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Topic: 1st rule of EJing
Posted By: mog1111
Subject: 1st rule of EJing
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 5:02am
As a recovering EJ;

Its a 12 step programme
The first step is admitting you are an EJ.....

I have been an EJ on and off for a few years. If you are going to test different equipment, make sure you do at the same venue using the same balls and table.
Otherwise different venues and balls or tables could be having a big effect on how you feel it is going.

Its the only scientific way to get a proper reading of what is going on.

I have just ordered my 15th new blade of the last 2 years.
Hopefully it will be the last.

Stiga Allround Evolution!

But what if its too slow????????????



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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 5:39am
Then try a Stiga Allround Classic Carbon, just a tiny bit faster.
The possibilities are nearly endless...
Seriously, if you want to quit EJing and your setup is too slow, just hit harder!

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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 5:46am
tried a stiga allround classic carbon, thought it was horrible no feeling, might as well of used a frying pan

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Posted By: player87
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 6:09am
go for Virtuoso -

Should be enough.


Posted By: CraneStyle
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 6:39am
1st Rule of EJing:

Current setup not working - Ignore all opinions and reviews and buy something new to help...

Yes, it's an epidemic...

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Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 9:12am
If its too slow get a Vituoso, Acoustic or maybe Korbel? If that is too slow Virtuoso + or maybe a 7 ply if the V+ doesn't work out ? Maybe a light weight Clipper? Maybe an innerforce blade? Composite will help stability and won't have so much feedback plus a larger sweet spot. I love my Apolonia ZLC.... hahahahahahahaha

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Posted By: MindTrip
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 9:13am
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:



Stiga Allround Evolution!

But what if its too slow????????????



That's what I thought at first. It's actually too fast for me with two T05s attached. It is probably the overall weight of the assembled racket. Alternatively, Viscaria and Freitas play a little slower with the same rubber. I bought the Evolution looking for better feeling in my push game, which I got. Looping with the Evo is unreal. So much power and spin.

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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 9:15am
I think I will like, im coming down a notch hopefully from a Tibhar stratus power wood.   Stratus is a wonderful blade but a notch too stiff and fast.



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Posted By: Fulanodetal
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 9:18am
What was wrong with your Primorac Carbon?

You mentioned plating at the same venue, etc, etc....I would also add, to try and play against the same player/players, as much as possible. That way you remove that variable as well.

I was never an EJ, and I always felt like my playing had drastically deteriorated when playing with a new blade. And it took almost two months to get used to all the quirks of the new setup, sometimes more. So glad I have settled.

FdT


Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 9:25am
I've been EJing for years

I make my own paddles so my excuse is I have to try them.
And try to get rubbers to match.

Most times i go thru a 2 oz bottle of tear mender every other week.

I have blades that do what no other blade does.
Most times its fun sometimes it's not.

I usually carry 4 or 5 blades to the club every time.

Changing so often obviously hinders consistent play but what are the alternatives.

 




Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 9:26am
I see no hint of recovery.


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 9:47am
I EJ without remorse. Cheaper than buying cars.

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Posted By: Simon_plays
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 11:06am
I would love to EJ more but there just isn't enough playing time to get truly familiar with different blade and rubber combinations. 


Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 11:10am
Second rule is: when you reach to a decent level, you need consistency, then you will keep only one setup.
EJ end!


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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 11:14am
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

I see no hint of recovery.


no i'm going to use this blade for 2 months at least before I make a decision

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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 11:16am
think its too late for me to reach a decent level.

having said that I am now 46, and I could not loop until I got to the age of about 44 and had to practice with my children and listened to there coaches

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 11:51am
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

think its too late for me to reach a decent level.

having said that I am now 46, and I could not loop until I got to the age of about 44 and had to practice with my children and listened to there coaches


No wonder you change equipment so much. And no wonder you are so stubborn when people tell you to stop. And you kinda lied when you said you used the same equipment for many years without pointing out you didn't know how to loop when you did.

I had the same experience when I started playing years ago. Today, I EJ because it is cheaper than buying cars, not because I am under any illusion it will make me play better.

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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 12:01pm
Next Level

why did I kind of lie? do you mean because I did not say I could not loop until 3 years ago.

I did use Sammy alpha and Mendo and Rapid for a long time.

But it is true I was very upright and used to drive almost everything off the bounce, I think you mean this bit where I kind of lied.

I am going to stop Ejing though, although it is probable at some point I will go to lp on one side of the blade

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BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 12:02pm
to be honest I do sort of like ejing sometimes too, it is fun too try different equipment sometimes


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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
FH: Tenergy 05fx
BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

Next Level

why did I kind of lie? do you mean because I did not say I could not loop until 3 years ago.

I did use Sammy alpha and Mendo and Rapid for a long time.

But it is true I was very upright and used to drive almost everything off the bounce, I think you mean this bit where I kind of lied.

I am going to stop Ejing though, although it is probable at some point I will go to lp on one side of the blade

Yes - you haven't played long enough with anything to know your stroke yet so everything feels different and special.


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Posted By: obesechopper
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I EJ without remorse. Cheaper than buying cars.

I've got so many blades and crap now, I consider myself more of a collector than an Ej'er! 

I knew a guy who had gone through about 800 different ones he claimed... I saw about 90 that he had left. 


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 12:40pm
I played with JRE and 05fx both sides for about 6 months, this coincided with me getting better at/learning to loop

that was 2 years ago been messing about since then

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BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

tried a stiga allround classic carbon, thought it was horrible no feeling, might as well of used a frying pan

I was kidding, I just selected the next higher blade in the Stiga speed ranking Big smile


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Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 3:48pm
I used to own quite a few blades, and just recently I went ahead and sold ... every.. single ... one.. of.. them, except my main one. Boy was it tough :) I do have a backup blade, new in the box, sitting and waiting just in case, but I don't think I'll need it anytime soon.
My new setup is definitely "40+" ready and instead of wasting money on the blades I now spend money on the lessons :)    




Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 4:03pm
Going Tonight with 5 blades to try

I find i can get used to almost any combination within a game
Because I've tried so many.

Exciting to try


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 5:10pm
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

tried a stiga allround classic carbon, thought it was horrible no feeling, might as well of used a frying pan

I was kidding, I just selected the next higher blade in the Stiga speed ranking Big smile


Im too sensitive

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BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 7:35pm
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

think its too late for me to reach a decent level.

having said that I am now 46, and I could not loop until I got to the age of about 44 and had to practice with my children and listened to there coaches


I used to loose against a 70x and he could not loop or move when I was 20x and my level was about 2300-2400.

I am over 35 now but I don't have to loop or move to beat some youngsters

WHY MUST BE LOOP???


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 7:59pm
My first rule of being an ej- "it is better to be an ej than do drugs."

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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 8:03pm
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

I am going to stop Ejing though, although it is probable at some point I will go to lp on one side of the blade
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That will open a new door for EJing, because there are so many different LP rubbers available - some are OX while others with sponge.  Sooner or later, you will be able to find a LP rubber that you like.


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Posted By: Crowsfeather
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 10:22pm
-buy first, regret later.

-money !!

-use your heart not your brain.


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I'm no longer an EJ and I'm proud .


Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 1:02am
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

My first rule of being an ej- "it is better to be an ej than do drugs."

Probably true, but bear in mind what Frewheelin' Frank Freakears of Gilbert Shelton's Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers had to say on the subject of drugs:  "Drugs will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no drugs".


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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 1:40am
More broadly, "only change one thing at a time".  If you are testing out rubbers, compare them on the same kind of blade.  If you are testing blades, use the same rubber.  Amazing how often people don't do this.


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 3:07am
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

My first rule of being an ej- "it is better to be an ej than do drugs."


that's what I tell my kids, well at least I don't go to the pub every night

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BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 3:07am
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

More broadly, "only change one thing at a time".  If you are testing out rubbers, compare them on the same kind of blade.  If you are testing blades, use the same rubber.  Amazing how often people don't do this.


yes this is the second law of EJing

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Posted By: Knuckle Ball
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 3:08am
I think about all my friends who stick to only one setup for so many years for the lack of funds to buy new gear; and how easily these people can beat me cause they "stuck" with their equipment.

While I have acquired and sold or gave away about 20 blades and countless rubbers in the past 4 years. Cry
Now I'm down to just 4 favorite blades 2 wood and 2 carbon and yet my game still suck. Cry


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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 3:13am
the 2 best players I know locally use the same blade they have for the last 30 years.

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BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 10:27am
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

More broadly, "only change one thing at a time".  If you are testing out rubbers, compare them on the same kind of blade.  If you are testing blades, use the same rubber.  Amazing how often people don't do this.


yes this is the second law of EJing


Actually your first rule is just a special case of my more general rule.  But yes it is the second rule.  The first rule is "don't be an EJ".


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 12:28pm
Baal where is the like button?


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 3:50pm
If your plan is to find a racket that better suits your playing style, try this for EJ-ing on a budget:
  1. decide what you don't like about your current racket
  2. get information: talk to your coach/other players, test their rackets, read reviews, ask
  3. choose a next racket (blade + rubbers)
  4. whenever possible trade, don't buy
  5. assemble your new racket
  6. compare your new racket to the previous
  7. decide which racket to keep
  8. iterate from the beginning and sell/trade use blade/rubbers of the racket you decided not to keep
In this way you'll never own more than 2 blades and 4 rubbers at any given time.
I managed to do so for a while, then things got a bit out of control and I decided to stop.

If you EJ out of curiosity or are a collector, then the method does not apply and you may need professional help to quit. Big smile




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Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 4:21pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

More broadly, "only change one thing at a time".  If you are testing out rubbers, compare them on the same kind of blade.  If you are testing blades, use the same rubber.  Amazing how often people don't do this.


yes this is the second law of EJing


Actually your first rule is just a special case of my more general rule.  But yes it is the second rule.  The first rule is "don't be an EJ".

No.  That's the first rule of Table Tennis.  ;^)



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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 6:04pm
well the allround evolution felt wonderful in first practice with el-s on fh.
not sure about H3-50 on bh.
allround evolution for me was more consistent and stable than TSPW, I think clearly EL-S is a more stable rubber than Tenergy though too.

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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 8:19pm
Shall we make 3 laws of EJing a la Newton's three laws of motion?

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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 10:30pm
Or the three laws of thermodynamics.

1. You can't win.
2. You can't even break even except at absolute zero.
3. There is no such thing as absolute zero.


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/17/2017 at 3:57am
Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Shall we make 3 laws of EJing a la Newton's three laws of motion?


I was going to write out twelve complete steps, but got bored so just wrote one and went and looked at some blade and rubber reviews instead.

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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 05/17/2017 at 4:33am
My first rule - always start at the bottom of the myTT index page, and then work your way up.

Am I doing this right?


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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/17/2017 at 5:51am
personally I always start at the top

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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/24/2017 at 9:40am
So I have used the stiga allround evolution and nothing else for a whole week now.
I have used el-s on my fh for over a week now and nothing else.

hmmmm! backhand

hurricane 3-50
yasaka rising dragon
hurricane 3 neo
hurricane 3 2.0mm (I really like this on my stratus but awful on the SAE)
hurricane 3 neo

wow table tennis equipment is annoying!

I guess you could say im 2/3rds there


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BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/25/2017 at 5:38am
back to ejing, the trouble is wither a slower more controllable set up, is your opponent has slower more controllable balls to deal with.

back to the stratus, the search continues.

can anyone recommend a good carbon blade, not too fast.
what would be a modern joola rossi emotion?
carbon and off- but controllable

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Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 05/25/2017 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

back to ejing, the trouble is wither a slower more controllable set up, is your opponent has slower more controllable balls to deal with.


Sounds reasonable in theory, but in actual matches I notice three things.

1) A slow blade can hit fast.  It just requires a bit more effort and or better technique.

2) In the 2000 rating and below categories, I see far more points lost than I see points won. Or to put it in tennis terms, I see few winners and and many unforced errors.

3) Off-speed balls can be as hard to deal with as can ripped, spinny, loops - especially if off-speed balls are placed well. 

So as a practical matter, I think most players are better served by playing a more controlled and less aggressive game using a slower racket.
Of course, this is operating on the narrow assumption that winning is the top priority.  I realize that for some, that is not the case.


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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/25/2017 at 3:06pm
I think I want to stop worrying about winning. Hit the ball really hard and fast and have a bit of exercise and take it less seriously.

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BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 05/25/2017 at 3:49pm
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

I think I want to stop worrying about winning. Hit the ball really hard and fast and have a bit of exercise and take it less seriously.

Ah.  Then you want a slow blade. It makes you work harder to hit hard.  Better exercise.  :^)



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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 05/25/2017 at 3:55pm
Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

back to ejing, the trouble is wither a slower more controllable set up, is your opponent has slower more controllable balls to deal with.


Sounds reasonable in theory, but in actual matches I notice three things.

1) A slow blade can hit fast.  It just requires a bit more effort and or better technique.

2) In the 2000 rating and below categories, I see far more points lost than I see points won. Or to put it in tennis terms, I see few winners and and many unforced errors.

3) Off-speed balls can be as hard to deal with as can ripped, spinny, loops - especially if off-speed balls are placed well. 

So as a practical matter, I think most players are better served by playing a more controlled and less aggressive game using a slower racket.
Of course, this is operating on the narrow assumption that winning is the top priority.  I realize that for some, that is not the case.
To be fair, I had a Korbel that was 95g and I found it to be really slow, even with Tenergy on both sides. As you said, it depends on your level, but also your playing style - blockers and counter attackers can handle stiffer, faster blades more so than spin oriented loopers.


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Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 05/25/2017 at 4:03pm
Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

To be fair, I had a Korbel that was 95g and I found it to be really slow, even with Tenergy on both sides. As you said, it depends on your level, but also your playing style - blockers and counter attackers can handle stiffer, faster blades more so than spin oriented loopers.

Yes.  My point is a generalization. I think it applies to most players, but certainly not to all of them.


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Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 05/25/2017 at 4:43pm
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

I think I want to stop worrying about winning. Hit the ball really hard and fast and have a bit of exercise and take it less seriously.

Not a bad option, mog1111.  But if you really want some exercise practice chopping fh and bh, having to slide side to side, dash up and back, feather back short pushes and drop shots, staying in a point for 15-20 shots (which used to be the norm), and stepping in to cream any weak or unexpectedly high topspin your opponent gives you.  A point is a point is a point.  The ball doesn't care.  Let your opponent commit suicide.  This can be psychologically satisfying, plus you don't have to hit the ball really hard all the time.

Unfortunately, with today's turbocharged rubbers, this way to play, once the style of champions with cigarette busting control, has become as extinct as a passenger pigeon.  But if you still want a bit of exercise and don't care too much whether you win or lose, by all means have a go.  You can still hit the ball hard and fast, and even the loopiest looper will give you a bunny to crush every now and then.




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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/25/2017 at 4:48pm
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

I think I want to stop worrying about winning. Hit the ball really hard and fast and have a bit of exercise and take it less seriously.


And you think this is what a faster blade does for you I suppose. Only if you play off the table. Close to the table you need something slower to hit the ball harder unless you block. Also, remember that the faster you release the ball, the faster it comes back at you and the less time you have to reset. This is one of the reasons why many lower rated players struggle with faster blades vs better players, they don't recover fast enough no matter what they use. Faster often means faster vs topspin, slower vs backspin.

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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/25/2017 at 7:04pm
yes I get that, but I need something sharp enough so when I take the ball early I feel like its moving fast enough. im not worried about reaction time. once the glue had dried and the euphoria of new equipment wore off on the sae I did not like the feel of how it played. I blocked too much and had to hit too hard somehow.

I enjoyed the sharp feel of the rossi emotion a year or two back which is as you know carbon but not too fast.
im only thinking wsc or something in that ball park not primorac carbon

I used to take the ball early and drive, I can loop a bit but im not good enough so I feel to play to my strengths and improve my weakness a good feeling off- ish carbon blade will make me feel good when im playing. im 47 I should compete with vets not juniors and this feels the way forward

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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
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BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: iamj8
Date Posted: 05/27/2017 at 9:00am
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

My first rule of being an ej- "it is better to be an ej than do drugs."

These are the words I live by.

mog1111, have you tried the Stiga Clipper Wood?  I've been switching back and forth between two blades (a 7-ply carbon and a 5-ply all wood) I own but relentlessly researching other blades in pursuit of something 'better'.  Eventually I just decided on the Clipper since it took generic qualities (dwell of all wood, some 'sturdiness' of a 7-ply) I liked in both.

I figured if it's good enough for majority of players it's good enough for me.  It also has a very reasonable price tag. LOL

I haven't had much time to play with it but so far so good.


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A version of Hurricane 3
A version of Tenergy
A Stiga blade...


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/27/2017 at 1:26pm
I tried a clipper clone and a samsanov force pro but they don't quite seem to be for me, but both good blades and I can see why people like them

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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
FH: Tenergy 05fx
BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: Knuckle Ball
Date Posted: 05/29/2017 at 4:10am
Be sure your wife does not find out!

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Blade: Rosewood NCT V
FH: Dignics 05 Black
BH: Moristo SP Red


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/29/2017 at 6:05am


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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
FH: Tenergy 05fx
BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/29/2017 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by Knuckle Ball Knuckle Ball wrote:

Be sure your wife does not find out!


My x once said "you love table tennis more than me". Obviously I did the decent thing and lied!

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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
FH: Tenergy 05fx
BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 05/29/2017 at 8:41pm
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

Originally posted by Knuckle Ball Knuckle Ball wrote:

Be sure your wife does not find out!


My x once said "you love table tennis more than me". Obviously I did the decent thing and lied!


I showed this to my wife and she accused me of being mog1111

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Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 05/29/2017 at 10:26pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

More broadly, "only change one thing at a time".  If you are testing out rubbers, compare them on the same kind of blade.  If you are testing blades, use the same rubber.  Amazing how often people don't do this.
Sure. 
But changing more than one variable is a way to achieve the perfect setup with minimal number of equipment combinations Wink. Otherwise, one would have to test at least 20 rubbers on at least 10 of his/her blades (not to mention rubber different thickness and blade different weights and handle styles that may eventually appear to be more tempting) = > 200 setups, easily.
By selectively picking the experiments and assuming that there is no additional blade-rubber correlation we reduce the expenditures... later, we have to ask a smarter colleague for advice anyways.


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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 06/04/2017 at 5:36pm
Ejing is over I believe. WSC is fantastic stiff enough and flexy enough to do what I want.
great blocks pushes and loops

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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
FH: Tenergy 05fx
BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: pgpg
Date Posted: 06/04/2017 at 10:07pm
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

Ejing is over I believe. WSC is fantastic stiff enough and flexy enough to do what I want.
great blocks pushes and loops

I think I've heard it before, couple of weeks ago, or so. It looks like EJ is something you tend to do, variety seeking behavior etc. - if it enhances your enjoyment of TT, then so be it.    


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USATT: ~1810
Butterfly Defense Alpha ST - H3 Neo - Cloud&Fog OX


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 06/08/2017 at 12:50pm
It's a 12 step program!

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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
FH: Tenergy 05fx
BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: young dude
Date Posted: 06/09/2017 at 11:02am
GL everyone, I'm just starting.

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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 06/21/2017 at 3:41am
so after lots of ejing..............

Im sticking with the WSC
gone back to 05fx on my fh, just the 'get out of jail free' bounce suits my game
h3neo on bh, again I have a really spinny bh opener but the neo still allows me to push well

an end to EJing

the moral of the story is get the blade right first, then the rubbers!!

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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
FH: Tenergy 05fx
BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 07/21/2017 at 5:03am
LOL.

H3N did not last long.
Limber 402 now and Aurus Select on fh!!


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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
FH: Tenergy 05fx
BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 08/16/2017 at 12:58pm
So ejing slows down but continues.
I have used WSC for 2 months and it has resolved some things.
I am using H3N fh and H3N or H3 bh on next blade.
WSC is too slow with these rubbers, so I have just ordered a well known popular 5 ply wood.

new Korbel

hoping it will be somewhere between TSPW (too fast) and WSC (tad to slow)

We will see.

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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
FH: Tenergy 05fx
BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: henningf
Date Posted: 08/16/2017 at 3:14pm
You, I like you

Good luck with the Korbel, I actually went from the Korbel to a Violin (via an OSP Virtuoso +) that was also too fast with too little feel for me.

I hope I will stick with this setup for a while.


Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 08/16/2017 at 8:38pm
I am versus that 1st rule.
1st rule must be General Conclusion and last rule must give you last point why 1st rule is the most important. Let's think again what must be the 1st rule...


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 08/26/2017 at 5:44pm
so im still on hurricane 3 neo.

korbel did not like handle
since then ive tried celero wood
yeo
and infinity again

I like infinity for looping but need normal hurricane on bh
yeo is very powerful blade even with hurricane 3 neo

don't like celero much but trying again.

I cant believe ive played for 30 years and only just tried Chinese rubber, its so spinny and controllable, I hate euro rubbers now when I try them, bouncy lazy rubbish.



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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
FH: Tenergy 05fx
BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 08/27/2017 at 7:14pm
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

so im still on hurricane 3 neo.

korbel did not like handle
since then ive tried celero wood
yeo
and infinity again

I like infinity for looping but need normal hurricane on bh
yeo is very powerful blade even with hurricane 3 neo

don't like celero much but trying again.

I cant believe ive played for 30 years and only just tried Chinese rubber, its so spinny and controllable, I hate euro rubbers now when I try them, bouncy lazy rubbish.

You would be surprised how much the easy pace of Euro-Jap rubbers helps/is needed at higher levels - I tried to simply play with an unboosted H3 Neo but to no avail, kept losing to people that I usually beat due to being out paced in counter topspin play



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Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g)
Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B)
Tenergy 19 (2.1, R)
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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 08/27/2017 at 7:17pm
yes I did at first but after a month with unboosted h3n my arm has sped up or something and im hitting alright with it.

try it on a yeo and then tell me its slow??

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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
FH: Tenergy 05fx
BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: king_pong
Date Posted: 08/30/2017 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

so im still on hurricane 3 neo.

korbel did not like handle
since then ive tried celero wood
yeo
and infinity again

I like infinity for looping but need normal hurricane on bh
yeo is very powerful blade even with hurricane 3 neo

don't like celero much but trying again.

I cant believe ive played for 30 years and only just tried Chinese rubber, its so spinny and controllable, I hate euro rubbers now when I try them, bouncy lazy rubbish.



Just stick with Infinity VPS. I think that's the "do-all" blade of today. I recently switched to it and have been playing very controllable (but at a much higher pace) than before. It's a phenomenal blade you can't go wrong with.

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Stiga Infinity VPS (Master): fh/bh - Nittaku Hammond CR max


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 08/30/2017 at 5:06pm
yes infinity is going well at the moment. Beautifully spinny with hurricane 3 neo

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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
FH: Tenergy 05fx
BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: king_pong
Date Posted: 08/30/2017 at 5:09pm
I play Nittaku Magic Carbon max (fh), and JUIC Nanospin II max (bh), opponents have trouble when I load the spin.

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Stiga Infinity VPS (Master): fh/bh - Nittaku Hammond CR max


Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 09/05/2017 at 5:04pm
so after years of ejing I have settled on a beat up old infinity with ply delamination and hurricanes neo and I love it.

LOL LOL

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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
FH: Tenergy 05fx
BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 09/05/2017 at 6:48pm
Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

so after years of ejing I have settled on a beat up old infinity with ply delamination and hurricanes neo and I love it.

LOL LOL
You selling any equipment for cheap then? :p


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Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g)
Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B)
Tenergy 19 (2.1, R)
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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 09/05/2017 at 7:00pm
I got a celero wood used 1 hour
Yasaka extra offensive used 10 minutes
stiga infinity brand new used 10 minutes
donic wsc used

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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
FH: Tenergy 05fx
BH: Spinlord Keiler


Posted By: Swiff
Date Posted: 09/07/2017 at 12:22pm
I'll never understand you dirty EJs!!! LOL
 
I tried only a handful of equipment but have been using the same setup for years.  I got my Timo Boll ALC and tenergy on both sides.  That's all I need.

Actually, here's a winning strategy to a good setup:
Choose any blade and put any Tenergy on it.  Done! 


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