ECL 2014/15. Marcos Freitas - Timo Boll
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Topic: ECL 2014/15. Marcos Freitas - Timo Boll
Posted By: piligrim
Subject: ECL 2014/15. Marcos Freitas - Timo Boll
Date Posted: 01/17/2015 at 6:37pm
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/17/2015 at 6:50pm
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Sad face for Boll. I think the new ball has had more of an impact on his game than it has for most players. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/17/2015 at 9:23pm
I actually think it benefitted his game if it is the DHS ball - the opposite is likely true for the Nittaku Premium. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
AndySmith wrote:Posted By: Tommy16
Date Posted: 01/18/2015 at 12:59am
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I whached both Timos matches live from laola1 and I got an impression that Timo had some kind of pain in some part of his body. I can´t really explain this, just an impression I got. He surely wasn´t looking like he normally does. ------------- What is the point of playing safe shots when you can miss with style My feedback: http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67171&KW=&PID=811763&title=tommy16-feedback#811763 |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 01/18/2015 at 6:35am
| I think he hs a disadvantage.His game relies on heavy topspin but with these balls his topspin is like every other pros with the old ball it countered his game |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 01/18/2015 at 7:30am
Timo'S game is quite versatile and is not just based on one-sided reliance on heavy topspin. Just look how often he tries to stay close to the table and counterhit almost off-the-bounce, unlike his opponent. The problem is that Timo is not getting any younger, while Freitas is coming into his own, and keeps gradually improving. It is normal, older generation is challenged by the newer generation.
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/18/2015 at 7:47am
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For sure, Timo's age counts against him. However, watching his recent matches makes me think some of his previous strengths are now weaknesses. The main one being his BH heavy topspin. Timo used to apply pressure with this shot, but now it's a half-length high ball waiting to be killed. Countering looks much easier with the new ball, and Timo can't compensate with speed around the court or increased physicality. Whereas Freitas has the type of game to take advantage of the new ball, IMO. I'm not just basing this on the above match alone. He's had a bad run recentl . NL - why do you think he would be better off with the DHS ball? ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/18/2015 at 9:43am
Look at the World Cup - his balls came so low even with his usual high arcing topspin. I think this particular matchup has changed more because of other reasons, but if Timo is healthy, he still has his chances against anyone with the DHS ball. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 01/18/2015 at 11:09am
What makes you think TB has had a bad run recently? He's maintained the same place in the world top 10 throughout the year, and has beaten Ovtcharov for the first time in the past 2 or 3 years.
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Posted By: rui pedro81
Date Posted: 01/18/2015 at 11:31am
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its very simple actually, people believe what they want to believe. during the whole european team championships he only lost 1 game (against a superb marcos freitas), in bundesliga hes had 1 loss in 11 matches and in the recent world cup he took the world and olympic champion zhang jike to 7 sets! are all these indicators hes slowing down or having difficulty with the new ball? believe what you want i guess :) to me hes the same old timo boll... ------------- http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47168&KW=feedback+rui&" rel="nofollow - my feedback |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/18/2015 at 4:24pm
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Bear in mind that I didn't say that he was losing more matches than usual. For me, it's the way his games are going in terms of style - how other players are bossing him around in certain circumstances. Boll's loss to Calderano is the best example I can give. Boll's usual "safe" play ended up toast then, and I see similar issues in recent matches (wins or losses). He lost to Freitas and Wang Jian Jun last week in the ECL (so not sure where the 1 loss in 11 comes from - old info?). My sad face comes from how easy it seems for SOME opponents to hit though him these days, and my own opinion is that a big contributing factor to that is the combination of his style and the new ball. Not the ONLY factor, but a notable one. WJJ has a very one-dimensional game, for example, but it was enough. It's early days, so let's see how he does in this calendar year (15/16) overall. I want to see how Boll does when playing regularly in ITTF open events. He hasn't done much of that recently. I'd also like to see how he does against the higher level counterhitting players. The first time he plays FZD will be very telling (the nature of the play, rather than the result). I don't have anything against Boll by the way - I think he's just swell. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: rui pedro81
Date Posted: 01/18/2015 at 9:46pm
sorry but i cant seem to understand what your trying say  let me just say im not even a timo boll fan, its just i dont agree with some things your´re saying. in my opinion even when he loses i dont seem him being bossed around at all, the losses to marcos and wang jiun were extremely balanced matches and hard to predict the result and the loss to calderano was just a bad day for boll and a great day for calderano, im sure he had bad days before the new ball when he was younger? also i believe boll met calderano again in german cup and beat him not sure though... btw the 11-1 record is in the german league not the champions league :)------------- http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47168&KW=feedback+rui&" rel="nofollow - my feedback |
Posted By: right2niru
Date Posted: 01/18/2015 at 11:23pm
Possibly T05 on his BH is slowing his  open game down ; Perhaps he would join the EJ club and switch to T64 BH .------------- ZJK SZLC |5Q+ |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 10:17am
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So I watched the return leg of this fixture, and it was a totally different Boll. He attacked the ball early, played most shots flatter, and was much more positive in general. Brilliant performance, and I have to say that I have no idea what I'm talking about above. The first leg could have been anything - adjustment needed, injury, fatigue, bad day at the office, etc. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 10:51am
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It is understandable to speak about TB's level and the new ball etc... But, never underestimated Freitas, he can fight on every point and force his opponent to make mistakes...he is a little bit like a "leech", in the positive meaning of course:))) He is able to defeat all the European players. ------------- Def play grey grip 94gr, Venus 2 blue 2,2, Neubauer KO extreme 1,3mm |
Posted By: rui pedro81
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 2:13pm
I could say exactly excuses for marcos freitas in this match against boll... fatigue, injury etc etc the truth is marcos felt the pressure and played below his level unlike boll who just played better and deserved the win. ------------- http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47168&KW=feedback+rui&" rel="nofollow - my feedback |