Umpire Yellow & red Card together
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Topic: Umpire Yellow & red Card together
Posted By: rosecitytt
Subject: Umpire Yellow & red Card together
Date Posted: 10/18/2016 at 12:00am
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Ding Ning -2012 Gold match incidence, conflict with International Umpire Bongelli. Case re-examined!! |
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/18/2016 at 5:44am
| I don't like to relitigate things but that umpire made herself the center of attention in an Olympic final. I think it was a case study in what not to do. |
Posted By: ameetnsharma
Date Posted: 10/18/2016 at 6:48am
Hmmm... I disagree. From what I saw in the video, the umpire made the right call. Ding Ning's service was illegal, plus she was really pushing it with the towel breaks. The umpire has to maintain control. ------------- Get to the chopper! |
Baal wrote:Posted By: assam
Date Posted: 10/18/2016 at 6:58am
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I really think the umpire could choose another path. As far as I can see that serve was not that short as she was saying. You can see that on replay. |
Posted By: ameetnsharma
Date Posted: 10/18/2016 at 7:17am
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Ok, watching the rest of the match, I also have questions about the umpire's calls: Why the call at 8:10? Was it because the toss wasn't straight up or not high enough? And why at 17:20? ------------- Get to the chopper! |
Posted By: assam
Date Posted: 10/18/2016 at 7:46am
| I guess the umpire wanted to be the star of the game |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 10/18/2016 at 8:52pm
Didn't Ding Ning receive warning and/or faults from other umpires in previous matches for the same thing? If so, then this seems more like a case study of what players should not do. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: tt-panopticum
Date Posted: 10/19/2016 at 11:49am
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This one, with original comentary, IMO gives a much better impression of the situation. All the "educational" rosecitytt bubbles I've seen seem to be made for the "nightmare" sort of umpires  - just my personal opinion of course.
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Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 10/19/2016 at 1:41pm
Yes. A better impression, including the confusion over what was actually being called. The announcer seems to think she was faulted for "not vertical." I think the fault was for not tossing from a stationary hand. He also thought she hot a red/yellow card for asking about the serve. I think otherwise. I think it was for delaying play - something she had been previously warned about. This is an example of what happens when the de facto tradition of not calling certain faults runs into a situation where an umpire decides to enforce the de jure (actual) rules. What was her motivation for actually enforcing the rules when that is not the standard? I have no idea. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 10/19/2016 at 1:48pm
Kind of my impression also, to be honest. |
Posted By: ameetnsharma
Date Posted: 10/19/2016 at 2:06pm
The umpire should clarify this type of thing. Or we need much more sophisticated hand gestures from umpires to clarify exactly what rule is being enforced. ------------- Get to the chopper! |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 10/19/2016 at 2:20pm
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Also, as I remember, this was around the time when the refs were making attempts to crack down on illegal stuff, and many players were being called on serves throughout the world tour, etc. Ironically, in the last few years serves have become even more illegal.
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Posted By: ameetnsharma
Date Posted: 10/19/2016 at 2:25pm
Problem is lack of consistency, and lack of clarity on what they're being called on for exactly. ------------- Get to the chopper! |
Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 10/19/2016 at 3:37pm
| Note that Ding Ning had been issued a yellow card before the yellow/red combo when she took too long (about 2 seconds more than Li X) to return to the table at the start of one of the games. Also note that most announcers were not on site and were using a video feed from London. What made it confusing for the announcers and viewers was that the video feed did not show the first yellow so the yellow/red seemed to be the first instance of any card shown by the umpire but was, in fact, the second time the umpire showed Ding Ning a card. |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 10/19/2016 at 5:56pm
It's probably too late to relitigate things; I suspect that the statute of limitations for umpire malfeasance has long since run out. It might not be a bad idea, however, for players such as Ding to have a lawyer who specializes in table tennis law present at every match, most particularly at an Olympic final. Then, should she get double carded again, she could plead her case with the help of counsel to her peers (Liu Xiaoxia, Zhang Yining, Deng Yaping). An Olympic final is far too important a match not to have a lawyer present should some arrogant umpire card you for doing what you are not supposed to do.
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Posted By: kuifje
Date Posted: 10/20/2016 at 7:39am
| For what it's worth: the main commentator in the video is Matthew Syed, a former England player who had a world ranking of about 25 or so in the late 90s. |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 11/05/2016 at 8:25am
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She turnt up on ding ding. -------------  "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: rosecitytt
Date Posted: 11/30/2016 at 6:01pm
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But if Umpire Paola is controversial, why she re-appeared in this (2016) gold match after 4 years.... (is it intentional by ITTF when they see DingNing?)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66ffqaGn788------------- Darker Speed OEM 10mm Jpen FH:Beijing Swords RPB:Tenergy 05 2.1 |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/30/2016 at 10:02pm
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Well there is no doubt she is controversial, people still argue about whether she was appropriate. As in this thread, for example, where there is not an unanimous opinion. |
Posted By: penholderxxx
Date Posted: 11/30/2016 at 10:36pm
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Am I drunk or what ? Are you sure that is ms beautiful Paola in the picture ? And I think she did not umpire the women single final match. penholderxxx ------------- Iloveplayingtabletennis |
Posted By: rosecitytt
Date Posted: 12/01/2016 at 7:24am
Might want to check what you were drinking. Yeah,ur not drunk. Umpire Paola is gone, this is Umpire Isabelle for Women gold. ------------- Darker Speed OEM 10mm Jpen FH:Beijing Swords RPB:Tenergy 05 2.1 |