why Skyline 3 not popular anymore?
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Topic: why Skyline 3 not popular anymore?
Posted By: jonyer1980
Subject: why Skyline 3 not popular anymore?
Date Posted: 07/17/2017 at 3:09am
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I wonder why Skyline 3 is not anymore as popular as before? Many people agree it´s a more user friendly than typical H3, with better control and speed, but i can´t explain why no one keeps using it at international or pro level stage nowadays. As far as a know, the only current versions commertially sold are: -TG3 NEO commertial (irregular crappy quality like a lottery) -NT-50/60 new sponges on softer version which lack of power unless you heavily boost them. Why no any prov or blue sponges as before? ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 07/17/2017 at 3:29am
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H3 - two grand slam holders. Skyline 3 - zilch. There you have it. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: flash
Date Posted: 07/17/2017 at 4:08am
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I think H3 NEO has better explosion, TG3 NEO it is more control oriented, it is harder to finish the point with it. Now, with the new balls, old rubber with less spin means the past. H3 neo and T05 even tough are not designed for plastic balls will survive this era because are rubbers with still enough spin, power and control for this moment. T64 has a similar path since manny pro players switch from it to T80. ------------- Viscaria, FL T05 hard, 2,1 mm, black, fh T05 hard, 2,1 mm, red, bh. |
Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 07/17/2017 at 8:56am
The blue sponge versions are still sold, but I haven't seen any provincials. Only nationals. TG2 blue sponge is the one that is not available anymore, it is always out of stock anywhere I look. ------------- -1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator" -H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
jonyer1980 wrote:Posted By: DLC1325
Date Posted: 07/17/2017 at 4:23pm
If you mean Skyline 3-60 (on the #60 sponge) it certainly does not lack power. Its easily the fastest DHS rubber I've used out of H8, H3 Nat BS, H3 Neo, TG2 Neo, TG3 Neo (except maybe H8 on full swings); and it has plenty of spin and I don't boost. It has a very Euro/Jap/Hybrid feel to it. I've seen a lot of people use it on their backhand. Though I probably wouldn't call it a "pro level" rubber.
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Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/17/2017 at 5:28pm
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Recently, out of curiosity I boosted a red TG3(normal one) and the results were so good that I bought two TG3 Neo, loaded them with Falco long and now waiting for the dome to calm down and see how it plays with the p-ball ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/17/2017 at 6:23pm
was your boosted red TG3 better than a boosted H3 red or black and in what ways?
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Posted By: MLfan
Date Posted: 07/17/2017 at 8:31pm
| The reason is that skyline rubber isn't actually as powerful as hurricane. As in the quality of the shots produced are of less quality than that could be achieved with hurricane. |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 07/17/2017 at 11:07pm
In my personal experience, boosted H3 > boosted TG3 in basically every way. I think H3 is simply super to the skyline series and professionals clearly feel the same way. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 07/18/2017 at 1:20am
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TG3 NEO feels a lot more like an H2 upgrade than an H3 variant. TG2 NEO feels like H3 NEO with more control ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: Bobpuls
Date Posted: 07/18/2017 at 1:51am
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I`m playing tg2 national and tg3-60 and i`m satisfied .... I don like H3 so much ... Only shame on the tg3-60 is humidity malfunction ... if humidity is high the rubber lose 50% of its power in spin and grab. Shame . Otherways is just perfect .... If someone is writing about how rubber is not sensitive to incoming spin he did not try tg3-60 ------------- Custom carbon/aramid off FH DHS H8 BH DHS TG 3-60 Custom carbon off++ FH DHS TG2 BS BH DHS TG3-60 National |
Posted By: DLC1325
Date Posted: 07/18/2017 at 4:05pm
TG2 Neo and S3-60 are my favorite DHS rubbers. I'd love to try a TG2 National. I play more control oriented which is probably why I prefer Skylines to Hurricanes. S3-60 on my BH is basically perfect, as you said, Bobpuls. My flicks are deadlier than ever. FWIW, I could never generate as much spin with H3 Neo as with TG2 Neo or S3-60. H8 on full strokes is another story. That is one spinnnnny, powerful rubber.  ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75309" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: Bobpuls
Date Posted: 07/18/2017 at 11:46pm
I`m buying from prott and this is my third tg2 national ....No problems there. Give it a try. ------------- Custom carbon/aramid off FH DHS H8 BH DHS TG 3-60 Custom carbon off++ FH DHS TG2 BS BH DHS TG3-60 National |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 07/20/2017 at 11:46am
which dhs rubber is better to an amateu kidr or most forgiving? |
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 07/20/2017 at 11:56am
============= That's $80 per sheet, blue sponge - currently out-of-stock on that site. http://www.prott.vip/Product-List.aspx?producttype=51" rel="nofollow - http://www.prott.vip/Product-List.aspx?producttype=51 ------------- skip3119 |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 07/20/2017 at 11:56am
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If youre not looking for a tacky rubber I'd go for Goldarc Series. For instance GA8 is said to be a very fast top quality rubber& matches the best top ESN rubbers ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 07/20/2017 at 12:28pm
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I tried GA8 briefly on a friend's racket (47.5 degree version), it's sponge and topsheet look almost identical to Fastarc P-1. It plays like it as well. ------------- -1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator" -H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
Posted By: Matt Pimple
Date Posted: 07/20/2017 at 12:33pm
That could be because it is made by ESN.  ------------- OSP Ultimate; Dr. Neubauer Dominance Spin Hard max, Dr. Neubauer Troublemaker 0.5 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55835&title=feed-back-for-matt-pimple" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: DLC1325
Date Posted: 07/20/2017 at 1:25pm
Are you using the big character version and tuned or untuned? I see three versions on ProTT. The tuned one hasn't been in stock for a while. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75309" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 07/20/2017 at 10:48pm
TG2 NEO is higher throw and more versatile TG3 NEO is lower throw and requires you constantly attack with it to make the low, deadly arc pay off (like H2) ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: simon_xuan
Date Posted: 07/20/2017 at 11:32pm
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I play tuned Tg3 neo on HH3 for the past 3 years. 6 months life tuned 3 times before it becomes permanently domed. I don't have any alternative to kick up 1 more notch yet for its speed. I don't like tuned H3 alternative. But I never tried Tg2 neo though. ------------- RPB Rocks! BTY Innerforce ZLC Cpen | DHS H3N Blue Sponge | Victas V>15 Extra Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36695 |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 07/23/2017 at 2:26am
what rubber unboosted or unglued kicks after bouncing with low arc like 999 glued? |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/23/2017 at 4:40am
I am surprised how susceptive to Falco Long the TG3 sponge is, and I mean the original and my latest NEO. They dome easily and the dome seems to last forever ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: Lightzy
Date Posted: 11/15/2017 at 9:58pm
This. Humidity and heat malfunction are what kills the dhs tackys. I kept finding myself basically playing with an antispin brick during summer. Its why I switched to 729 battle 2 which doesnt have this problem and is simply better in everything as far as im concerned. It never fails. |
Posted By: Lightzy
Date Posted: 11/16/2017 at 4:21pm
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BTW I tried the skyline3-60 soft today and it's a beautiful rubber. I didn't find it soft however. Not at all.. Maybe it needs to be 'broken in' a bit? |
Posted By: obesechopper
Date Posted: 11/17/2017 at 1:25am
Top sheet is pretty hard, the sponge is super soft! I removed it to transfer and tore off a number of chunks with barely any effort...
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Posted By: iamj8
Date Posted: 11/18/2017 at 4:31pm
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Slightly off topic but does anyone know what hardness the TG3 Neo sponge is? I got a sheet but there's no hardness rating like with Hurricane 3 Neo. ------------- A version of Hurricane 3 A version of Tenergy A Stiga blade... |
Posted By: ThePongProfessor
Date Posted: 11/19/2017 at 1:37am
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The mid-hard version is 38-40 degrees, while the hard version is 41-43 degrees. I will be reviewing the Skyline series shortly for tabletennis11.com. ------------- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePongProfessor http://mytabletennis.net/forum/feedback-thepongprofessor_topic69419.html" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 11/19/2017 at 11:06am
Wu Yang uses the national version with 38°
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Posted By: Hozuki
Date Posted: 11/19/2017 at 2:28pm
Nice! I like both the skyline series and your reviews. |
Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 11/19/2017 at 3:34pm
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I ask myself why was skyline ever popular to begin with? I will admit a strong negative DHS product bias as I have never been impressed with any DHS rubber (or table tennis balls) after numerous attempts to use said products.
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Posted By: Hozuki
Date Posted: 11/19/2017 at 3:52pm
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It's designed for penhold use. Penholders are declining. Ergo less popularity. Question answered. |
Posted By: Lightzy
Date Posted: 11/19/2017 at 4:10pm
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I've been playing with the skyline 3-60 soft on backhand for a few weeks and I have to say I'm incredibly satisfied with it |
Posted By: mjamja
Date Posted: 11/19/2017 at 4:18pm
Could you expand on this. I have a pen-hold club mate who I try to help with some coaching. More explanation might help me understand some of the details of pen-hold technique that I do not currently understand. Mark - I am not a real TT coach but I do play one at my club.
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Posted By: Hozuki
Date Posted: 11/19/2017 at 5:04pm
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The original skyline rubbers (TG2 and TG3 and its NEO upgrades) were designed for penhold players. TG2, for example, was specificly designed for Ma Lin. The general idea is that skyline rubbers were optimized for a penhold stroke, which is different from a shakehand one. Thus penholders are more likely to enjoy and play well with skyline rubbers, rather than hurricane ones. Empirical evidence: Xu Xin, for example is the only penholder left in CNT and he plays with TG3, while the rest of the bunch plays Hurricane 3. But I think it comes down to how you like to contact the ball whether you prefer one or the other. |
Posted By: mjamja
Date Posted: 11/19/2017 at 5:41pm
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Thanks for the follow up. My club mate plays with T05 so it might be too much of a change. He tried H2 for a short time but did not like it. He may also have tried H3 with the same result. I will pass your info on to him. After the US Open in Dec he might want to try something different. Mark
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Posted By: Hozuki
Date Posted: 11/19/2017 at 6:24pm
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You are welcome. H2 is very difficult to use and only caters to a very specific player type. I would recommend TG2 to your friend as it is the most user friendly in my opinion and it has been well recieved by many players of different playstyles. |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 11/19/2017 at 7:55pm
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How do you know that Xu Xin plays with TG3? BTW since few months I am playing with TG3 NEO and really enjoy it. It is deadly and very fast while driving the ball especially when taking it early(my effort to adapt to the P-ball).Very confusing for my opponents. Serve and push are WOW! I wish it had better smash, but when I'm in need I twiddle. There was a moment in the cell past when I was using this rubber and it did not impress me as much as now..... Maybe I should try the H3 Neo too ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: iamj8
Date Posted: 11/19/2017 at 9:47pm
Do you play shakehand or penhold? Also, did you boost your TG3 and what blade do you use? Thanks ------------- A version of Hurricane 3 A version of Tenergy A Stiga blade... |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 11/19/2017 at 10:06pm
whats different in TG3 that is good for a penholder |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 11/19/2017 at 11:01pm
TG2 (non neo) was fabulous with the celluloid ball. Really predictable and stable, solid control with that "Hurricane" gear for ridiculous spin or powerful speed. But I haven't tried it with the current balls. I was using TG2 Neo for a while and gave up in favor of STN; TG2Neo simply requires too much work on an ALL+ / OFF- blade without boosting. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 11/20/2017 at 6:00am
I play shakehand and have TG3NEO on two of mine Hallmark Carbon Extreme(2.15 and 2.2 FH) and recently on the Latika(2.15) T64 is on the BH. Yes I boost them with FTL although not sure if the boost effect is there. Probably it is. ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: Hozuki
Date Posted: 11/20/2017 at 9:11am
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I forgot to mention TG2 requires a fast flexy blade with hard outer veneers. |