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Topic: Cheating in Table Tennis
Posted By: DTopSpirit
Subject: Cheating in Table Tennis
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 9:32am
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Hi all - here's a cynical and biased video on the subject of cheating in table tennis. Note that all views expressed therein are not necessarily my own. Cheers, Greg ------------- http://gregsttpages.com" rel="nofollow - Greg's Table Tennis Pages |
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 10:08am
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"Is that Par Gerell over there?" Good stuff! ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 10:56am
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Cheating in table tennis??!! I'm shocked--shocked! Table tennis is a fun-filled wholesome sport for mom and dad, brother and sis, grandpa Bob and Tiny Tim, fireman Jim and Deacon Jeremiah. The Amish play table tennis! Shame, shame, shame, Mr. Letts. This sort of cynicism can do nothing but bring disfavor to--well, er--to the finest and fairest sport ever played with two or four paddles on a table. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 1:04pm
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So there are no cheaters in table tennis! That's great isn't it? ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 1:26pm
| Great Video, but I think it reflects life in general and not just PP and probably too deep for this forum. I hope there aren't too many forum members being offended (= cheaters) |
Posted By: suds79
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 1:32pm
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I like these videos but I couldn't get past the answer the guy in the green jacket says at 1:49. He admits to trying to hide the ball. I don't think that would be the case. Rather, he would say, "I disagree with your assessment that I was hiding the ball. What I am doing is almost hiding the ball. You misread the serves and I think you're reaching for answers why you're having trouble with them." Not to make serious what typically is a video series based around satire.
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 1:50pm
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I like these videos. Umpires that allow themselves to be intimidated should not be umpires probably. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 2:24pm
Yes and No. Yes that it reflects life in general. No, that it is too deep for the forum. No, in that the source of it is unenforceable or badly enforced rules. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
tom wrote:Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 2:39pm
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Great work! ------------- My serves are like potato skins at TGI Fridays - they're loaded. |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 4:15pm
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I've boosted my rubbers in the past. It's true I swear; don't be aghast. At times I'd resort to serves illegal-- Serves which I learned from my pet beagle. I used to coat my old junk rubber With the finest Greenland whale blubber. But now I've decided to come clean For the sake of the sport I did demean. And since I decided to come clean, It's done wonders for my self esteem. I now play fair--I am a straight arrow, And I've gotten a dinner date With Mia Farrow. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 4:21pm
You did mention at one time that you like to write doggerel. |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 7:41pm
He who can, does. He who can't, teaches. And he who can neither do nor teach, teaches education. I can no longer do. I can't coach anymore either. And teaching education is out (rudimentary math skills). So what's left? Teaming up with my pet beagle Hock to write doggerel to table tennis forums. Yip yip yip yip. Arf arf arf, Woof. Woof woof woof WOOF! Grrrrrrr! Calm down, Hock. Baal's a nice man. He won't hurt you. Hock has had all his shots, is pretty much housebroken, and is really a very gentle doggie. (Hock) Grrr. Pounce. Sound of teeth digging into pants leg. Damn it, Hock, how many times have I told you not to do that? That's wrong, felonious, and even worse than cheating at table tennis, which we both agreed we would no longer do. Sound of a pissed off Hock knocking a lamp off a table. $%@!&*(, m_________, son of a .....!!!!! Hock, you're confined to your doghouse for the rest of the week, and you'll get nothing but Kailin oil until you get your mind right. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 08/22/2015 at 5:05am
As you know, Berndt, the only poems I write are limericks. These are too clean for my taste, but they'll have to do on short notice. :^) When accused of cheatin' at pong Said he, "It's what I've done all along." Whether done with speed glue or a bit of Hai - Fu boosting your sponge just ain't wrong. If you boost on your own you're a cheat. But if Butterfly does it, that's neat! The ITTF you can see loves hip - o - cri - sy. So players break rules to compete. He baked his long pips in the sun and put Haifu oil boost on his sponge. "Sure, I cheat with my rubber. Go whine to your mother. Cuz your serves are not legally done." ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/22/2015 at 8:55am
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Says I, "you've the soul of a poet, And what's more, I hope that you know it." And you use a hardbat 'Cuz that's where it's at. Those who cheat, what they reap They shall sow it. (ass backwards, but who cares; in Arizona, our poetic licenses never expire) ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/22/2015 at 10:30am
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Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/22/2015 at 1:59pm
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Here's one for you Jay, more suitable to your taste and mine: I'm a reprobate table tennis cheater. A booster, foul server, wife beater. But I'm hung like a horse, As a matter of course; With my foot-long baby makin' repeater. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 08/22/2015 at 11:37pm
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Finally, I get to learn from Berndt and Jay some good old American English as used in Table Tennis related context(sssss)... As for cheating, I would rather not have the other guy serve "from hand", or use stuff on his rubbers that makes the ball black. Also, when we play two matches against each other within one hour or less apart, and I win the first one easily 3:0, I will always be "surprised" (or will I...) when we play the second match and the same guy now runs like a rabbit and beats me 3:0... just takes his glasses of from time to time because "too much light is bothering him". It happens...
------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 08/23/2015 at 7:27am
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I play at one location where .. house rules .. allow illegal serves .. some have perfected .. the throw/spin the ball into the paddle .. and the short/quick serves over the table .. I serve legally. ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 08/23/2015 at 7:48am
| Wait what kind of boosting is illegal?I mean tuned rubbers are legal and boosters are also legal right?Otherwise what is with the Chinese.They are known for boosting the sh** out of there rubbers |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 08/23/2015 at 12:25pm
Perfect. A nice little bawdy dance along the line of what might get removed from the forum and what might be allowed. :^) ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 08/23/2015 at 7:10pm
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An old Tusconite with a hardbat Wrote doggerel while wearing a hard hat He wrote with no cares Being fully aware No boosters would sully his hardbat The forum's illustrious Jay Turber Opined there's a line and no further But he keeps from his wife What he does with his life Clipboard limericks would surely disturb her Greg Letts is a man on a mission He repeatedly calls for a Commission Into the whole ITTF It's a terrible mess Frictionless has always been his position |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 08/23/2015 at 8:07pm
------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/23/2015 at 10:08pm
It's four in the morning in Tucson, I can't sleep, but don't stop me, I'm rolling..... He used Falco, Sunmoon, Haifu Oil, On his Hurricane 3 to despoil. But when caught in the act He admitted the fact He's 1216, despite all of this toil. He's a world class player, tut tut. All his serves come from somewhere near his butt. And he boosts and he tunes On mornings, nights and noons. But without these, he'd be in a rut. Can our sport survive without cheating? We'll discuss this at a future AGM meeting. So far it's done well Not totally gone to Hell. So stop all this whinging and bleating! ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 2:54pm
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Good old-fashioned haiku: Smell of coc'nut oil Only five drops per serving Cheating is sweet... ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 4:41pm
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Another haiku. Berndt Mann shivers, whines... "Inverted is forever? Caveat: Not me." |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 4:49pm
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Heated match transpires. Illegal hidden serves vex? Stay cool and read spin. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 4:52pm
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ITTF rules. Invented in a nuthouse? Follow the money. |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 5:06pm
And a darn good good old fashioned haiku it is too, JimT. Just one teensy-weensy problem--your last stanza has four syllables, not five. This is easily correctable. Just add "so" to the last stanza. Thus, "cheating is so sweet''. Ta-da! problem solved. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 5:10pm
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Good stuff, Baal. Boosting, foul serving. Why should we put up with this? Just use a hardbat. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 6:49pm
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Blank verse: And what doth it become a man Who strives to gain the highest prize Through devious means, fair play disdaining? And how well can he sleep o' nights? When conscience calls, no reply receiving. How can he live, virtue bereft? And where to hide, from honor, truth? No vale nor valley can conceal Nor that which vice to virtue pays. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 7:29pm
Baal, you are really good... ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 7:30pm
Sorry English is not my main language so I either didn't understand your sentence or it just sound weird to me.Do you suggest that the rest should boost as well?If so it wouldn't actually give them as much benefits as the Chinese get from it. |
Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 8:29pm
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So we've moved on from doggerel and limericks to haiku and blank verse. Thank heavens and well done! Berndt's reminder of the convention of 17 on (English = syllables) starts us on the path to a deeper critique: are these genuine haiku? Beyond the 17 on we also need kiru, the juxtaposition of two images; haiku demand the "compare and contrast" of "cutting" (kiru) to provide depth and meaning. Jay comes close with "coc'nut oil" vs "cheating". The other major defect is the entire lack of kigo, reference to the seasons. I can't find "sweet" in any saijiki (list of kigo) but "cheating is (so) sweet" is pretty darn close. So, if I was an English teacher (once upon a time) I'd give Berndt and Baal solid pass marks with encouraging words about effort, and Jay goes to the top of the class (no doubt with his clipboard under his arm). Blank verse: Whew! What can I say? This may well be the best thing you've ever posted, Berndt. I applaud both your style and your sentiment. And it's on topic!
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Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 8:33pm
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Thank you ever so much, Tassie52. You are too kind.
------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 8:58pm
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And now, me hearties, a good old fashioned table tennis sea chantey: We'll boost and tune by the light of the moon, With a heave and a ho, me bully bully boys. We'll boost and tune in a June monsoon. With a yo heave ho and a ruddy bum bum. Chorus: With a heave and a ho me bully bully boys, With a yo heave ho and a ruddy bum bum. With a yo heave ho and a haul away Joe, So haul away the track let the bullgine run. We'll boost and tune till the break of dawn. With a heave and a ho me bully bully boys. We'll boost and tune, then we'll play play on. With a yo heave ho and a ruddy bum bum. With a heave and a ho me bully bully boys, With a yo heave ho and a ruddy bum bum. With a yo heave ho and a haul away Joe, So haul away the track let the bullgine run. We'll boost and tune, and we don't give a damn, With a heave and a ho me bully bully boys. We'll boost and tune, then we'll have some Spam. With a yo heave ho and a ruddy bum bum. With a heave and a ho me bully bully boys, With a yo heave ho and a ruddy bum bum. With a yo heave ho and a haul away Joe, So haul away the track let the bullgine run. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 10:42pm
Aaah, TtGold, how goes it? ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/24/2015 at 11:06pm
Tassie, you will note however that when I pointed out that Berndt shivered before he whined, it suggested winter, juxtaposed with possibly a deep loathing. So certainly my verse has an intentional seasonal element in it (perhaps referring time spent in Ohio as opposed to Tucson, or simply Berndt's known horror at what the sport became). Also, there is a distinct contrast, between the universe of inverted rubber users and the caveat that this would never include Berndt. Is there possibly more of a kireji than a word like caveat? I don't think so. I think that one certainly passes the test of haiku-ness. My second effort about the ITTF lacks reference to seasons, again intentional because I find them corrupt and incompetent at all times of the year. A seasonal element in a verse about them might be letting them off the hook. (Also ITTF already has four syllables which completely hoses me  ). There is a contrast between the question "are they crazy?" the impression that some of their BS might suggest and the reality that "they are crazy like a fox and making off like bandits".I liked Berndt's blank verse also.
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Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 08/25/2015 at 1:37am
baal, who spins words so silken for Lausanne bonfires
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Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/25/2015 at 5:55am
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my apologies, baal, who spins words so silken for Lausanne bonfires
Absolutely loved that one. If that ain't true good ole country boy haiku, I don't know what is. Basho Can we foresee, baal, Lausanne bonfires extinguished? Bright fireflies linger. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/25/2015 at 8:33am
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Celluloid is gone A winter of discontent Ball bounces oddly
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/25/2015 at 8:36am
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Sweating hard to win No umpire at the table Left arm not moving
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/25/2015 at 8:39am
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Adham wakes, content They think I'm gone forever Power behind the throne
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Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/25/2015 at 10:45am
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Steve pauses, then serves; Sharp swerving right-left high-toss. Oh s**t, can't read spin. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 08/25/2015 at 2:03pm
You seem to be giving credit to me when it belongs to Jim T. I'm just making simple limericks. I'm happy enough if they just make someone smile - regardless of potential grade. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 08/25/2015 at 5:08pm
Thanks for clearing it up.Now I understand that you just wrote it wrong |