short pips on forehand
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Topic: short pips on forehand
Posted By: Skyline
Subject: short pips on forehand
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 1:27pm
| I'm thinking of putting short pips on my forehand. I've always been more of a flat hitter than a looper. Although my looping has seriously improved over the years, I just don't have the power and the footwork to loop every ball. I'm looking for a really fast and spinny short pip that enables me to loop the first ball and than finish the point with a killer smash. Any suggestions? |
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Posted By: rajd1234
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 2:00pm
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One of my clubmates uses some Dr.Neubauer short pimples on FH and Anti on BH. He used to be an inverted rubber user. The problem he faces is the shot selection and rally away from table. ------------- ...Rajd... My feedback url: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=72846&PN=1#893078 |
Posted By: Matt Pimple
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 2:11pm
If your footwork is not that good, short pips won't help you either. You have less margin of error with sp so footwork is very important.
You need to stay close to the table with sp (and anti unless you chop). ------------- OSP Ultimate; Dr. Neubauer Dominance Spin Hard max, Dr. Neubauer Troublemaker 0.5 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55835&title=feed-back-for-matt-pimple" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Skyline wrote:Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 2:19pm
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Most people start with 802-40, it's a whopping $8 a sheet, works fine and is somewhat spinny, so the transition from inverted is eased. You can get it from several places, I bought mine from Cole. jfolsen |
Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 2:28pm
well yes you're right maybe that came out wrong. What I meant to say was that looping every ball does not feel naturally to me. I definitely realise that you have to be quick on your feet to play with short pimples succesfully.
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Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 2:30pm
I have tried the 802-40 but I'm afraid that it's too slow for me.
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Posted By: gatz
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 3:33pm
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spectol would be your best bet but you really need to get used to it to unleash the power....it is more specific and precise on the timing. ------------- Blade: ZJ SZLC, Garayda 5000 Matador Texa Rubbers: FH::Symmetry SP BH: Tenergy Hard, FH: MoristoSP ax BH: Tenergy Hard,FH:Desperado 2 BH: Omega 7 Asia |
Posted By: 42andbackpains
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 4:28pm
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I have made the switch to short pips on my BH. Short pips requires even better timing than inverted rubbers and correct position of your blade angle. Since i only play once per week, its been a struggle. My advise is to ask someone in your club to give you some pointers. I use Stiga Clippa 2.0 and its a allround short pips that can do everything you need. I previously tried Adidas spin blaze 1.8 and it was indeed spinnier than Stiga Clippa, but it lacked the control i get from Clippa. Good luck on your endeavors. ------------- Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P OSP Ultimate II 88 grams FH Dianchi D w/ Secret Sauce BH Butterfly T05 Red USATT rating keeps going down |
Posted By: JEAus
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 5:17pm
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I switched to short pips on the forehand for a couple of years and Raystorm worked best for me. I found Blaze Spin much harder to control as it seemed inconsistent, 802-40 was slower and less spinny with similar control. As I used a mixture of loops, drives and flat hits, I didn't try less spinny short pips. ------------- Regards, Jonathan |
Posted By: suds79
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 5:58pm
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If coming from inverted, I'd probably 802-40 in 2.0 I play regular 802 in 2.0 If you're more of a flat hitter, it might be a good switch for you. Chances are you're not hitting with much spin anyways. But here are some things you can expect. - You have to choose your shots of which ones to go for much more carefully. You simply cannot spin any shot. Particularly low balls. - You should be up on the table. Playing off the table and rallying with SPs will make you feel out gunned. - The blocking & feeling of control is wonderful. You'll have to become more of a directional & placement player. - Dang near any serve off the table you can attack. I reference Liu Guoliang here. He was great to watch in how he handles long serves. - You'll do very little looping, if at all. Lastly, keep in mind the spinier the SP you choose, the less disturbance effect it will have on your opponents. The less spinny it is, the more they will complain that the ball is dead and the trajectory is so flat... but then again it's harder to attack with that sort of rubber. It's a give & take. I myself prefer middle of the road grip and I'll just learn to hit with it. If i wanted spiny, I'd just play inverted.
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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 5:59pm
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Rakza P.O. Kristian Karlsson is Europe's highest rated shakehand short pips forehand player and he uses this. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 9:09pm
who knows the features of rakza PO , Mathias FH was very fast playing to the frenchman.
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Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 04/29/2015 at 12:15am
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802-40 1.8 or maybe 2.0mm for starters. 802 2mm after you adapted to 802-40. There are grippier SP out there but why bother? If you want grip use inverted rubber. There are some older Chinese gents at the club that play with 802 1.5mm on their c-pen and play first table in league play. I find 802 1.5mm to be so thin for FH rubber. What did He Zhi Wen use? I thought he used 802 2mm. I have never played well with 802 on my FH. Only 802-40. 802-40 doesn't have much grip and 802 has even less. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 04/29/2015 at 12:32am
he has played with 802 and tsp sponge, also dolphin and now with superspinpips
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Posted By: viva
Date Posted: 04/29/2015 at 12:32am
Try Victas > 102 in 1.8 or mizuno short pips. Victas is the easiest switch and mizuno short pips are possibly the fastest and quite fast. ------------- My trade feedback here: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40170&title=viva-buy-sell-feedback |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/29/2015 at 12:37am
You mean Mathias - Kristian plays with inverted. For the OP - try one of the Butterfly Short pips if you want to go that route - Flarestorm, Raystorm and Challenger Attack all have good reputations. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 04/29/2015 at 1:14am
Yes I mean Mathias. I always confuse the two of them. Thanks ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: speedy
Date Posted: 04/29/2015 at 1:16am
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Stiga Royal. I tried 1.8mm for close-to-the-table, and 2.0mm. I like 1.8mm better. If you hit everything like crazy (like me) I would go with 1.8mm. ------------- SPEEDY Viscaria Super ALC ST JOOLA Rhyzen CMD(FH) Nittaku Moristo SP (BH) |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 04/29/2015 at 2:05am
there is mizuno booster HP,EV,SA
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Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 04/29/2015 at 4:33am
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Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 04/29/2015 at 7:25pm
Speedy how do you find royal with the new ball? Does it have more spin or less then the likes of spectol and 802? ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: buffalowings
Date Posted: 04/29/2015 at 9:42pm
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moristo SP hands down. in terms speed and spin. abit hard to control due to the power of it. dont go for max. try 2.0 first.
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Posted By: Johnny1996
Date Posted: 04/30/2015 at 1:28am
| winning np1 np8, good control. |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 04/30/2015 at 3:32am
A chinese girl became single junior world champion with moristo on FH
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Posted By: Da Baobei
Date Posted: 04/30/2015 at 4:56am
Also a lot of the japanese women/girls play with moristo - I think in 1.8 - on their bh. |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 04/30/2015 at 5:36am
what about hammond FA speed and the new short pips(nittaku beautry)? heard anything bout them or any good last gen short pip?
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Posted By: Da Baobei
Date Posted: 04/30/2015 at 11:34am
Nittaku claims that Beautry is made for the plastic ball and that it's their spinniest short pip. It offers maximum diameter minimum height and density of the pimple in current ITTF specification. According to some reviews it offers great spin with decent speed and is not as bouncy as the Moristo SP. It should be similar to Mizuno's Booster SA which has been the best selling short pip in Japan for months. The Beautry is made in Japan and has the same sponge hardness as the german made Moristo SP. I don't know much about Hammond FA Speed other than that it was used besides Spectol 21 before many pros switched to Moristo SP. |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 04/30/2015 at 8:30pm
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I feel moristo is picky on blades... It is best on slightly softer blades rather then a hard one ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 04/30/2015 at 9:11pm
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Moristo is good for speedy countering but too soft for me. Hard to put enough spin on pushes and serves. Overall, I find that BTY Challenger 1.9 in black (at the recommendation of Gao Jun) works best for me with the new plastic ball. ------------- Current USATT Rating: 2181 Argentina National Team Member, 1985-1986. Current Club: Los Angeles Table Tennis Association. My Setup: Yinhe Q1 / T64 2.1 black / Saviga V 0.5mm red |
Posted By: interact215
Date Posted: 04/30/2015 at 10:22pm
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I was just about to recommend Butterfly Challenger Attack 1.9 when I saw roundrobin's post. I've been playing penhold with SP on FH for only 2 months, EJing SPs including JOOLA Express Ultra, Stiga Clippa, and 802-40, on a few different high quality blades including Xiom Strad, Stiga Clipper Wood and Butterfly Chinese Tamca ULC. I just tried Challenger on my Strad and it's the best combo so far. Better control than other SPs I tried and still comparable spin and speed. Flat hitting has been really good so far. My understanding is Challenger is an "in between" SP which is part "classic" (hit through spin) and part "sticky" newer generation SP. I believe it's also medium hardness. JEU, Clippa, Raystorm, 802-40, Moristo, and Victas are all in the "sticky" category, so they have less of the de-spinning qualities of "classic" SPs.
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Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 05/01/2015 at 7:33pm
i need to know if beautry has knuckle efect or if its another spinny pips that plays like inverted,what oher pips is good in the reviews you ve been checking? how its booster HP?
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Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 05/01/2015 at 7:51pm
i thought it was the other way round, a player i know with taksim +moristo sp makes more knuckle balls than my clipper +moristo
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Posted By: illinichamps
Date Posted: 05/01/2015 at 9:07pm
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Sorry, this is a little off the topic but it has been weighing on my mind. I use both sides inverted but i have been toying with both LP and sp.. I like sp but I don't seem to know how to use it effectively. Are there any videos or tutorials that anyone has used to learn bh sp? Or is it either get a coach and/or trial and error? Btw I saw the video that schen made of that player from NY.. while its good I don't think that is enough.. just really nothing on youtube. thanks in advance ------------- H3 Prov. |MJ SZLC | 05 FX |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 05/01/2015 at 9:32pm
Check out this thread I was recently a part of. http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71090" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71090 ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: Da Baobei
Date Posted: 05/02/2015 at 2:36am
If you want something with knuckle effect then beautry is the wrong choice, it's another spinny pip like you said. If you want some knuckle effect I would recommend the Victas VO>101, it is pretty fast and has more knuckle effect than most shortpips - the Victas VS>101 and 102 are also very popular in Japan along with Mizuno Boosters , Moristo SP and Spectol. About the Booster HP, it should be a mix between the spin based SA (spin attack) and speed based EV (explosive velocity) and is the least popular of the three. Out of the Boosters the EV would meet your requirements the most but i think the VO>101 would be a better fit. Basically there are 3 types of pips: Trapezoidal pip shape - spin type Cylindrical pip shape - "change" type Trapezoidal+cylindrical - speed type Of course this can't be applied to all pips but should give you a rough guideline what to look for. You could also try medium pips if you want even more knuckle balls like Ai Fukuharas Armstrong Attack 8. |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 05/03/2015 at 4:27pm
I agree with you about the knuckle effect... I find that on a harder blade it did have more knuckle but that was the only plus side... I found that the ball just did not bite well with my t5000 a little bit better on the clearfield but best on the clipper... The loss of bite meant that the ball skids a lot more on on harder loops... It meant loss of control on various shots and I cannot serve or push with a decent level of spin |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 11/27/2015 at 2:33am
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Posted By: avi3230
Date Posted: 11/27/2015 at 7:09am
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Anyone tried palio power dragon?? Here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpDAwIEQBtU) is video review which I cant understand  Any help will be appreciated.
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Posted By: FlatHitter
Date Posted: 11/27/2015 at 1:30pm
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I have switched 3 of my students to short pips, forehand (penhold) and forhand/backhand (shakehand) all three are playing better..returning serves and hitting with out all of the "double thinking" or..should i loop or hit that ball?..also, these players are over 50 years old and cant take the years to learn how to deal with spin. there blocking game has also improved a lot....I play with short pips on my backhand too..sometimes I miss inverted rubber when I loop with my backhand but, overall it is easier for me to deal with topspin and heavy backspin. "punchblocking" is advantage with short pips and close to the net "flips" get the ball in there face a lot quicker than inverted and make it harder for loopers the get leverage on there loops. currently all of us are using JOOLA express"ultra" it was difficult for me to get my shots to get past players with slower pip rubbers. ------------- If your phone is'nt ringing, it's probably me... |
Posted By: Snakefish
Date Posted: 11/27/2015 at 3:15pm
What sponge thickness are they using on their short pips ? ------------- Andro Treiber Z - fl FH: Tibhar MX-D max BH: Tibhar Quantum ProX-blue,max |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 11/28/2015 at 2:57am
Joola pips are very amateurish .try moristo sp and they will be more dangerous |
Posted By: FlatHitter
Date Posted: 11/28/2015 at 7:25am
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We are all using 2.0, although I do have a sheet of "max thick" on order, I think it will be better on the forehand. I just put another paddle together with short pips for a new student on a JOOLA t.p.e. "feeling" blade, making it #5 for us short pippers..were starting to rule the club! ------------- If your phone is'nt ringing, it's probably me... |
Posted By: buffalowings
Date Posted: 11/28/2015 at 10:25am
| try china's Haifu dolphin. good pips too |