Palio Aeolus: new tensor
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Topic: Palio Aeolus: new tensor
Posted By: the_theologian
Subject: Palio Aeolus: new tensor
Date Posted: 04/12/2014 at 3:30pm
 Just noticed that Palio has a new tensor on the latest LARC ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
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Posted By: emihet
Date Posted: 04/12/2014 at 3:56pm
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is it more like blitz or more like thors? ------------- Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 04/12/2014 at 3:57pm
That's anyone's guess right now. I Can't find anything on it ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
emihet wrote:Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 04/12/2014 at 4:46pm
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It's about time! Always good to see a new Palio Tensor. Can't wait to find out what bits they're using from the current ESN crop. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 04/13/2014 at 10:40am
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I always love the center arrow on rubbers that have it to make sure my rubbers are on perfect. Gawd that rubber looks nice.  ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: Klopic
Date Posted: 01/17/2015 at 8:26am
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Seems to be similar to Blitz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SetR3FgyhyY
------------- Klopic Avalox Blue Thunder 550 F- Palio Aeolus Max B- Palio Blit' z, 2,0 mm |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 01/17/2015 at 11:02am
Well... wow, I guess it's almost time for everyone to throw their sheets of Blitz on the fire once Aeolus gets a full release. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: Ciprian
Date Posted: 01/17/2015 at 1:03pm
Blitz is still one of my favorite rubber. High hopes from Aeolus too. The price is around 40 euros  ------------- Xi Enting FH-Aurus Sound BH- Pryde 30 |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 01/17/2015 at 1:23pm
I couldn't find any well-known tt store selling it, though... ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 01/17/2015 at 1:41pm
http://tennisdiscount.eu/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=662" rel="nofollow - This place offers it for 28 Euro. They seem to only ship to Europe so I nominate you as one of the official Palio Aeolus testers for the forum since you are in Romania. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 01/17/2015 at 2:09pm
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Sponge looks like they borrowed it from Joola Maxxx 500 |
Posted By: acid
Date Posted: 01/17/2015 at 9:54pm
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i think fastpalace is selling Palio. Hope they will get these new rubbers soon. Their store from Colorado USA so may be it's trustable ? You guys should try it out!
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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 01/17/2015 at 10:46pm
I'm just going to quote you so your typo can remain on internet history forever before you edit it. Also, you seemed to have missed the news that fastpaddle is closing for at least 1-2 years because the man running the store is suffering from health problems. Visit the site, he left a message on the front page. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 01/18/2015 at 7:23pm
I think he ment www.paddlepaddle.com  ------------- |
Posted By: Ciprian
Date Posted: 01/19/2015 at 8:31am
It seems the rubber is sold out. ------------- Xi Enting FH-Aurus Sound BH- Pryde 30 |
Posted By: p1ngp0ng3r
Date Posted: 01/19/2015 at 8:58am
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There are more shops selling this rubber. For example: http://www.spinfactory.de/belaege/aeolus.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.spinfactory.de/belaege/aeolus.html http://www.ttdd.de/Palio2.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.ttdd.de/Palio2.html (scroll to the bottom) TTDD does not have the most fancy webshop, but they sell a lot of Chinese stuff. ------------- Infinity VPS - Hybrid MK - T25 FX |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 01/19/2015 at 11:00pm
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aaaaaaaaand ttnpp has it for a great price... http://ttnpp.com/store/german-style/803-palio-aeolus-made-in-germany-6.html" rel="nofollow - http://ttnpp.com/store/german-style/803-palio-aeolus-made-in-germany-6.html ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 02/07/2015 at 11:00pm
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Bought it, put it on the blade - will report soon. So far one thing is already REALLY bad for me - this rubber is VERY heavy. The cut piece weighs about 50 g - more than any Tenergy I have ever tried, and about 8-10 g more than my preferred rubbers (T-80 1.9 mm or KTL Red Diamond Mechanical). So instead of 168-172 g my new combo (with Tibhar Aurus 1.9 mm) weighed in at 183 g. Yikes... The difference is quite noticeable. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/07/2015 at 11:39pm
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Holy guacamole, that is heavy!!!!! |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 12:45pm
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Played a bit with it. But the balance of the combo was all wrong - so I have moved it to another one. For now all I can say it is very grippy, high throw. Also it seems that it became a little closer to the Tenergy style. That is, on slower short strokes it behaves slower, a bit muffled, but on harder stronger strokes it really throws the ball when you apply yourself. Will report more later. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 12:57pm
| JimT - What hardness did you order? I am going to order one, but not sure what hardness I want. Is the throw as high as Thors? |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 1:00pm
I wasn't aware they had anything else but 47.5. Probably not as high as Thors but close. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 1:07pm
There is also 45d at TTNPP. 47.5d is probably the same as BLIT'Z.
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 5:01pm
Where would you place it in comparison to the Bluefire line? Is it faster on power shots or about the same? Does it surpass them in any way in all-out play? What do you mean by it being close to the Tenergy style? I might be interested in this rubber if it is anything similar to Joola Maxxx 500. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 10:12pm
Really? Shoot, I should have ordered that one! See my next post. P.S. Eh, what the heck! Ordered 45 deg Aeolus as well. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 02/11/2015 at 10:18pm
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Played some more. First of all, it is a bit too hard for me to be used as a BH rubber, I need more control and easier ball grab on BH. On FH though I liked it. I played for about 1.5 hr with my BBC Tachyon (Hinoki-Carbon), Aeolus on FH, T-05FX on BH. Speed is about the same as T-80; probably a bit faster on stronger shots. It is harder than T-80 so sometimes it helps but sometimes it hurts. Like you need the ball to penetrate a little deeper to get good controlled opening loop. It worked great in flatter loops or in ones where you close the racket quickly - then you get a really nice going low loop-drive with a very decent spin. Spin is - on average - probably just a bit less than T-80. Throw angle - somewhat higher than T-80, perhaps about the same as T-05 FX. Sensitivity to spin - less than T-05 FX, but not by much. Generally, I would say it plays quite similar to a hybrid of T-64 and T-80. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 03/12/2015 at 7:04am
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Any further observations on it? |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/12/2015 at 7:23am
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Yeah, Jim - did you ever get the 45deg version? ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 03/12/2015 at 11:10am
If I have to guess, it's probably still stuck at the custom
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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/12/2015 at 12:28pm
How did you know? That is exactly where it is right now - in some sort of shipping bureaucracy limbo. Cannot even track it... ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/12/2015 at 12:31pm
OMFG !!!! Your post made me go and double-check at USPS website. It's HERE!!!! Out for Delivery - so it should be waiting for me when I get back home tonight. Yeah! It says now
and then March 10-11-12 moving to Massachusetts etc... But this info was not there even yesterday morning when I ran the same check! Effing snail mail... ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/25/2015 at 8:02am
Any updates on the lesser-spotted 45 degree Aeolus? Jim - would it be easier for you to fly out to Jamaica and pick it up in person?  ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/25/2015 at 1:24pm
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Oh, I received it quite a while ago and played with it already. It is certainly better - in my opinion, for me, that is - than 47 version. First of all, it is lighter - about 45 g cut - which is immediately a huge plus for me. Then it is a bit softer and I can use it on both sides with better control in placement. Still a high throw, so I would rather play it on BH, I think. I have put it on BH of my BBC Tachyon and it plays quite well there. It is not out-of-this-world kind of rubber but it is comparable with T-80 on the general quality of play, so there. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/25/2015 at 2:21pm
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Yay! Thanks for that. I'm going to track a sheet down. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: sweetstrike
Date Posted: 04/23/2015 at 1:43pm
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Jim, how would you say the spin compares between 45 and 47.5 degree? |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 04/24/2015 at 2:47pm
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Aeolus 45 is a bit softer, I could see that - so the spin is a little better, sensitivity is about the same. I liked it more than 47 because 47 version was really not convenient for me on BH, harder than I am used to, so less controllable in short game and placement. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: K581
Date Posted: 06/15/2015 at 8:09pm
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Hi, I'm quite curious about this rubber - how does it compare to Blitz if anyone's tried both for their respective hardnesses? ------------- YEO Pro (red lens) FH: TG2 Skyline NEO (41°) MAX BH: Fastarc S-1 MAX Waldner Senso Carbon (J0 Shape, solid handle) FH: Palio Hadou Biotech CHN 39° MAX BH: ? |
Posted By: Ben-Jammin
Date Posted: 09/02/2015 at 1:52pm
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blitz plays softer than Aeolus. in hardness blitz 47 is more similar to Aeolus 45. Compared to M2, Rasant, Rasant Turbo, I find Aeolus to be much spinnier. Compared to m2, it has a higher arc and i find my forehand loops to have much more bight off the table. When playing against my usual partner who typically uses Rasant forehand i have a much harder time returning his loops, although his blocks and drives are slower. Compared to my Thor's, it is easier to use and more controlled, but does not have as high a spin potential on loops. In the short game it performs well enough, not too bouncy but nothing outstanding. ------------- TBS FL, T05, T64 Viscaria FL, H3N, T64 |
Posted By: carbon136
Date Posted: 09/02/2015 at 2:29pm
| Can you post some photos of this rubber? |
Posted By: Ben-Jammin
Date Posted: 09/02/2015 at 2:37pm
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I will try tonight after rugby practice ------------- TBS FL, T05, T64 Viscaria FL, H3N, T64 |
Posted By: eonblue
Date Posted: 10/28/2015 at 3:04pm
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Is there another source for this besides ttnpp? ------------- Michael Maze ALC Volt-T/Volt-M |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 10/29/2015 at 10:51am
http://www.spinfactory.de/belaege/aeolus.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.spinfactory.de/belaege/aeolus.html ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: KleinesDickesAilton
Date Posted: 10/29/2015 at 11:26am
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Is Aeolus sold in 2.00mm anywhere? ------------- Kugelblitz |
Posted By: eonblue
Date Posted: 10/29/2015 at 3:07pm
Thanks, I saw that but can't find the English button and don't know if they ship to the USA. ------------- Michael Maze ALC Volt-T/Volt-M |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 10/29/2015 at 3:52pm
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Here's the page about delivery: http://www.spinfactory.de/lieferung/" rel="nofollow - http://www.spinfactory.de/lieferung/ . Use Google translate. Send them [email protected]" rel="nofollow - e-mail regarding shipping costs. You will find the e-mail address in the sentence at the bottom of the page. I believe they will be able to ship to the USA. ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 12/23/2015 at 5:46pm
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So I've been using Aeolus 45 degrees for the past few months now. In a nutshell I strongly dislike this rubber. It's too hard for my backhand and too soft for my forehand. Speed is very high but spin is medium at best. It's very bouncy, very unforgiving. Pushes are either too high or too long. Blocking is difficult. Spin on serves is nothing special and the bounciness makes it difficult to keep short. The lack of relative grip means there is very little dwell time and the ball slips a lot. What spin was there degrades rather quickly. To me, literally the only positive about this rubber is that correctly hit fast attacks are very fast. Though with all of the negatives I can think of many other rubbers to take its place. I'd say steer clear of this rubber and use your money towards something else. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 12/23/2015 at 6:33pm
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if Thors and Aeolus had a baby; that would end a lot of ej careers. sounds like Greek mythology hahaha -------------  "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 12/23/2015 at 6:50pm
Well Thor is from Norse mythology and Aeolus from Greek mythology. Though in terms of rubber quality, Thor's is a much better rubber. They are very different rubbers but Aeolus just fails in all regards in comparison. From What I remember Blitz is also better but I haven't touched that in a while. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: Ben-Jammin
Date Posted: 12/23/2015 at 7:10pm
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I think Aeolus is good as long as you don't brush loop, it definitely requires a more euro style forehand. I preferred the 47 degree version over the 45 ------------- TBS FL, T05, T64 Viscaria FL, H3N, T64 |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/23/2015 at 11:09pm
In almost every department entirely different from my take on this. Sorry - it must be one of those cases. I have to say that I know four people already (my level or higher) who tried it in the last 6 months - literally all of these four are still using it. I have it on two of my four regular blades. Still using it, still liking it. Played entire JOOLA Teams with it on my BH, and it was a really good tournament for me (that is, until I ripped my underarm muscle or tendon or whatever in my last match on Saturday). Not sure about how long it will last - mostly because I am constantly switching between my paddles. So far it holds up OK. Never seen a 2.0mm version of it. If anyone sees it somewhere - let me know, I would like to try it too. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 12/24/2015 at 12:58am
And that's fine. Some things are subjective but I just wanted to give out my opinion. To be fair, I would twiddle it with my Omega 5 Asia (an even harder sponge than the 47 degree Aeolus) and found that I can use it much better on my backhand than Aeolus, even though OVA is also too hard for my backhand. So Aeolus just isn't a good fit for me. That being said, what isn't subjective is that this rubber isn't at the top end of spin production, even relative to other Eurojap rubbers. Xiom Omega 5 series, Tibhar MXP and MXS, and Tenergy 05 and even 64 still have some more spin. Not that Aeolus is spinless but it makes me think of a higher throw Bryce. I am also not a fan of Bryce but still recognize it can be used by others very well. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/24/2015 at 10:29am
Again, absolutely contrary to my impressions. For the last year or longer I have played with Tenergy 80 and 05-FX and then other rubbers like Tibhar Aurus Soft, KTL RD Mechanical and some others. Aeolus is at minimum as good in spin as all of them; I would say better than most of them. Are you certain you have Aeolus 45 and not 47.5? ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Stoyo
Date Posted: 03/26/2016 at 11:20am
| I'm interested in trying Aeolus, any updates on the rubber? Compare with Blitz if you can. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/26/2016 at 11:52am
I still play with Aeolus 45 and a couple of my friends (at my level) are playing with it - they both like it a lot. I still maintain that it has very good spin and speed. The only department where it yields a bit to my other regular rubber, Tenergy 80, is the grab of the ball on brushing shots. It has about the same longevity as Tenergy. For half the price I think this is certainly something to look at as an alternative to T-05 and T-80. It is a little difficult to compare to Blitz because Blitz did not have 45 version. 42.5 was a tad softer and 47 was certainly a very nice rubber with similar topsheet but slightly harder sponge. I played with Blitz 47 for several months and I liked it as well but it has a little less control in placement shots and a bit more hardness that I would like, so for me Aeolus is a slightly better fit. And I think spin on Aeolus 45 is better, too. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 03/26/2016 at 12:20pm
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Hi Jim, Could you compare it to Yasaka Risinng Dragon, Yinhe Big Dipper, Sanwei Target National, if you have tried them? Or other rubbers in the same class either price wise or performance wise? Thanks! ------------- instagram: rokphishtt Member of EJ Anonymous Hurricane Lover |
Posted By: Klopic
Date Posted: 03/26/2016 at 12:32pm
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Aeolus 47,5° is similar to Blitz 47,5° with little bit more spin and speed. Playing characteristics are similar. Great control, easy to play. Great rubber for this price. Yinhe Big dipper is totaly different rubber. Compare with Aeolus it is much harder. Aeolus is Euro-Japan style, BD is chinese style - sticky, rock hard. In compare with DHS rubbers is much faster. Aeolus is IMHO much better than BD. ------------- Klopic Avalox Blue Thunder 550 F- Palio Aeolus Max B- Palio Blit' z, 2,0 mm |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/26/2016 at 12:38pm
Did not play BD or any of the rubbers mentioned in the previous post. My understanding is they are quite different. They are tacky or somewhat tacky rubbers with harder sponge - they usually require different technique. Aeolus 47 felt a bit harder than Blitz 47, by the way. So I quickly sold it and bought 45. Not to mention, 45 is 2-3 grams lighter which for me is a big plus. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/26/2016 at 2:04pm
Yeah, +1 and what Jim said. Apples and oranges really. I used Aeolus 45 for a brief time and the spin was good but the speed was huge. One of the fastest ESN rubbers of recent years, which made getting the spin out of it more challenging than usual IMO. Incredible value for money, if you're specifically after a FAST rubber.
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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/26/2016 at 2:39pm
It is indeed more linear than T-05, for instance. It doesn't have that low speed muffling effect of Tenergy. There is still catapult on stronger shots - and there it is at least as fast as T-05, T-80. I actually like both, but they do play somewhat differently in slower shots - both in speed and control. I play Aeolus on relatively fast blade but with soft thick Hinoki outers and that certainly helps with control and lowers speed a little. Andy is right - I would not recommend using Aeolus on fast carbon blades with harder outers - like Yinhe T-8 or TB ALC (Spirit) for instance. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 03/27/2016 at 11:46am
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thanks! ------------- instagram: rokphishtt Member of EJ Anonymous Hurricane Lover |
Posted By: Stoyo
Date Posted: 04/05/2016 at 7:35am
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Just got a sheet for my friend, black max 47.5 and i can tell its noticeably softer than blitz. Its probably due to the porous sponge that provides the elasticity. If i get his permission to try it i will write a further review. From the first impression it looks Palio did great on improving Blitz. ------------- T-4, Blitz Black Max, Sigma Pro Red 2.0mm |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 04/05/2016 at 2:05pm
Aeolus is indeed a very good successor to Blitz... but 47.5 version to me felt same as Blitz in terms of hardness ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Stoyo
Date Posted: 04/22/2016 at 4:56pm
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After trying the rubber for 2-3 days i have to say its faster, has a little better feeling - probably because it is a bit softer than Blitz - and i think it is less spiny on brushing and a bit harder to do, normal spin was better and faster. Take my review with lots grains of salt because i tried it for a little time for a proper review and my Blitz is like 2-3 years old! and i am used to it. Though i think it wouldnt change much my opinion, generally has better feeling but for me i think its not the one, i will order a new sheet of Blitz and try to compare more. Peace ------------- T-4, Blitz Black Max, Sigma Pro Red 2.0mm |