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Topic: Europe Top 16
Posted By: amateur
Subject: Europe Top 16
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 10:57am
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Quarterfinals on Laola1.tv: http://www.laola1.tv/de-at/livestream/2016-02-06-ittf-europe-top-16-cup-table-1" rel="nofollow - http://www.laola1.tv/de-at/livestream/2016-02-06-ittf-europe-top-16-cup-table-1 Monteiro vs Samsonov Apolonia vs Ovtcharov In Portugal. Top 3 qualify for World Cup. |
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Posted By: rui pedro81
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 11:15am
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joao monteiro leading 3-0 against samsonov, lets go joao! ------------- http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47168&KW=feedback+rui&" rel="nofollow - my feedback |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 11:24am
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Monteiro defeated Samsonov 4-0. Wow... that was a bit unexpected, I'd say. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: spec
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 12:01pm
| Oddity of the tournament: In the quarter final match between Shibaev and Steger, the umpire faulted roughly 20 (twenty!) serves of Shibaev, but Shibaev still won 4:3. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 12:28pm
Twenty? I thought it was about 7 or 8... It was amazing to me that Shibaev didn't change the type of his serves, nor made a conscious effort to make them more palatable. Or perhaps he though he did... ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
spec wrote:Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 12:32pm
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When I watch a match like Monteiro - Samsonov, I kinda cringe and ask why Vladi doesn't retire, but then I recall his German Open performance from just a week ago. My guess is that he was just tired - and indeed one week to do two major tournaments is simply not good for a 40-yr old athlete. I guess it means he will not be eligible to play World Cup this year which is a damn shame. He is still one of just a handful of players capable of putting up some real challenge against CNT. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: spec
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 12:43pm
Definitely more than 15, my guess would be approx. 20 of them. The full video on demand will surely be available at laola1 soon, if anyone is interested in counting them. It was a shocking thing to watch. Shibaev even flipped the umpire off at some point and received the red card for it. edit:
I would say Samsonov played pretty good. Remember that Monteiro also beat Ovtcharov yesterday, who's playing an excellent tournament so far. I don't think this means much concerning the World Cup. As far as I know, only the winner of the tournament will be qualified for the World Cup. There will be more opportunities to qualify.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 2:14pm
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In recent times, the top 3 have qualified ans sometimes more. It all depends on the criteria. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 2:29pm
 ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: spec
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 2:49pm
It turns out I was off by a bit. I just counted them (I hope I didn't miss any) and there were: 14 faults in total. Per game: 3 in game 1 1 in game 2 4 in game 3 1 in game 4 3 in game 5 1 in game 6 1 in game 7 The overall pattern is clear: More serves were faulted in odd games than in even games. That's obviously because the umpire who faulted his serves was sitting on the right hand side and could see his serves better during the odd games, when Shibaev was facing her while serving. The other umpire, sitting to the left hand side of the table, didn't fault a single serve.
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 3:18pm
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Haha, Steger is like "this guy is tossing the ball across half the table from the sideline to the centerline, for fuks sake." ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: AgReZz
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 3:20pm
| Lol image if Freitas got his serve faulted 14 times. He would go completely insane calling refs numerous times and stopping playing. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 3:27pm
Ball moving 2.5 feet sideways doesn't necessarily mean the toss was illegal. Basically, umpires are told to watch for the angle of the toss and if it's close to or less than 45 degrees then they should definitely fault the serve. So if it goes vertically, say, 7 feet, and 2.5 feet horizontally then the toss should be considered perfectly legal. However, Shibaev's toss is usually not very high... ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 3:43pm
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" https://youtu.be/-ZprsXHap6s?t=2467" rel="nofollow - No one has faulted me. " - Marcos Freitas with a straight face I feel bad for the referee. How do I get myself out of this sh!7? It is like that Dr Phil show wherein the wife recounts the infidelity of the husband. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: Hautamaeki
Date Posted: 02/06/2016 at 6:38pm
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I was there watching the games, Shibaev was foulted because he was not throwning the ball up enough and with the ball travelling into his body. Fair enough BUT...what about Fegerl, it's ridiculous the amount of serves he hides with the hand, arm, body, throwing ball to the body, incredible... live is even more noticeable.
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Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 02/07/2016 at 1:01pm
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 02/07/2016 at 1:43pm
Shibaev must be on something very rough  |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 02/07/2016 at 1:46pm
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By the way, watching the final, it occurs to me that all of Monteiro's serves are illegal too. Wonderful upward toss and the ball is clearly visible until the moment where he contacts it as it is all covered with his elbow. / lower arm. |
Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 02/07/2016 at 1:59pm
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I have asked many times the same question: WHO is serving LEGAL today ? |
Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 02/07/2016 at 2:08pm
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 02/07/2016 at 2:35pm
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A good one with the jersey, thanks |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/07/2016 at 5:16pm
------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 02/07/2016 at 5:28pm
Good examples. To me, Samsonov serves perfectly. ------------- BTY Viscaria 90g DHS Hurricane 3 NEO, 39/2.1 BTY Tenergy 05 1.9 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62263" rel="nofollow - My Feedbacks |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 02/07/2016 at 5:32pm
| Ovtcharov's serves are legal too. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/08/2016 at 2:33am
Ovtcharov's arm placement on his FH pendulum serves can be sketchy. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: spec
Date Posted: 02/08/2016 at 4:56am
Sadly, this isn't true anymore. He has a new serve which is clearly illegal. See below. And yep, that's how he won his game against Ma Long during the German Open. With an illegal serve. It's a sad state of affairs.  |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 02/08/2016 at 6:15am
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I agree. Somehow all of the players have become desperate about gaining control right from the start and even those who had a clean serve before have started to throw in hidden serves, some more often than others. Unfortunately Samsonov too. |
Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 02/08/2016 at 6:20am
Sorry for misunderstanding, Next Level! I just asked who among the forum members is serving legal, because it is well accepted Pro's are not... |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 02/08/2016 at 7:05am
| I do |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/08/2016 at 7:37am
Samsonov has always had that serve and I tell people all the time that the basic pendulum serve is a dubious serve especially when the toss is high as the traditional body orientation is designed to hide the serve. I think Samsonov tends to use that serve when he is tired of dealing with someone whose serve isn't being called. That said, I can imagine the receiver having a better view of that serve than the camera shows. That is my experience. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 02/08/2016 at 8:54am
TWO MORE SERVICE KEEPERS SHALL HELP OUT.  Yes, Tossing the ball longway enough would oftentimes completely redeem for not-verticality of the toss. See the scheme 10.3.2 INCIDENTALLY. FOR YOUR BETTER INFORMATION. BADMINTON "SERVICE KEEPERS". Badminton game employs a head umpire and two assistant umpires "SERVICE KEEPERS" on both sides of the net whose primarily job is looking for the service illegalities. ThE service keeper empowered to issue a service penalty on his own, without consulting the head umpire. You can rarely see any service violence with badminton players. Good police will secure a good discipline, you know. Table tennis needs the service keepers so much. Yes. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 02/08/2016 at 9:51am
My serve is so legal that my opponents come to me after the matches and ask me why I don't serve "better".  ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Snakefish
Date Posted: 02/08/2016 at 3:29pm
Totally uckin Unacceptable!!!!!!!  These players acting as if they are not knowingly using illegal serves. Utter disrespect for TT and its rules. Poor role models for young TT players And the International Umpires are good for shite. ------------- Andro Treiber Z - fl FH: Tibhar MX-D max BH: Tibhar Quantum ProX-blue,max |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 02/08/2016 at 8:48pm
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THE SLACK WIT, DROWSY PERSON OVER 70 y.o. IS A MOCKERY OF UMPIRE. For badminton events, an olderman can't act as umpire if past the age 65. And the Tennis umpire cant do in the field if past 60. Socker Football, Ice Chockey -- age 50 is the expire date for the umpire in field. Table tennis is practically the world's ONLY sport (except for the Classic Chess) that did formulated no requirements upon the umpire's age allowance. Those infirm people over 70 now all admitted to hold the chief umpire's position in the field. Not good for our sport. So many drowsy oldermen and olderwimen well past 70, they will now mostly take the head position throughout the sport. Some sheer absurdity. WE NEED A KEENSIGHTED, NIMBL MAN FOR DOING THE UMPIRE'S JOB. Pinpong is known to be the fastest sport ever, and it would take a most nimbl, responsive person to control the game. Those sleepy olderman can't do the job well. Sheer absurdity. |
Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 02/09/2016 at 6:34am
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Fundamental change in tt is needed! I know for cases myself at international competitions where umpires were just sleeping and waiting their 100 years anniversary. Igor is correct here - for the fastest sport with ball ....Umpires are the slowest. When I played at tournament in Australia 11 years ago - one of my basic Umpires by luck was 82 years old. And he was not the elder on the tournament. I have big respect to elder people, but many laws are limited for them in the life, car-license, work with another machines and so on. Why these old people to be allowed to lead matches they can't by physical reason? Their eyes are not so fast at these years. I had conversation year ago with an old person around 60 y.o who is often said during rallies: Oh, I didn't see the ball, sorry! And that man told me if he gets pension soon he will go to be a professional umpire for tt! God... As people have not clear value on their skills (no matter umpires or players with hidden serving) I am offering video control. Twice catch in fault - 1 year punishment out of any ITTF competition. Then we will be able to watch very nice table tennis, really. At the finals will be not so skilled, but honest players.  |
Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 02/09/2016 at 6:49am
Tell them next time: "Well, I am looking to play table-tennis, not jiji-biji" |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 02/09/2016 at 2:14pm
Definitely agree. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 02/09/2016 at 2:19pm
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As for service legality, they are all just trying to win, its their living, the rules are for the umpires, if they are not strict enough the blame is with them, not the players, and ultimately down to the ITTF. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: Snakefish
Date Posted: 02/09/2016 at 3:10pm
You gotta be kidding??????? "the rules are for the umpires" Read that over to yourself 10 times. OK, the rules are for the umpires to interpenetrate and enforce, the rules are made by the ITTF, if they are so ambiguous that players can exploit them to their advantage, then they will. The trouble is, there is no point of '16cm throw up' that can be accurately measured by an umpire, or 'contact must be seen by the receiver' or angle of throw back that cannot be accurately measured. So in any of these rules,at what point in the scope of variation is illegality measured? ------------- Andro Treiber Z - fl FH: Tibhar MX-D max BH: Tibhar Quantum ProX-blue,max |