Please teach me how to spin/loop easily
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Topic: Please teach me how to spin/loop easily
Posted By: Nicko
Subject: Please teach me how to spin/loop easily
Date Posted: 08/30/2006 at 1:40pm
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I play most of the time far from the table, and tend to chop and chop, when i get high ball then i may be able to smash the ball but i have a hard time to spin cos i really think that having a good defense is good, but u can't win game if u just defense and wait for high ball right??? Please teach me the easy way to spin, excluding multiball training... Thanx all |
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Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 08/30/2006 at 3:54pm
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I dont think there is any easy way out, it all comes down to practise. Some people (I am one of them) says it al in your wrist, others say that you shouldnt use the wrist at all. Keypoint is; the longer you have contact between the rubber and the ball, the more spin you will be able to produce... ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: YATTP
Date Posted: 08/30/2006 at 5:33pm
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The amount of spin is 90% handspeed (i.e. a combination of leg power, arm and shoulder power and wrist speed (if you don't use speed glue wrist is not that important).
The last 10% is how much speed glue you use. Rubbers and blades are not really important. The main problem is to get to the point where you can use your full strength in perfect coordination and with perfect timing of the individual body parts. The only way to get to this point is years of training. |
Posted By: Alexm
Date Posted: 08/30/2006 at 7:01pm
Actually I think it is a viable strategy. If you can chop whatever topspins are coming at you, then your opponent will eventually start to miss topspins or push balls back for you to smash. But you need a good footwork and a lot of stamina to play that style. |
Nicko wrote:Posted By: O! Ju Qian
Date Posted: 08/30/2006 at 7:58pm
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For those who have practiced many times can still experience problems with looping. Sometimes you have to think more than you practice like how you understand the importance of defense. ------------- BL: Yasaka Extra Offensive CP FH: Hurricane 3 Pro BH: Tenergy 05 "Practice is USELESS if you don't understand what you are doing." |
Posted By: Zmeflyby
Date Posted: 08/30/2006 at 8:30pm
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using your wrist is important even though you do not speed glue. It is all about the technique and style you play. ------------- Blades: KLS and KL Rubbers: Sriver 2.1 FH Sriver 2.1 EL BH Trackfire special 2.1 FH Trackfire special 2.1 BH |
Posted By: TT_Freak
Date Posted: 08/31/2006 at 4:33am
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Most people neglect to use adequate waist, the arm really should only be an extension of the power produced from the waist and legs until the coordination is good enough to add arm in without affecting the consistancy. ------------- Violin F1 Actor 10g at 3 and 9 10g at 12 20g at the end of handle |
Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 08/31/2006 at 6:27am
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Watch Timo in his "opening loop". You have it all. Bend your knees, let the ball descend a bit, brush it softly from bottom to top with a fast wrist stroke. Tip : direct it to your oponent elbow otherwise, against a good counter looper or hitter, you might suffer...Ah, I was forgotting the main part of it, get prepared to the next stroke as spinny loops mostly drive you to start rallying in good position. Scheers. ------------- Joola Wyzaryz Freeze Vega pro 2.0mm Vega intro 2.0mm Blade collection : https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9" rel="nofollow - https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9 |
Posted By: YATTP
Date Posted: 09/02/2006 at 6:43pm
| Boll's technique is very extreme - even for European players. I don't know weather it is really good to try to learn Boll's topspin technique - especially because of the speed glue ban in 2008. Without speed glue the European topspin style will be very much inferior to the classical Chinese power loop style I suppose. |
Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 09/05/2006 at 4:43am
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Forgott to mention it earlier, try catching the ball after its peak. By bending your knees you can go reall low down and strike the ball upwards, this gives you a longer contact which hopefully gives you more spin. Bending the knees are so much more important than people think, it took my looping game to a new level once I realized it. ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: Nicko
Date Posted: 09/05/2006 at 12:06pm
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Do u think we can also loop well with short pimps?i saw several players may be able to loop with pimps...btw my blade is primorac carbon off +, Tibhar Torpedo FH, dawei 388-b1 BH. Do u think that the comabination is good enough to make a loop or topspin?Especially of course for FH.. |
Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 09/05/2006 at 3:26pm
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Whow, whow, playing a carbon off+ blade, that must be fast as that very warm place you go to if you dont behave... Guess that it will decrease the dwell time which makes it harder to loop. Looping with SP is possible, I am a living proof of that. I play 802-1 once and I while and I loop with it. But, to be fair, I think that most inverted rubbers (not anti) will be much better for looping then any SP you can find. ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: alfie
Date Posted: 09/05/2006 at 3:44pm
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personally I would watch as many Kong videos as possible,trying to play like Boll is a bit like trying to do Kreangas BH imo ------------- Blade Xiom Control 3/ALL+ BH Andro impuls speed FH H3 Provincial Tibhar CTE |
Posted By: the_ownage
Date Posted: 09/10/2006 at 7:09am
u noe wat i suck at looping. i snap my wrist pretty quickly but still it doesn't graze the ball much
BH:Hurricane 3 FH: Donic Desto F1 |
Posted By: sluskas
Date Posted: 09/10/2006 at 1:23pm
I give always topspin below the table with my racket movement from my legs to my head, with much spin i do that with slice 40 1.5 mm on forehand, nut i try to give fast topspin now because if they block i must give a fast one ------------- Donic Defplay Senso FH:Donic Slice 40 1.5mm BH:Donic Slice 40 1.2mm str�dl |
Posted By: the_ownage
Date Posted: 09/11/2006 at 5:19am
could please tell me specificly the action while looping. like the u use ur wrist first???
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Posted By: TT_Freak
Date Posted: 09/12/2006 at 5:51am
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Waist and legs mostly, shoulders as well if you're a penholder. Try not to use your arm too much at this stage since the less fine motor groups used, the more consistant the shot will be (ie, almost the same blade angle as when hitting). ------------- Violin F1 Actor 10g at 3 and 9 10g at 12 20g at the end of handle |
Posted By: ljcii
Date Posted: 09/19/2006 at 3:50am
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do not snap ur wrist or somethign i do a spinny loop by getting low and not moving ur arm at all and then push upwardwith ur leg and waist. the degree of ur bat should be adjusted to the spin or height of the ball
eg if the ball is low, u gotta push urself higher and the ball is higher u still gotta crouch but no arm movement at all if u juz want spin |
Posted By: lion
Date Posted: 09/19/2006 at 8:45am
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I think that the comments about Timo Boll are not correct. I find his technique much easier to copy than Wang Liqin's or Kong Linghui's. Or maybe not easier but much more spinny and consistant (therefore for me much more satisfactory). And that's with chinese rubbers not speed glued.
By the way I think the forehand loop of both Kreanga and Kong are the same. Has anyone else noticed this as well? ------------- Blade: Pimorac f/h: Mendo MP b/h: Mendo MP normal glue |
Posted By: the_ownage
Date Posted: 10/11/2006 at 4:36am
so i shouldnt use my arm and wrist as much?
Blade: Stiga Optimum Plus BH: Donic Desto F1 FH: Stiga Magna |
Posted By: ryu seungminfan
Date Posted: 10/11/2006 at 11:26am
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yeah. agreed. dun use your arm at all. relax your arm as much as possible. your arm is like a snake. not quite possible to use arm and make a shot consistent unless you have really good form that day. use your leg. kick your leg forward when you leg forward.(important!!!!!!!!!!!!leg is a very important part in looping) second thing is to use your waist. turn your waist quickly for more power. relax your arm, leg your legs and waist do the job. u will realise your hand will follow through. it's just like a rope. you will get power and spin ------------- blade:kokutaku super rubber:xiom omega 3 right hander nothing without labour |
Posted By: the_ownage
Date Posted: 10/12/2006 at 10:42pm
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o i get it now
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Posted By: Harold
Date Posted: 10/14/2006 at 9:21am
| Just continue to improve on your basics, looping will come naturally. |
Posted By: goldberg
Date Posted: 10/14/2006 at 10:11am
lol...same with me bro 
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