually try with a broken unusable blade first; or a piece of wood that can be a substitute for the experience: if the paint transfer to the wood when taking off the glue sheet then we have a problem, unless it can be washed out easily. Of course best is to 1st normally apply the glue sheet to the blade and spray paint only the side that contacts the rubber; it might be enough and the blade will not be threatened in any way. |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 2:19pm
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http://www.butterflyonline.com/inventory.asp?CatId={290C518B-0641-401B-B04C-73C88AEC39B1} No, this won't work. Best to use a black OX sheet. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 3:09pm
Because you'd be painting the glue. Doing that would probably affect is adhesive qualities. What you want is for the thin plastic layer between the two layers of glue to be opaque. But the adhesive layer covers that. So you can't paint it without removing the adhesive layer. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 3:12pm
Technically that's not legal. But practically it might work depending on how well the glue adheres to the sheet. Painting the blade is technically not legal either. But then having a painting label on the blade surface is also not technically legal. From the standpoint of possibly altering playing characteristics and possibly needing to argue the legality, I think painting the blade is the best option. Using a "paint sheet" is probably the next best option ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 10/21/2013 at 4:10am
A forum member gave me one of these glue sheets, which he said he had obtained from Cole. The sheet works well in hiding the graphics on the blade. However, the glue sheet was a nightmare to remove when I needed to change rubber. ------------- The Dark Side is: "Quicker, easier, more seductive" - Yoda |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 10/21/2013 at 5:02am
THanks for all the comments guys!
Sorry, I should have made it clearer in my first post.... the lines are from the wood (the grain & pattern of the cut), not from any graphics in there. The blade is also a combination blade, so the pimples have to go on that particular side. To make it worse, the long pimple is more effective in red, so I have no choice but to use red.  ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 10/21/2013 at 12:54pm
I just had a similar problem removing a glue sheet. I used a blow drier to soften the glue and that made it scrape off fairly easily with a putty knife. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 10/21/2013 at 1:12pm
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if you have any old air samples around, they came with glue sheets that are opaque ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: jrscatman
Date Posted: 10/21/2013 at 1:59pm
I'm not an expert in this area at all - just wondering will the following product help? http://www.amazon.com/Assorted-Furniture-Repair-Markers-Scratch/dp/B001U0UOO6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1382378264&sr=8-3&keywords=colored+sharpie+white" rel="nofollow - http://www.amazon.com/Assorted-Furniture-Repair-Markers-Scratch/dp/B001U0UOO6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1382378264&sr=8-3&keywords=colored+sharpie+white ------------- Butterfly MPS FH: Donic Acuda S1 BH: Palio CK531A OX |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 10/21/2013 at 2:05pm
If he doesn't like the look but the bat is legal, I really don't see an issue. If any, it lies with the owner of the blade. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 10/21/2013 at 2:32pm
Well, that's the problem. An umpire or referee might very well consider the lines showing through as being illegal. It's a somewhat fuzzy area. The rules aren't crystal clear on this. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 10/21/2013 at 2:36pm
Any umpires online here ? ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: jrscatman
Date Posted: 10/21/2013 at 2:45pm
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I think the fact haggisv noticed the lines - would indicate it would be distracting opponents. At least someone could ask for a ruling during a tournament. ------------- Butterfly MPS FH: Donic Acuda S1 BH: Palio CK531A OX |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 10/21/2013 at 2:46pm
I am an umpire. Keep in mind that a player can always appeal an umpire's interpretation to the tournament referee. I gave details on the rules and T4 guidelines that might cause an umpire or referee to make a stink on OOAK forum. I could argue this one either way - legal or illegal. If pushed, I'd say the rules are not clear enough to say that it is illegal. But a referee could easily disagree. Here's my posting from OOAK: "It is certainly open for debate. I don't think this one is clear. An official might argue that either of these two rules apply. 2.4.6 The surface of the covering material on a side of the blade, or of a side of the blade if it is left uncovered, shall be matt, bright red on one side and black on the other. Here they might argue that only some portions of the covering are bright red. 2.4.7.1 Slight deviations from continuity of surface or uniformity of colour due to accidental damage or wear may be allowed provided that they do not significantly change the characteristics of the surface. You could use the above passage above to argue either way. On the one hand, it implies that uniformity of color matters and deviation is only allowed due to wear or accidental damage. On the other, it also suggest that non-uniform color can be tolerated (technically only if from damage or wear) if it does not significantly change the characteristics (playing characteristics implied). There are also passages in the T4 pamphlet that make it clear that they have a goal of a uniformly colored surface for racket surfaces. "1.4.3. Sandwich rubber More than one layer of cellular rubber (sponge) is not permitted, even if the layers are of the same composition. However, if the top sheet is translucent, then the layer underneath must be uniformly coloured; it is not permitted for a manufacturer's logo on the lower layer, or on the blade, to show through." "1. The racket covering It should be noted in particular that:Authorisation is given to the top sheet plus the top sheet / sponge combination. Red and black top sheets with the same ITTF number or supplier and brand name must have the same geometry, properties, and text (wording and numbering). The surface colours must be uniform. Red and black top sheets of the same brand do not require separate authorisation fees." ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 10/21/2013 at 2:53pm
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If he's a tournament player, he should switch to black OX or blade. If a club/rec player, who cares ?? ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 10/21/2013 at 7:54pm
Thank you Cole! Yes those are the only I remember like that...never seen any others from other brands. Thanks for the reminder though... I'll see if I have any old samples left. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 10/21/2013 at 7:57pm
Thank you. yes my friend is concerned about the legality, and wtuber post has outlined this really well.  If it was for myself, I would not bother. BTW black was not option in this case, as he wants the higher reversal that red offers. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 11/06/2013 at 6:05am
I thought I might revive this topic to see if anyone else knows of opaque glue sheets. Although I found 1 or 2 old glue sheets to do the job, I'll need more in future, and I've stilkl not found anyone that sells them.... they're all transparent!  ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: firetack
Date Posted: 11/07/2013 at 3:16pm
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Arn`t the Giant Dragon ones that come with their lp`s opaque maybe you can get them direct from Giant Dragon if you have the contact ibfo? ------------- Black Balsa 3.0 fh/tenergy 05 1.9 388d ox |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 11/08/2013 at 2:55am
The two backing sheets are opaque, but the actual adhesive layer in the middle is transparent, so that won't help.  ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: tt-panopticum
Date Posted: 11/08/2013 at 6:57am
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Hi, supposedly there is a white glue sheet material made by X-film called montex dx28 Should be possible to find online somewhere - if not, pm Best regards |
Posted By: BarryB
Date Posted: 04/01/2014 at 8:39am
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Got a question about glue sheets, but slightly off-topic because it's not about the transparency. On the BH I play with TSP curl p4 (now in 0,5 but can be ox or thicker as well) and on the FH with either Xiom Vega Pro, Xiom Vega Japan or Adidas P7 (can be in either 1.8, 2.0 or 2.2). Now everybody knows that long pips in general work better on harder/slower blades. I do play a Donic Defplay with curl P4 0.5mmon the BH side and Vega Japan on the FH side. This works out great for my pips BH but not on my FH. Even with other rubber on the FH I don't get the perfect feeling. I also have a different blade; the Adidas Hypertouch which is soft but rigid blade and a lot faster. Works great on my FH with Vega pro 1.8 or P7 1.8 mm but does not work well with the long pips (currently trying the same curl P4 0.5 mm) on my BH. When hitting a bit harder the sponge bottoms out and the ball 'hits' the wood'. With the fast and bouncy blade the ball tends to fly everywhere. But since my game is 65% FH spin I want to change from the Defplay to the Hypertouch if possible. So I could your advice how to make it work. One of my ideas is to use a gluesheet (or maybe even 2 gluesheets on top of eachother). I was thinking that applying 1 or 2 gluesheets will give the blade the desired harder and slower feel on the BH side. Another idea is to go up in sponge thickness. Normally that will make that blade side faster but when using a curl P4 1.5 mm the sponge does not bottom out that quickly with 'harder hits' thus less change of 'hitting the wood', thus less change of incontrollable effects because of the fast bouncy soft blade. Or a 3rd option.... combining both options above. What do you think? Best regards, Barry |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 04/01/2014 at 12:40pm
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Rec'd Air Glue Sheet from Cole (thx cole :) ) last week; it is a white glue sheet. When u order it from Cole, just ask him to check the glue sheet for u ( I got a transparent Air glue sheet last year). ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: firetack
Date Posted: 04/02/2014 at 3:51pm
Word of caution about the air glue sheets,they are an absolute nightmare to get off the blade,put a layer of rubber cement down before you attach or  ------------- Black Balsa 3.0 fh/tenergy 05 1.9 388d ox |
Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 04/02/2014 at 7:19pm
I have used some other glue sheets that stick like no tomorrow. So a layer of rubber cement would lessen the bond of the glue sheet to the blade? That's a nice trick to know; thanks for sharing. ------------- The Dark Side is: "Quicker, easier, more seductive" - Yoda |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 04/03/2014 at 12:02pm
thx for the tips I just glued the blade last night  , and I want to change the LP this weekend------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 04/03/2014 at 1:02pm
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wow, great tip on the layer of glue first. I've never seen a glue sheet that DIDN'T stick pretty hard if you left it on long enough. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 04/03/2014 at 3:50pm
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The Nittaku and Butterfly glue sheets can be peeled off the blade quite easily. They have different gluing strengths on both sides - less glue on the side attached to blade and stronger bond on side attached to rubber. Most glue sheets that come attached to an OX sheet are usually quite strong and hard to peel off.
------------- The Dark Side is: "Quicker, easier, more seductive" - Yoda |
Posted By: firetack
Date Posted: 04/03/2014 at 4:36pm
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Recommend the Gewo clean stick glue sheets,less sticky on the side that goes on the blade,it stays on the ox lp sheet when you peel it off not the blade, nb:not non transparent though! ------------- Black Balsa 3.0 fh/tenergy 05 1.9 388d ox |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 04/23/2014 at 5:28pm
Just an update on the air glue sheet. A layer of rubber cement will not help it. If you want a non-transparent glue sheet, you need to assure it is not a paper-like glue sheet; Air non-transparent glue sheet is a paper-like glue sheet. It is a COMPLETE nightmare to get it off the blade AND the rubber, spend ~ 1 hour to peel the glue sheet (small piece by small piece) off my blade and I still have no idea on what to do with that big piece of glue sheet stuck on my LP ox ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |