Xiom Rubbers Help
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Topic: Xiom Rubbers Help
Posted By: Pondus
Subject: Xiom Rubbers Help
Date Posted: 06/02/2014 at 8:34am
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Can I ask for a little guidance on Xiom rubbers? I'm familiar with how other brands will typically have a certain rubber, and then have a soft sponged version of that same rubber; Butterfly with their "FX", Andro with their "PowerSponge", Donic with their "Big Slam"... etc. Some, like Yasaka, even just straight forward calls their soft-sponged versions "soft"... imagine that. But I'm not sure how that works with Xiom rubbers... or perhaps it doesn't. For example, what would be a Xiom rubber equivalent of Andro Hexer PowerSponge and Donic Baracuda Big Slam? Is there a certain definition in terms of feel/hardness that goes with the names "Elite", "Asia", "Europe", "PRO"... etc, similar to how other brands do it? Thanks. |
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 06/02/2014 at 8:50am
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Xiom's naming convention is pretty solid within a single range of rubbers. It becomes hard to compare across ranges though (Omega to Sigma, for example). Generally, soft -> hard goes like this (and I'm talking about overall feel, not just sponge hardness): Elite -> Europe -> Pro -> (Tour / Asia) I'm not 100% on the distinction between Tour and Asia to be honest. Tour has only recently appeared in the Omega V line, so it's hard to compare back to Vega Asia. Maybe others can pitch in. The problem is, these only hold in a specific range of rubbers. Vega Elite is softer than Omega IV Elite, for example. I'd say Hexer PS probably falls between Omega IV Elite and Omega IV Euro. Vega Elite is closEST to Barcuda BS IMO, but I don't think there's a direct equivalent in Xiom's line-up. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 06/02/2014 at 8:52am
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My understanding is that, at least until Omega V series rubbers came out, these labels meant something like this: Elite - very soft and spinny, for allround play Europe - medium hardness, for european-style looping from mid-distance Pro - hardest, for people who can swing hard Asia - between Europe and Pro in hardness, for asian-style close to the table play
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Posted By: Pondus
Date Posted: 06/02/2014 at 8:52am
Thanks, Andy & VVK1 - very helpful.  |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 06/02/2014 at 8:56am
+1. P.S.: BTW, xiomtt.com now lists details of Omega V Asia, Europe, and Tour but not the Pro version. IMHO, they're trying to differentiate these now by "strategy" - Asia for aggressive play, Europe for balanced mixed play, and Tour is touted as suitable for both "control" and "mixed" play strategy, whatever that means. |
AndySmith wrote:Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 06/02/2014 at 9:06am
In addition:
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 06/02/2014 at 9:09am
Yeah, I saw that and it worries me. I really, really like OVPro, but it's not even on their website. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 06/02/2014 at 9:10am
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Slevin, you can't post that in good faith without linking to the original.... ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 06/02/2014 at 11:27am
"- sigma series: rubbers mostly for pushblockers" - this really cracks me up 
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Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 06/02/2014 at 4:44pm
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VEGA ELITE 40 VEGA EUROPE 42.5 VEGA JAPAN 45 VEGA PRO 47.5 VEGA ASIA 47.5 VEGA CHINA VM 54 OMEGA IV ELITE 40 OMEGA IV EUROPE 42.5 OMEGA IV PRO 47.5 OMEGA IV ASIA 47.5 OMEGA V PRO AND TOUR 47.5 SIGMA I EUROPE 47.5 SIGMA I PRO 47.5 SIGMA II EUROPE 45 SIGMA II PRO 47.5 |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 06/02/2014 at 4:49pm
It's the silliest thing I've read in a while. The Sigma series is probably the best at counterlooping amongst all of their lines. Omega has better opening loops while Sigma has better counterloops. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: smarta
Date Posted: 06/02/2014 at 5:29pm
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Sigma tons of spin...but very low throw angle, it's not good for looping, traiectory too much linear.. ------------- blade: yinhe galaxy t-11+ fh: sigmaIIeurope 2.0 mm bh: donic coppa silver x3 2mm |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 06/02/2014 at 5:39pm
I love it, Great for looping. Just learn how to loop with low arc, its very deadly. Check all the Chinese style - world level players. All using low arc rubbers to loop. Hence your theory of low arc is not good for looping isn't true |
Posted By: smarta
Date Posted: 06/02/2014 at 5:44pm
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World level players? Dhs h3 :very high throw angle Tenergy 05: very high throw angle too sorry ------------- blade: yinhe galaxy t-11+ fh: sigmaIIeurope 2.0 mm bh: donic coppa silver x3 2mm |
Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 06/03/2014 at 1:11am
Omega iv Asia 48 ------------- Butterfly Fransizka ZLC FL Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 FH Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 BH |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 10:10am
| what xiom rubber is fastest? |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 12:07pm
| DHS H3 has very high throw angle!?? I'd like to get that version smarta uses. ;) |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 12:12pm
I would say omega IV pro is the fasted xiom rubber I have tried. I have tried vega pro, vega Asia, vega Europe, sigma II Europe and sigma II pro, omega IV elite and omega IV pro. OMG IV pro is the hardest to control for me tho... |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 12:21pm
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thanks bns7117 is omega IV pro faster than Vega Japan? |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 12:29pm
| I have not tried them before, sorry... Really would like to compare vega china vs vega Japan some day... |
Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 1:17pm
from my opinion it is faster yes. ------------- My list of blades for sale https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wYci9423byd3X43DhSsaXOmysNKMfK-RnPWSo3UfpkQ/edit?usp=drivesdk |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 4:53pm
thanks. and what about weight? |
Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 4:56pm
| Both omega IV pro and vega asia at max thickness are pretty heavy. |
Posted By: Butt Stallion
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 6:05pm
| compared to Tenergy or DHS they are not heavy at all... |
Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 6:10pm
I think the Omega IV Pro is a bit heavier but not much. ------------- My list of blades for sale https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wYci9423byd3X43DhSsaXOmysNKMfK-RnPWSo3UfpkQ/edit?usp=drivesdk |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 6:42pm
never had DHS but compare to Joola Maxxx I am using much heavier |
Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 7:58pm
fastest - sigma I, but it is too hard (that's why it's not popular) omega is faster than vega but more linear so it won't have as strong of a kick. generally better for bh spinniest - vega pro however, best overall imo is omega v. sort of combines the best of vega and omega series most powerful - sigma ii. it's pretty hard, but grippy the way hurricane is hard but still grippy. like sigma i, it's also very fast but since it's easier to spin, it's practically usable unlike sigma i. ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 10:19pm
Bingo! ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 10:36pm
This is something they also did with their blades when they first hit the scene circa 2008. They tried to make things very "scientific" with all sorts of graphs that when you looked closely did not make a lot of sense, and their product line was huge. Each blade was supposed to be scientifically tailored to a specific way of playing. But they would change them every year (and stopped with the Joola-style head shapes) and would discontinue blades very quickly. Their blade product line is a lot more stable these days. But the array of rubbers is really hard to keep track of. I owned a few of their blades, they were very beautifully made, but none of them quite did it for me. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 10:48pm
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It's worse than I thought. I just checked the Xiom web page. Vega (alone) comes in Pro, Europe, Elite, Asia, China, and Japan versions. That is six variants just of Vega. Also various forms of Omega II, III, IV and V. Several Sigmas, a Tau, a Zeta, and then because they decided they were tired of Greek letters a Musa. The mind boggles. It would cost a great deal of money to try each of them to see which ones you liked. |
Posted By: Crowsfeather
Date Posted: 07/26/2014 at 11:09pm
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I asked xiom about the hardness of pro and Asia. The answer is pro has a softer sponge but a harder surface. asia has a harder sponge but a softer surface. by comparing on the same serie. ------------- I'm no longer an EJ and I'm proud . |