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Topic: Nexy Arche reviews
Posted By: arg0
Subject: Nexy Arche reviews
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 11:27am
Yesterday I got the chance to play with the new Nexy Arche.

It's a light combination blade, with the top ply being the same wood as Rubicon on the forehand (FH) side and white ash on the backhand (BH) side.
Handle was ST and weight 80g.
I put Nexy Karis M max on FH and Xiom Vega Pro max on BH.
The setup was slightly head heavy, at least to me. About the same as Lissom, a bit more than Violin (I'll use Lissom and Violin as reference in this comparison). I normally prefer centre-balanced setups for better agility close to the table. That should be fixable with 2.0-2.1 rubbers. It's just that I happened to have some spare max rubbers for testing...

Build quality is even a notch higher than the high standards Nexy is known for. Surfaces are smooth, blade comes lightly pre-sealed, wings are chamfered. On top of that, the edges of the blade are lightly sanded along the whole length: I suppose this was to take the sharpness out of the top ply and reduce the splintering issues that were not uncommon with Rubicon.

ST handle is the same cross-section as Rubicon. Size is regular (no WST option on Arche) and the FH and BH surfaces of the handle are flat and transition to the rounded sides with a slight edge. This design debuted with Calix, afaik. I'm not too much of a fan of this cross-section, I would have preferred smoother transitions. But I think I can fix this by slightly sanding the handle.

So how does it play? Well, I only tested it once so these are my first impressions. I will update the review in the coming weeks.

The setup I tested is very controlled and ideal for mid-distance play. The blade speed is between OFF- and OFF, faster than Violin and Lissom with equivalent rubbers. Still, short play felt very comfortable and required little adjustment. Forehand seemed quite crispy, with good top speed, backhand was smoother and more controlled. Both sides produce high arc (also thanks to the rubbers): it was very easy to lift backspin on both sides, chopping was also quite easy, a bit surprisingly, given the speed of the blade. Soft blocks also came quite consistent.

So I'd say the blade is very well suited for variable spin play, continuous topspin, and offence from mid distance. The blade is light, controlled, and also well-suited for playing closer to the table, though you may want to use light rubbers (or non-max thickness) to shift the balance toward the handle.
If your game depends on flat shots, hard blocks and smashes, or if you want power from far away, you should look for a different blade. Among Nexy blades in the same speed range, Arirang or Calix 2 come to my mind.

Again, this is based on only one session with Arche. Stay tuned for updates.


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Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 11/14/2017 at 9:57am
Have you played with the KJH and/or Rubicon? (I'm curious about how the KJH and Rubicon sides on the Arche compare to the original..)


Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 11/14/2017 at 4:02pm
I've played a few more time with Arche since, and I found it very convincing. I've tested many Nexy blades in the last years, but I had never found a blade that suited my style as well as Lissom. My only real complaint with Lissom is that it is a bit more head-heavy than Violin, which is my other reference blade. This is until the plastic ball came, and with it the need for a bit more speed.
Arche is so far the best Lissom and Violin alternative that I've tested.

I'm planning to complete my review above. But before, I have to find out how much of the head-heaviness and the difference between FH and BH side is due to the rubbers. I've put different rubbers on FH and BH, which is not ideal when approaching a combination blade for the first time... stay tuned.


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 11/14/2017 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

Have you played with the KJH and/or Rubicon? (I'm curious about how the KJH and Rubicon sides on the Arche compare to the original..)

I've played with the Rubicon, not the KJH.
As said in my previous post, I cannot say yet how much of the difference in character between Arche's FH and BH is due to the different top plies and how much to the different rubbers I used. I'll have to glue same rubbers to find out.
However, I've played with Rubicon before, and the Rubicon side of Arche feels quite different. My impression was that Rubicon is more "repulsive" when hitting hard, making it more suitable for aggressive play, while Arche is more "captive" and thus more suitable for controlled play close to the table, but less suitable for looping from afar.
This is just my impression, I'll know better after I tested Arche with Vega Pro on FH (at the moment, I've got Vega Pro on BH and Karis M on FH).


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 02/12/2018 at 4:18pm
Testers, please post your reviews of Arche here.


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 02/12/2018 at 4:20pm
I am quoting http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81481&PID=1014743&title=10-free-nexy-arche-blades-for-testers#1014743" rel="nofollow - this post from ohwell.
Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

Just got my Arche!
I wanted to report my bounce test.  Blade weighs 83.2g.  I'm getting: 1331Hz on the FH side, and 1336Hz on the BH size. The difference gets bigger if I use a larger window size for the analysis: with a 8192 size window (same audio file, about 8x times larger window) I get peaks at 1327hz on FH, and 1338hz on BH.  That's with 1 minute's worth of bounces on each side.

I'm not sure whether this difference between FH and BH is big enough to be significant - or whether it's due to factors I can't control for.  Would be curious to know what results other people get on bounce tests with BH vs FH.


In my case I got 1317 Hz on either side (I was lazy and recorded only 3 series of bounces each).

Even on Nexy's objective measurement scales, the FH and BH sides are essentially rated the same both in terms of elasticity and perceived hardness.

Nexy's position is that the bounce test and their measurements measure impact perpendicular to the blade face, and in this case the blade behaves as a whole, regardless of which side hits the ball. So it makes sense that the measurements are the same or very close.
They say the difference becomes noticeable when the impact is tangential, i.e. when spinning the ball, because then the top ply closer to the ball has a more active role, whereas the top ply on the other side of the racket is less involved.

I cannot directly confirm this, because I play with different rubbers on FH and BH.

If you can (I mean any tester), please put same rubbers on FH and BH, and let me know if you perceive any difference.

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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 02/13/2018 at 6:13am
I just received the Arche,

Right now I put Aurus Prime on both sides and the speed/feel when bouncing feels the same? I think that maybe when spinning it as arg0 mentioned, it may feel different but not sure. Anyone else feel the same?


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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 02/13/2018 at 6:17am
Spinning the ball on the spot (like bouncing but I brush as well) seems like the FH side is ever so slightly more direct than the limba outer ply. What could be the wood used?

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 02/13/2018 at 8:29am
Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Spinning the ball on the spot (like bouncing but I brush as well) seems like the FH side is ever so slightly more direct than the limba outer ply. What could be the wood used?

There is no limba outer ply. The BH is white ash, the FH... no one knows.


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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 02/13/2018 at 8:32am
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Spinning the ball on the spot (like bouncing but I brush as well) seems like the FH side is ever so slightly more direct than the limba outer ply. What could be the wood used?

There is no limba outer ply. The BH is white ash, the FH... no one knows.

I think it's http://www.materials-inc.com/product/tabu-natural-dyed-lati-86-059/" rel="nofollow - Lati .



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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 02/14/2018 at 6:00pm
Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

[...]There is no limba outer ply. The BH is white ash, the FH... no one knows.
I think it's http://www.materials-inc.com/product/tabu-natural-dyed-lati-86-059/" rel="nofollow - Lati .

That surely looks like it. Well-spotted!

BTW, is that website useful for finding images of different wood veneers, or did you know it was Lati and just found an image there? Just curious, could turn out useful for other blades...



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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/15/2018 at 12:05am
Got mine today.   Will be some time before I test. Handle seems thicker than the usual Nexy blades. I don't like that but others might. Head size also seems smaller than KJH which is a good thing for me now but depending on how you felt about KJH you may not like.

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Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 02/15/2018 at 1:49am
I also got mine yesterday. Here are some pictures of this beauty:









Next monday I will test it with Karis M max both sides. Normally I use it (Karis M) only on one side, but I also want to know if there is a difference between forehand and backhand.



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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 02/15/2018 at 6:47am
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

[...]There is no limba outer ply. The BH is white ash, the FH... no one knows.
I think it's http://www.materials-inc.com/product/tabu-natural-dyed-lati-86-059/" rel="nofollow - Lati .

That surely looks like it. Well-spotted!

BTW, is that website useful for finding images of different wood veneers, or did you know it was Lati and just found an image there? Just curious, could turn out useful for other blades...


I found the name Lati when I was trying to work out what Rubicon used last year.  I actually did a google reverse image search using a cropped picture of the Rubicon top ply, and that link popped up.

Arche looks really nice!


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Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 02/15/2018 at 11:08am
I got mine as well. I typically need at least 5 training sessions, including some matches against players with different styles, before I can develop an opinion that I can publicly share - so my review will most likely come in about two weeks.

For those who care about packaging, visual appeal, etc ... My subjective view is that the blade looks quite a nice (someone already posted pictures), and it came in a very pretty package that give it luxurious vibe.


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Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 02/15/2018 at 11:21am
Received mine today. I'm travelling next week, so it'll be a bit for me as well. I'd expect a review mid March.

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 02/15/2018 at 11:34am
Please take the time you need for your reviews. A fair assessment takes time.


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 02/15/2018 at 11:36am
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

[...] Handle seems thicker than the usual Nexy blades. I don't like that but others might.[...]

I suppose you have a FL handle. ST is about the same size and shape than other recent Nexy blades (quite wide and not very thick).


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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 02/15/2018 at 11:37am
In my opinion, Nexy products look kind of expensive to me. Their prices seem even higher than BTY. 

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Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 10:34am

My blade came today. in a very nice package. The blade looks very beautiful..


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Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 10:38am
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

In my opinion, Nexy products look kind of expensive to me. Their prices seem even higher than BTY. 


What are you talking about? Your opinion is just plain wrong.

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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 11:41am
Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

In my opinion, Nexy products look kind of expensive to me. Their prices seem even higher than BTY. 


What are you talking about? Your opinion is just plain wrong.


How much does the all-wood Arche retail for? $130? If Nexy blades aren't priced higher than BTY ones, the Arche surely bucks the trend?

Not that it concerns me, though - we now have a vast array of price points from all suppliers.

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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 12:51pm
How does the outer ply of Lati compared to the white ash in terms of hardness? Anyone have any figures?

Is it me or is the lati outer ply a lot thinner than the white ash?


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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 12:58pm
Lati is a kind of Wenge and I am fairly sure that the Rubicon was known as a wenge outer play blade but my memory may deceive me.  In any case... I wish both sides were wenge - lol.



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Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 1:05pm
Stats make the lati seem a bit softer (1200 vs 1320 lbs janka).  On average lati seems stiffer, though (higher elastic modulus).  That's according to: http://www.wood-database.com




Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 5:03pm
Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

Stats make the lati seem a bit softer (1200 vs 1320 lbs janka).  On average lati seems stiffer, though (higher elastic modulus).  That's according to: http://www.wood-database.com


So how does that affect play? Why would lati be more suited to white ash?


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 8:16pm
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

In my opinion, Nexy products look kind of expensive to me. Their prices seem even higher than BTY. 

On one hand, I've always been a bit put off by the relatively high prices of Nexy; on the other hand, the build quality of Nexy blades is absolutely top notch, and the only time I had issues (the blade looked perfectly fine but then a top ply splintered after taking off a rubber) Nexy offered to replace it immediately at no expense.
I haven't had much experience with Butterfly, in the last 10 years, but I'd say the build quality of Nexy compares with the finest Nittaku blades. The build quality is miles ahead from blades of other manufacturers at lower price points. I don't want to name any, but... think of the usual suspects.



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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Is it me or is the lati outer ply a lot thinner than the white ash?

It may be you or your blade. On mine they are the same, as far as my eyes can tell.
Also on Magic_M's excellent last picture, you can see they're the same thickness (I measured about 17 pixels each).


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 8:26pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Lati is a kind of Wenge and I am fairly sure that the Rubicon was known as a wenge outer play blade but my memory may deceive me.  In any case... I wish both sides were wenge - lol.

AFAIK, Nexy never revealed what the outer ply of Rubicon/Arche is. Wenge is probably a good guess. Actually, I just learned that Lati is also called White Wenge.


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Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 9:33pm
Nexy is expensive. As is Butterfly. As is Nittaku. My point is, Nexy isn't MORE expensive than any of the other high-end brands or other high-end blades of any other major company. Joola wants $150+ for their top tier stuff. Same for Tibhar etc..

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Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 02/16/2018 at 10:07pm
We all know that Nexy is responsible for introducing $400+ SZLC blades to the market.   

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Butterfly’s Wenge outer hadraw go for $130+, much like the Arche. It’s expensive, but it’s what people are willing to pay for top of the line, unique all wood blades.


Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 02/17/2018 at 4:08pm
BTW, if my memory doesn't fail me, even Yinhe's Wenge-outer blades are/were very expensive compared to Yinhe's usual prices when they were introduced several years ago.
Could be that Wenge veneer is either very expensive, or difficult to work, or both.



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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 02/18/2018 at 3:27pm
Can't wait to try out this blade, feels harder than my Victas Koki Niwa for good reason, I prefer harder outer ply blades, let's see how 7ply all wood plays :) might be a break through! Aurus Prime really is one of the most controllable BH rubbers for my game (excluding MX-s but it's so difficult to loop with that on BH), with all wood I might just become a wall!

Selling my Victas Koki Niwa on FS section with Aurus Prime btw (shameless advert!)



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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/18/2018 at 5:26pm
Tried the blade out for the first time today with MX-S both sides, it played better than the carbon blades I have been using so far ad I was able to go through the ball more even on loops. Will continue to test, the Wenge side has a really high throw for my technique.

It is thicker than and has a thicker handle than the KJH and Korbel. It has a smaller head than the Korbel and KJH but keeps the flatter Korean wings which I really like for my grip. Looks like another extensive EJ period is coming.

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Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 02/19/2018 at 3:10pm
I'm amazed at how many things Arche seems to do just right for me: it's basically a feel, arc and control monster, with mean enough high gears to bite my opponent's fingers when I need that extra pace.  I need more time for a proper assessment, but this is super promising, and likely to become my main blade.

I've been using MX-S (1.9) on FH and Karis M BH.  I have a second MX-S on its way, so I can properly grasp what the different top plies do for my game.

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Minor gripe: I really don't get along with the crystal on the lens.  Have folks tried to remove it?


Posted By: emihet
Date Posted: 02/19/2018 at 3:43pm
nice blade...plays very well too

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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 02/19/2018 at 3:50pm
emihet might have tried out my Arche... or his secret underground contacts got him am Arche a year before I got mine.

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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 02/19/2018 at 3:56pm
Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

*** Minor gripe: I really don't get along with the crystal on the lens.  Have folks tried to remove it?

I never tried, but I like grip tape. A lot. I like it so much, often I use TWO grip tapes. WHY? Most handles are too thin for me. It gives me a chance to make it as thick as I need it. Also, I can shape the grip tape to make the blade handle a more effective level, so when I engage my fingers, it self levers and gives easier acceleration at the end.

Also, another feature on many modern blades is they are too light and not weighted enough down low. This makes even a lighter blade more difficult to accelerate. Two grip tapes down there is pretty much good enough to overcome that without taking off the handle and adding weight there with glue, wood and paper clips.

Another good thing about grip tape is that weight down there really helps the impact to be more solid on your powerful shots.

Another good thing is if you sweat unhuman crazy like Caveman-BH-Man, the bat is less likely to fly off on a lop and strike the mother not watching outside the barrier. 


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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 02/19/2018 at 3:57pm
The Arche may be my new blade of choice, it feels very similar in hardness to my ZJK ALC but less muffled and more linear due to all wood. I dislike soft wood blades and the speed is really nice with a new MX-P on FH, and the BH is even more controllable with Aurus Prime. Not a huge difference between the wood ply but with MX-P on fh there is a more pronounced difference which I like.

Solid blade and I'm gonna try it for a little longer to see if I'm keeping it!


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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 02/19/2018 at 4:00pm
The feel is amazing which helps when playing at a high level, once adapted touch shots and banana flicks are a lot better, one thing I miss is the zip from top end loops that you get with ALC blades, but I am a consistent close to the table player so it's not a huge deal.

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Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 02/19/2018 at 5:01pm
I also had my first training-session with Arche and Karis M both sides.
First impressions: yes, there IS a different feeling between forehand and backhand.
Throw is higher on forehand, the sound is also a bit louder.
I clearly prefer the forehand-feeling. This new outer veneer is really nice. Thumbs Up

The feeling is very good, but over all the speed is a bit too low for me with Karis M.
Next week I will choose a faster rubber (at least) on forehand.


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 02/19/2018 at 5:28pm
Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

Minor gripe: I really don't get along with the crystal on the lens.  Have folks tried to remove it?

So, together with Magic_M and me, we're already there people thinking that Nexy blades would be better without. Actually, as far as I'm concerned, it only bothers me aesthetically: it looks cheap. It's not even made of real glass. I understand it may be a distinctive symbol of Nexy, but I'd prefer that it was real glass and embedded, so that it doesn't stick out.

I guess one could lever it out or just sand it down so it's flush with the metal tag.

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Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 02/19/2018 at 5:53pm
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

Minor gripe: I really don't get along with the crystal on the lens.  Have folks tried to remove it?

So, together with Magic_M and me, we're already there people thinking that Nexy blades would be better without. Actually, as far as I'm concerned, it only bothers me aesthetically: it looks cheap. It's not even made of real glass. I understand it may be a distinctive symbol of Nexy, but I'd prefer that it was real glass and embedded, so that it doesn't stick out.

Yeah.  As Mr. Moon points out in discussing the background to Arche, Nexy's blades are meant to stand the test of time.  It seems to me that the crystals just don't do justice to the timeless character of the blades' designs.  




Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 02/20/2018 at 1:40am
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Actually, as far as I'm concerned, it only bothers me aesthetically: it looks cheap. It's not even made of real glass. I understand it may be a distinctive symbol of Nexy, but I'd prefer that it was real glass and embedded, so that it doesn't stick out.
I don't have a big problem with the aesthetic (although I also don't like it really), but it is a problem for me, when I turn around the blade (from time to time I do this to irritate the opponent). In these moments the crystal presses in my hand).
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

I guess one could lever it out or just sand it down so it's flush with the metal tag.
That's what I am planning to do.


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 02/20/2018 at 1:55am
Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

I guess one could lever it out or just sand it down so it's flush with the metal tag.
That's what I am planning to do.

I'm sure you'll protect the tag with adhesive tape before sanding. And please send some of your amazing pictures to show us the result!


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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/20/2018 at 10:54am
I put the black rubber on the wrong side (the ash side) but I still sometimes test it properly, just not in this video - lol.

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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 02/20/2018 at 12:55pm
Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

I also had my first training-session with Arche and Karis M both sides.
First impressions: yes, there IS a different feeling between forehand and backhand.
Throw is higher on forehand, the sound is also a bit louder.
I clearly prefer the forehand-feeling. This new outer veneer is really nice. Thumbs Up

The feeling is very good, but over all the speed is a bit too low for me with Karis M.
Next week I will choose a faster rubber (at least) on forehand.
I would recommend MX-P in max thickness, plays really smooth and easy to control as opposed to when I tried it on ALC blades


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Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 02/20/2018 at 1:13pm
Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

I also had my first training-session with Arche and Karis M both sides.
First impressions: yes, there IS a different feeling between forehand and backhand.
Throw is higher on forehand, the sound is also a bit louder.
I clearly prefer the forehand-feeling. This new outer veneer is really nice. Thumbs Up

The feeling is very good, but over all the speed is a bit too low for me with Karis M.
Next week I will choose a faster rubber (at least) on forehand.

I would recommend MX-P in max thickness, plays really smooth and easy to control as opposed to when I tried it on ALC blades


Or if you just want a small increase in speed (and spin) with a rubber more similar to Karis M (not in feel, but in the linear behavior, stability in block, and the non bouncy short game) maybe MX-S? (I need more time with MX-S, but so far I fear it’s a bit of a Karis killer, even more so considering it’s cheaper..)


Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 02/20/2018 at 2:06pm
Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

I also had my first training-session with Arche and Karis M both sides.
First impressions: yes, there IS a different feeling between forehand and backhand.
Throw is higher on forehand, the sound is also a bit louder.
I clearly prefer the forehand-feeling. This new outer veneer is really nice. Thumbs Up

The feeling is very good, but over all the speed is a bit too low for me with Karis M.
Next week I will choose a faster rubber (at least) on forehand.

I would recommend MX-P in max thickness, plays really smooth and easy to control as opposed to when I tried it on ALC blades


Or if you just want a small increase in speed (and spin) with a rubber more similar to Karis M (not in feel, but in the linear behavior, stability in block, and the non bouncy short game) maybe MX-S? (I need more time with MX-S, but so far I fear it’s a bit of a Karis killer, even more so considering it’s cheaper..)
MX-S isn't a great rubber for FH if you are an aggressive looper rather it is good for brushing the ball mainly and countering/block as it is low throw, ELP/Aurus Prime would be better (but it depends on your game)


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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/20/2018 at 2:16pm
SmackDAT,

Do I strike you as a passive Looper?



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Posted By: bars
Date Posted: 02/20/2018 at 3:39pm
Doesnt high throw allow you to loop passively


Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 02/20/2018 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

I also had my first training-session with Arche and Karis M both sides.
First impressions: yes, there IS a different feeling between forehand and backhand.
Throw is higher on forehand, the sound is also a bit louder.
I clearly prefer the forehand-feeling. This new outer veneer is really nice. Thumbs Up

The feeling is very good, but over all the speed is a bit too low for me with Karis M.
Next week I will choose a faster rubber (at least) on forehand.

I would recommend MX-P in max thickness, plays really smooth and easy to control as opposed to when I tried it on ALC blades


Or if you just want a small increase in speed (and spin) with a rubber more similar to Karis M (not in feel, but in the linear behavior, stability in block, and the non bouncy short game) maybe MX-S? (I need more time with MX-S, but so far I fear it’s a bit of a Karis killer, even more so considering it’s cheaper..)
MX-S isn't a great rubber for FH if you are an aggressive looper rather it is good for brushing the ball mainly and countering/block as it is low throw, ELP/Aurus Prime would be better (but it depends on your game)

I didn't mean to stir up the MX-S thread conversation all over again.  My suggestion for Magic_M was in relation to Karis specifically, which many players find to have a lot of similarities with MX-S.



Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 02/21/2018 at 4:09pm
I will test it with Victas V>15 Extra. With my Viscaria it was a bit too fast for me, but V15E could be a good combination with the Arche. MX-P may also be an option. Thanks for this advice.

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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 02/21/2018 at 7:36pm
Some clips of my testing in pre match training today, plays well but lacks the extra zip for forehand counters and finishes that I'm used to with alc blades, plays well otherwise


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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 02/24/2018 at 3:42am
I like your flexible OFF attacking game S-Dat. No one ought to expect Arche (or the Kim Jung Hoon it was based on) to be a juggernaut of top end pace like many ALC blades. I think the Arche is well suited to your ability to spin and keep landing shots.

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Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 02/24/2018 at 3:05pm
Today I removed the part of the crystal, which looks out of the handle.



but unfortunately I did not work perfect, because I also removed a little bit of the Nexy imprint.



but to be honest, I prefer the better feeling in my hand over the perfect look of the lens. Wink
It is not easy to sand the crystal without damaging the blade, 
because it is roundish and hard to cover during the sanding-process. 
Maybe it is easier to remove the complete crystal and fill the hole with a black filling-material. 


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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 02/24/2018 at 4:30pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

SmackDAT,

Do I strike you as a passive Looper?

Hi, I meant to say if you are are not an aggressive looper or you prefer to brush the ball over hitting through the sponge, in my opinion you are more of a brush looper? So I think it's well suited to you even though you are aggressive, you are not like the new generation that love to hit through the sponge for example many England top level players like drinkhall? (or just many young tournament players I see)


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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/24/2018 at 7:49pm
Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

SmackDAT,

Do I strike you as a passive Looper?


Hi, I meant to say if you are are not an aggressive looper or you prefer to brush the ball over hitting through the sponge, in my opinion you are more of a brush looper? So I think it's well suited to you even though you are aggressive, you are not like the new generation that love to hit through the sponge for example many England top level players like drinkhall? (or just many young tournament players I see)


There is a sense in which you are right but I think if you play with very hard sponge, you have to brush anyways, what you are complaining about is the ease of getting a quality spin drive and that is not just a matter of equipment or technique, it's also about physical strength.

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Posted By: doushikunlun
Date Posted: 02/25/2018 at 12:35am
I am not familiar with Nexy, but I am inrerested in Arche. Does nexy usually have a sale for their blades? Or will it always be full price?


Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 02/25/2018 at 2:15am
Arche just hit the market and the US Distributor (you might run across him (1/2 of the US distributor team) sometimes if you are in California) just got a few. Right now, as for blades on sale, only the Calix series are on sale here in USA. Arche is not on discount sale yet, but give it some months, you never know.

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Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 02/25/2018 at 11:58am
Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

SmackDAT,

Do I strike you as a passive Looper?

Hi, I meant to say if you are are not an aggressive looper or you prefer to brush the ball over hitting through the sponge, in my opinion you are more of a brush looper? So I think it's well suited to you even though you are aggressive, you are not like the new generation that love to hit through the sponge for example many England top level players like drinkhall? (or just many young tournament players I see)

Look at it this way: what about looping with hard, tacky Chinese rubbers?  Arguably, the hit through the sponge to spin approach you have in mind would do even worse on Hurricane 3 than on MX-S.  Yet it's hard to think of a rubber more oriented towards aggressive looping than H3. 

MX-S is extremely different from tacky Chinese rubbers, but the same point applies: the fact that it favors a different approach towards generating extreme spin than, e.g. T05, doesn't make it ill suited for aggressive looping.  

Side note: (not unlike H3) a common complain about MX-S is that it requires too much effort to really pay off with extreme spin values (compared to typical spinny tenergy/tensor style rubbers).  (See, e.g., the review from tt-spin.de).  In a way it's the opposite of your point: many people find it to really come into its own with extremely aggressive looping.  

But there's a flip side to this point, which might speak to your experience with it: some say that MX-S punishes relying too much on aggressive looping for players that can't consistently maintain high enough head speed on those loops.  For those players (which is most of us, really), getting the most out of the rubber will often involve relying on a much broader range of shots than just power loops..  (Something very similar can again be said about H3, btw.)


Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 02/25/2018 at 11:59am
Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:


Maybe it is easier to remove the complete crystal and fill the hole with a black filling-material. 

Has anyone successfully done that on a nexy blade?  (Specifically, I wonder if this can easily be done without disassembling the handle and lens..)


Posted By: doushikunlun
Date Posted: 02/25/2018 at 7:23pm
Thank you. I didnt know it is newly released. It is available on the Korean store, but shipping kills it. I will wait for it to be available in US.


Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 02/25/2018 at 9:00pm
Available in US dsk. Bogeyhunter is the CEO of nexyusa.com the US distributor for Nexy. He just got some in last order. Shipping on the blade would be free.

Since you have California as your location, you might run into me one day at a club or tourney.


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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 03/03/2018 at 2:49am
Ultimately ended up getting rid of the blade, due to the fact that it lacked the extra zip I was used to with ALC type blades, even with rubbers like MX-P. On the other hand, I confirmed that I prefer FL handles so I changed to a new Viscaria.

The shots I was playing with the Arche were more consistent but obviously lacked the speed which I somewhat blame for my technique that I have adapted to fast blades(!). But that being said I don't necessarily lack control with koto-ALC blades which is why I switched back and make more mistakes unforced in match play anyway.

Better in all aspects apart from short game control (but not feel for myself) and flicks/open ups, I don't regret trying out this harder all wood blade but it may be for someone seeking more control.

Note: I was considering using Mizutani ZLC again but I decided the numbness of ALC but especially the crisp koto outer would benefit my short game and counter game at the expensive of better flicks/open ups


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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 03/03/2018 at 2:58am
Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

SmackDAT,

Do I strike you as a passive Looper?

Hi, I meant to say if you are are not an aggressive looper or you prefer to brush the ball over hitting through the sponge, in my opinion you are more of a brush looper? So I think it's well suited to you even though you are aggressive, you are not like the new generation that love to hit through the sponge for example many England top level players like drinkhall? (or just many young tournament players I see)

Look at it this way: what about looping with hard, tacky Chinese rubbers?  Arguably, the hit through the sponge to spin approach you have in mind would do even worse on Hurricane 3 than on MX-S.  Yet it's hard to think of a rubber more oriented towards aggressive looping than H3. 

MX-S is extremely different from tacky Chinese rubbers, but the same point applies: the fact that it favors a different approach towards generating extreme spin than, e.g. T05, doesn't make it ill suited for aggressive looping.  

Side note: (not unlike H3) a common complain about MX-S is that it requires too much effort to really pay off with extreme spin values (compared to typical spinny tenergy/tensor style rubbers).  (See, e.g., the review from tt-spin.de).  In a way it's the opposite of your point: many people find it to really come into its own with extremely aggressive looping.  

But there's a flip side to this point, which might speak to your experience with it: some say that MX-S punishes relying too much on aggressive looping for players that can't consistently maintain high enough head speed on those loops.  For those players (which is most of us, really), getting the most out of the rubber will often involve relying on a much broader range of shots than just power loops..  (Something very similar can again be said about H3, btw.)
Agree to an extent but ultimately it depends on the technique as much as the velocity of the shot, I believe players with styles like like Drinkhall or even Harimoto (for now as his dad's a ex china player) maybe toned down level wise, where they hit through the sponge would still prefer Tenergy, MXP, euro style rubber, as they will be unable to generate the spin by hitting through the sponge.

I think that aggressive loopers who can brush more like Ishikawa, Ito or even JYS and have the Chinese style technique will benefit from H3 and to a lower extent MXS over euro rubbers, 

Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

But there's a flip side to this point, which might speak to your experience with it: some say that MX-S punishes relying too much on aggressive looping for players that can't consistently maintain high enough head speed on those loops

But here is the thing I want to point out there is a reason why so many extremely aggressive power loopers at a professional level still prefer Tenergy and MXP even if they can boost a hardened MXS/H3 to bits (e.g. Franziska, Shibaev, Lee sang su, Ovtcharov who tried H3 who are obviously pros who can produce way more velocity than us, even the best league players).

My point is that the aspect of technique in playing with a brush/chinese style vs euro rubber is as significant, if not more than the simple ferocity of shots. If that were the case, all professionals who attack would be heavily boosting H3/MXS instead of what they are using now, look at the top 100, and more shockingly European national teams (no1 uses tacky rubbers)

How come even I play way stronger loops than my chinese friend(s) who are similar level to me who use H3 and TG3 on fh/bh (physically smaller but also style/technique). I personally disliked MX-S (even though I have an aggressive backhand) because the lower throw put me off as I don't brush loop with backhand, I prefer engaging the sponge when opening up because it puts more pressure on higher level opponents who can counter brush loops. 

I don't like anecdotes but I will have to strongly disagree on the premise if you can't loop with high speed therefore you can't play with rubbers like H3/MXS. That is an absurd assumption as disproved by my examples above. You can even watch my videos, I prefer to engage the sponge but I hit hard and have always preferred Euro rubbers despite a brief stint with boosted H3 (which I actually enjoyed and played well with apart from the volatility of performance, despite being even slower than MXS boosted)



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Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 03/03/2018 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:



I don't like anecdotes but I will have to strongly disagree on the premise if you can't loop with high speed therefore you can't play with rubbers like H3/MXS.



We agree on that point, not sure what made you think we don’t.


Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 03/03/2018 at 5:02pm
Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:



I don't like anecdotes but I will have to strongly disagree on the premise if you can't loop with high speed therefore you can't play with rubbers like H3/MXS.



We agree on that point, not sure what made you think we don’t.

Ahh I phrased it wrong I am saying that not all powerloopers would suit with h3 and mxs so it isn't about the velocity of the ball per se the weight of style and technique is more significant m

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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 03/03/2018 at 5:03pm
All of that to write and typed main bit wrong!

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/03/2018 at 9:07pm
This is a Nexy Arche thread - i would contribute more to the MX-S debate but maybe on another thread at another time.

I like the blade a lot for linear control and I may try it with Tenergy at some point just to see what the outcome looks like. It definitely helps liven up MX-S a little with the higher throw Wenge. But MX-S is pretty lively for a brush Looper like myself.

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Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 03/04/2018 at 10:44am
NL, have you been preferring to use the blade sides as intended, or with Ash on the fh?

I think I see what you mean with the wenge being lively compared to the ash. To me it also has a softer feel than the ash: I sometimes picture it as feeling more elastic, like a rubber band stretching with the ball. The ash side usually feels more direct.



Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/04/2018 at 9:20pm
Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

NL, have you been preferring to use the blade sides as intended, or with Ash on the fh?

I think I see what you mean with the wenge being lively compared to the ash. To me it also has a softer feel than the ash: I sometimes picture it as feeling more elastic, like a rubber band stretching with the ball. The ash side usually feels more direct.


I use the blade as intended.

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Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 03/09/2018 at 2:26am
Which is the thickness of the blade?

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Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 03/09/2018 at 7:33am
5,9 mm

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 03/10/2018 at 12:57am
I love the white ash side. The Arche is really good but i think the other side is a bit hard for me. Probably needs a softer rubber for the bh if you use the white ash side for your fh.

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Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 03/10/2018 at 1:50am
For me it is the opposite: I LOVE the side with the "Rubicon outer veneer". Big smile
With Nittaku Faster G1 it is a "perfect match" for my forehand. T05 also fits very good.
Actually I am testing some rubbers for the white ash side (backhand).
Next week I will post a first review.


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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/10/2018 at 12:12pm
I wish both sides were the Rubicon Veneer to be honest, but I like both sides.  I use high dwell spinny rubbers so I need something that releases the ball really quickly.

The main thing for me is that the handle and balance of the blade fit my play perfectly.  The demerit is the lack of a carbon/composite veneer that adds power when you go for it - on this I agree with SmackDat.  My consistency with it is excellent though.  I will likely go back and forth between it and my Calix 2 for a while.

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Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 03/10/2018 at 3:05pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

  I will likely go back and forth between it and my Calix 2 for a while.


It's interesting (I'm not surprised) you're planning to go back and fourth between Arche and Calix 2 ... I've observed meaningful similarities in how the two blades feel and play, especially the FH side.





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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/10/2018 at 5:38pm
Originally posted by VictorK VictorK wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

  I will likely go back and forth between it and my Calix 2 for a while.



It's interesting (I'm not surprised) you're planning to go back and fourth between Arche and Calix 2 ... I've observed meaningful similarities in how the two blades feel and play, especially the FH side.




I think for you the handle will be closer to what you prefer given your preference for thick handles. This handle is definitely thicker than the usual Nexy handles and I wish my Calix 2 had a similar handle.

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Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 03/10/2018 at 5:56pm
You're right, I do love the handle on Arche. As a matter of fact, this is the most comfortable handle I've used in a long while.

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Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 03/16/2018 at 1:34am
Finally glued on an MX-S and MX-P today. I'll be testing this over the next two weeks and then report in

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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 03/16/2018 at 9:04am
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I wish both sides were the Rubicon Veneer to be honest, but I like both sides.  I use high dwell spinny rubbers so I need something that releases the ball really quickly.

The main thing for me is that the handle and balance of the blade fit my play perfectly.  The demerit is the lack of a carbon/composite veneer that adds power when you go for it - on this I agree with SmackDat.  My consistency with it is excellent though.  I will likely go back and forth between it and my Calix 2 for a while.

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It's a really good blade for what it is, actually this blade I would prefer if I could generate more power and/or didn't have to put as much pressure on opponents, great feeling


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Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 03/17/2018 at 1:06am
Hi everyone,

Very short backhand video with Nexy ARCHE blade. my backhand short pimple Flarestorm II..

I'll add full review comments soon..Thank you


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Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 03/18/2018 at 4:44am
Its time to post a first review now.

In the last three weeks I tested the Arche with three different rubbers: Nexy Karis M, Victas V>15 Extra and Nittaku Fastarc G1, always with identical rubbers on fh and bh, although I normally prefer different rubbers on both sides because my strategy is different on both sides. With my forehand I try to open the game from backspin of my opponent as soon as possible (with a longer arm motion) and then I try to win the point with a harder topspin. On backhand I try to open the game with my wrist and then (in the open game) I try to win the point with block, smash and good ball placement. Therefore I prefer a flatter arc on backhand while I need a higher arc on my forehand, because this seems to be one of my biggest problems when I try to loop from backspin.

As Nexy Arche has different outer veneers on forehand and backhand I wanted to know, if there is really a difference between the feeling of both sides, because I have tested some "combination-blades" before and most of them were only named as combi-blades, but the feeling was (more or less) the same.

In my first test with Karis M the feeling was really good on both sides, but something was missing. For example I like Karis M on my Viscaria and I use it since a longer time on backhand. But on Arche it was not the same pleasure to play with. Nevertheless I noticed that there IS a difference between forehand and backhand. The arc is much higher on forehand with this mystic wood. 

I remembered that I tested the Victas V>15 Extra some weeks before on my Viscaria and found it too fast on this blade. Therefore I thought, this could be a good option on the Arche. So I glued it on both sides (2,0 mm) and this was a good step up from Karis, especially on the forehand side. Looping was extremely easy, especially from 1-2m behind the table. In the passive game this combination was still a bit too fast. On the backhand-side I had tons of power with V>15 Extra, but for competition I would prefer a thinner version of this rubber or a slower rubber. To sum up, V>15 Extra fits to the Arche, but I would recommend it for players who mostly play from mid-distance and not near the table.

In the last two weeks I exclusively tested the Arche with Nittaku Fastarc G1 on both sides (and 2,0 mm) and liked this combination from the first moment on. After only one training-session I decided to use it in our next competition game - with success. Smile

Like I wrote before, I usually play with more spin insensitive rubbers on my backhand, but due to the low catapult-effect of G1 and due to the low arc of the Arche backhand side (white ash) I can easily manage to return the opponents attacks. It is only necessary to play the block a little bit active, to place the block in the right way. If you block completely passiv, G1 would be the wrong rubber for you.

It also seems to be very hard for the opponent to open the game if I play with heavy backspin with the G1. The next positive thing is, that it is easier to me to open the game from underpin because of the grip of G1. The only thing, that is missing, is a bit more power on hard smashes with my backhand, but that's ok for me in the moment. For players who are usually playing from mid-distance, G1 would not be the right rubber (and Arche not the right blade), but for me it is a really good choice. I am astonished, but happy with this.

Let us talk about the forehand-side now. I don't know, which kind of wood is used on this side. Andy smith voted for Lati, a kind of "white wenge". Maybe he is right, but it does not matter for me. More important is the fact, that I really like the forehand, because I have a direct feeling and the arc is high enough for me to make it easy to loop from the opponents backspin.

I have tested several Nexy blades before (Lissom, Arirang, Calix, Color, Kanaph, Olam, Oscar, Peterpan, Zealot and Rubicon, Tibhar Inca and Kim Jung Hoon) and this is definitely the Nexy blade, that fits best to me and my game. Thanks a lot to Nexy for developing and introducing this wonderful blade.

My only wish and recommendation to Nexy is, to produce their blades without this crystal in the handle. because 1) it looks cheap, 2) it really bothers during the game and 3) it is not easy to remove or sand it without destroying the beautiful handle.

To all testers, who don't like the Arche, because it is too slow or the feeling is not right for you: please contact me. Maybe you like one of my other blades and we can manage a trade. I would be happy with another Arche for additional rubber-tests. Wink


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Posted By: ThePongProfessor
Date Posted: 03/24/2018 at 1:40am

I apologize for the tardiness of my review. Work has been exceptionally busy, and the regional tournament schedule has rendered testing somewhat challenging. This week, I got (yet another) injury. The Arche is next on my testing schedule.



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Posted By: ThePongProfessor
Date Posted: 04/02/2018 at 1:32am

Thank you to Nexy for the opportunity to evaluate the Arche blade and Arg0 for organizing this test. I apologize for the tardiness of this review. 

Background:  I am 41 yr old with a spin-offensive FH style who uses short pips in my BH. My USATT rating at the time of testing was 2180. 

Introduction: According to Nexy’s marketing material, which can be found here ( http://nexyttstore.com/blade/534-arche.html" rel="nofollow - http://nexyttstore.com/blade/534-arche.html ) and includes high-quality images of the blade, the 7-ply Arche is described as a more powerful version of the Kim Jung Hoon blade, which is sold under the Tibhar brand name. The Nexy Arche is unusual in the sense that it is a combination blade, i.e., it has a asymmetric veneer composition. The FH side has been optimized for “power and drag” producing a long trajectory with a high arc, whereas the BH side has been optimized for “technique and control”.

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The blade comes in Nexy’s standard black box which has red, green and white secondary colors. The packaging is simple, elegant and does a fully adequate job at protecting the blade. On one hand, the blade has a rustic ‘woody’ look to it due to the nature of the surface plies, whereas the handle - with its dark grey primary color and red and white secondary colors, silver tag on the FH side and bottom of the handle, and Nexy’s signature ‘jewel’ - gives it a more modern look. The styles mesh well together in my opinion. The brown surface wood on the FH side of the Arche appears to be of the same type that was used for Nexy’s Rubicon blade (which has been suggested to be Lati), whereas the white surface wood on the BH side looks like white ash. The ‘lati’ ply looks fragile with visible irregular channels in the vertical direction, while the BH top ply has longer and more uniform channels. Nonetheless, the playing surfaces feel smooth and the build quality of the Nexy Arche appears to be very good. The FL handle rested comfortably in my relatively large hands, but is not nearly as embracing as Rubicon’s wide straight (WST) grip . The wings have been slightly sanded for comfort.

The Nexy Arche is a 7-ply all-wood which is a blade type that I have used and tested extensively in recent months. Unfortunately, Nexy does not provide information about the composition of the individual plies, but if I were to guess I would say that the medium-thick core is burnt kiri, which is followed by thin ayous and/or limba layers, and very thin surface plies (lati and white ash for FH and BH, respectively).

The Arche has a head size of 157 x 150 mm and thickness of 5.9 mm. My specimen weighed 85 g. Bouncing a ball on either side of the naked blade produced a pitch that is lower than that of a Tibhar Samsonov Force Pro Black Edition, but higher than that of a DHS Hurricane Long 3 (1378, 1356 and 1324 Hz, respectively).

Testing procedure: I started out by sealing the Nexy Arche with two thin layers of Joola’s Blade Sealing Varnish ( https://www.megaspin.net/store/default.asp?pid=j-sealing-varnish" rel="nofollow - https://www.megaspin.net/store/default.asp?pid=j-sealing-varnish ) as I was concerned about potential splintering (I did not experience any splintering when peeling rubbers off subsequently). I attached well-used sheets of commercial DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (2.15 mm, black) and Spinlord Waran II (2.0 mm, red) short pips on the FH and BH side, respectively, using the Revolution 3 normal viscosity glue. I evaluated the set-up over ~2 sessions, playing a mix of simple drills and matches against my regular practice partners using the DHS 3* 40+ plastic balls. I also evaluated the ‘reverse setup’ in which the H3 Neo was placed on the (white) BH side and the Waran II was on the (brown) FH side around for a session.

Playing impressions: I started with the regular setup, i.e., H3N on the brown side and the Waran II short pips on the white side. FH drives feel crisp, even with the H3N, which normally does not promote this type of feeling. Harder FH drives produce the type of cracking sensation that is consider typical of a burnt kiri core. Contrary to the marketing material (i.e., “drag”), I would characterize the dwell time on the FH side as no more than average. The blade is relatively fast (OFF/OFF- interphase) and the ball pings off relatively quickly. The feeling on BH drives was softer and dwellier, producing a rather long trajectory, which are characteristics that do not fit too well with short pips. FH looping against blocks produces a well-defined contact point, which helped me adjust the bat angle for improved consistency. For the same reason, I also found it easy to FH loop against heavy backspin. The ball has sufficient clearance over the net and a good amount of spin is produced. FH blocking is pleasant again because the contact point is felt clearly. Having played with thicker 7-ply all-wood blades in the recent months, however, it is evident that the Arche is thinner and less capable of fully absorbing incoming energy, especially on BH blocks. Given this, and the soft feeling of the surface veneer, I had difficulties producing consistent BH blocks against very high-quality loops. FH flat hits are delightful to play and rather fast, whereas the characteristics of the BH side lend themselves more towards looping than smashing. Both sides work well in the short game, on serve receives, and for serving. Nothing unusual in either direction.

The reverse setup, i.e., with H3N on the white side and the Waran II short pips on the brown side, produced results that are consistent with (but inverse relative to) my observations with the normal setup. That is, the contact point when using the H3N is softer and less well-defined, resulting in longer trajectories and slightly higher spin levels when looping. However, I prefer clearly define contact points and my consistency decreases whenever that is not the case. BH drives, flat hits and blocks, on the other hand, felt crisp and allowed for precise placement of the ball.

Hands down, I prefer the brown side of the Arche for the direct sensation that it provides and I would have loved to try out the corresponding blade with symmetric veneer composition. My guess is such a blade would feel quite similar to one of the blades from Andro’s old Temper Tech series – probably the OFF with Walnut outers – which has been a recurring favorite of mine.

So, who would enjoy this blade? I think pronounced two-winged loopers using Tenergy or ESN rubbers would enjoy it in reverse orientation (brown in FH, white in FH) as the FH side provides power and precise contact, whereas the softer feeling and longer trajectory of the white side might off-set the lower power levels that normally can be imparted on BH shots. In addition, those players who like white ash outer plies on the FH side (Nittaku Violin; ITC Premier XF/XR) and who uses lower throw rubbers or even short pips in BH, will also like this rubber. The Nexy Arche, being a Hurricane FH and short pips BH player, simply does not suit me.   



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Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 04/02/2018 at 3:38am
Originally posted by patrickhrdlicka patrickhrdlicka wrote:

<span style="text-align: justify;">Hands down, I prefer the brown side of the Arche for the direct sensation that it provides and I would have loved to try out the corresponding blade with symmetric veneer composition. 
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That`s what I meant. The forehand-side is really special, which I have not experienced on any other blade. I really like the feeling.

In the last 2 weeks I continued using Nexy Arche and also used it in competition games - with good success. Nevertheless I still did not find the perfect matching rubber for the backhand-side. Actually I am thinking about testing Fastarc C-1 on backhand. Fastarc G-1 is still perfect for the forehand-side.


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Posted By: Kangp
Date Posted: 04/03/2018 at 12:21pm
Just got back from a business trip so my review was delayed quite a bit.
Finished gluing it up with my normal cpen rubber setup.

FH: DHS Skyline
BH: Yinhe Moon

Will be testing it out later today.


Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 04/06/2018 at 6:06pm
Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

Originally posted by patrickhrdlicka patrickhrdlicka wrote:

<span style="text-align: justify;">Hands down, I prefer the brown side of the Arche for the direct sensation that it provides and I would have loved to try out the corresponding blade with symmetric veneer composition. 
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That`s what I meant. The forehand-side is really special, which I have not experienced on any other blade. I really like the feeling.

In the last 2 weeks I continued using Nexy Arche and also used it in competition games - with good success. Nevertheless I still dod not find the perfect matching rubber for the backhand-side. Actually I am thinking about testing Fastarc C-1 on backhand. Fastarc G-1 is still perfect for the forehand-side.

The forehand side is definitely special.  But am I the only one who also loves the backhand side?  It has the kind of direct, vivid feel I appreciate from harder surfaces, but still has incredible ball grab, and feels very comfortable - never harsh or pingy.  The "point" factor Mr. Moon talks about is a helpful metaphor for me: contact on the ash side is more like feeling something with the tip of a finger than with the palm.  (I don't mean finger vs palm on the blade; I mean the way fingers feel so precise compared to the palm.)

To me, the dark wood/forehand side strikes a different balance between vivid feel and ball grab - this time more on the side of grab.  But the feel is less precise - it's a bit more like a palm.  I love it on the forehand. But I'm not sure I like it as much on the backhand.  

If I had to only pick one surface wood for both sides it would probably be ash for me.  But on the whole, ash side on bh + dark wood fh might remain the better option for me.  This is a combi blade done right!

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Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 04/06/2018 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by patrickhrdlicka

<p =msonormal= style=text-align:justify>The reverse setup, i.e., with H3N on the white side and the Waran II short pips on the brown side, produced results that are consistent with (but inverse relative to) my observations with the normal setup. <b>That is, the contact point when using the H3N is softer and less well-defined, resulting in longer trajectories and slightly higher spin levels when looping.</b> However, I prefer clearly define contact points and my consistency decreases whenever that is not the case. BH drives, flat hits and blocks, on the other hand, felt crisp and allowed for precise placement of the ball.</p>[/QUOTE patrickhrdlicka

The reverse setup, i.e., with H3N on the white side and the Waran II short pips on the brown side, produced results that are consistent with (but inverse relative to) my observations with the normal setup. That is, the contact point when using the H3N is softer and less well-defined, resulting in longer trajectories and slightly higher spin levels when looping. However, I prefer clearly define contact points and my consistency decreases whenever that is not the case. BH drives, flat hits and blocks, on the other hand, felt crisp and allowed for precise placement of the ball.

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It might just be me, but as far as feel goes, my experience has been the opposite.  (I'm using 2x MX-S (1.9mm).) To me the dark (fh) side has the less defined, less pin-pointed feel for the contact point.  

I'd be glad to hear others' take on this point about feel.

(I'm just referring to feel because I wouldn't say I get lower consistency/precision with either, although the higher arc of the dark/lati side doesn't work as well on bh for me - whereas I quite like the ash side on fh too.)

It might just be me, but as far as feel goes, my experience has been the opposite.  (I'm using 2x MX-S (1.9mm).) To me the dark (fh) side has the less defined, less pin-pointed feel for the contact point.  

I'd be glad to hear others' take on this point about feel.

(I'm just referring to feel because I wouldn't say I get lower consistency/precision with either, although the higher arc of the dark/lati side doesn't work as well on bh for me - whereas I quite like the ash side on fh too.)


Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 04/08/2018 at 4:28pm

First of all, I would like to thank Nexy for giving me an opportunity to test Arche, and for providing it to me for free. Also, my apologies for taking so long to write a review - I don't want to give excuses, because they would be lame, or I'd have to lie :^)

Background on me:

I’m a “decent-level” all-round two-wing attacking player (slightly biased towards backhand), who relies mostly on ball placement and spin variation, rather than on power or heavy spin to win points. Since December 2017, my primary blade is Xiom Vega Euro, and I have Nexy Oscar as a backup blade (perhaps because my dog's name is Oscar, LOL).  Prior to switching to Vega Euro, I played with Nexy Calix II for almost two years, until I broke it last fall.  My primary BH rubber for the past two years has been Nexy Karis M. I’ve been experimenting a little bit with FH rubbers – currently using Tibhar Aurus Prime.

Specs and general characteristics:

Flared handle, 82 grams, 7-ply (outer ply on FH and BH are different)

Speed: OFF-/OFF

Flex: Average – Even though it’s a 7-ply blade, it’s relatively thin, so it has more flex than many prototypical 7-ply blades, e.g. Stiga Clipper

Superficial impression:

The blade looks nice to me, but I won’t elaborate on the look, since it’s very subjective and anyone can see it in the picture, or on the packaging, as it doesn’t matter to me that much, and it’s irrelevant to how the blade plays. The blade appears to be very well made, as is the case with all the Nexy blades I’ve had direct contact with.

FL handle is very comfortable, probably the most comfortable FL handle I’ve ever used out of the box, which is helped by the fact that the wigs are slightly rounded and don’t have sharp edges.  Please note that I prefer above average thickness of handles, so people who like very thin handles might not like it as much as I do.

Playing impressions:

I used the blade for several practice sessions with, and in practice matches against, players in 2000-2350 USATT range. Using Arche didn't noticeably improve or worsen my game and practice performance. 

The feeling of BH and FH side is distinctly different, even with the same rubber on both sides.  FH feels harder, faster, and has more rebound, especially on harder shots.  BH feels softer and more absorbing, but still plenty fast for most players, IMO.  To me, the overall feel of the blade was more like a 5-ply (on a harder side) all-wood blade, or a thin carbon/composite blade (e.g. Calix II), than a typical 7-ply blade I’ve used in the past (e.g. Clipper, Kong Linghui Euro)

Stroke adjustments were easy for me, as the blade gave me great feedback and “feel” of the ball.

Short game -  Very predictable - easy to push, drop or flick.  BH banana flick was especially easy, perhaps because it’s a light blade with decent flex. 

Spin generation – Very easy on both sides, but especially on BH, since ball appears to “stick” to the blade a little longer.  Slower spinny shots close to the table were especially easy, as was mid-distance looping. Faster/harder loops obviously required much more effort (body rotation and weight transfer), since this blade isn’t designed to be a power/speed monster.

Blocking – FH block was slightly easier for me, probably because of the harder surface.  BH required more active blocking with some more forward motion, but once executed well it was very consistent and allowed for accurate placement, as the ball sits on the blade a little longer due to softer surface.

Power game – Looping away from the table and smashing are more than adequate for most players (assuming at least some body rotation and weight transfer), but these are not the key attributes of this blade, plus it’s a relatively light blade, so it's more suitable for mid-distance and at the table game.  If you are spending most of the time ripping the ball, it’s probably not a blade for you.

Control – Since it’s a moderately fast and predictable blade with very good feedback, most players will find it very controllable - perhaps except “short-pips hitters”.  I observed that I was able to noticeably extend the length of my rallies when using Arche.

Overall, I think that it’s a very nice blade that could be appreciated by a wide variety of offensive and all-round players at all skill levels, except those who have strong preference for very fast, powerful, heavy, or relatively stiff blades.



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Posted By: Actuar90
Date Posted: 04/17/2018 at 6:00pm
I've been playing with the Arche for the last couple weeks. First impressions were that the blade has a very high quality finish. I wasn't the first person to test the blade and the previous glueing had no effect on the finish and there were no signs whatsoever of any splintering. 
Unfortunately, personally I found the straight handle to be uncomfortably big/square but other testers seem to like it so I guess that's down to personal preference. 

I used Tibhar Mxp on both sides. Using the same rubbers on each side it was clear to see that there is a difference in dwell time and trajectory between each side of the blade. The slight extra dwell on the backhand side did prove particularly effective for flicking. 

I found the feeling from the blade to be pretty good, always felt like I had good control and a lot more safety in my shots, particularly on the FH side. Saying that I actually hoped the feeling would be better, the feeling wasn't as good as some of the recent all wood blades I've tried (like the Cornilleau Simon Gauzy Quest Off) or even some of the innerforce carbon blades (like the Butterfly Liu Shiwen), although I appreciate this can be personal preference. 

The blade excelled at backhand flick and blocking. The feeling and speed of the blade really suited these shoots, especially when taking the ball a little bit early. 
For attacking shots the forehand side gives a really nice arc when looping. The issue when attacking with this blade is the speed, it's not a fast blade. The power delivery is very linear but maxes out very quickly. To be honest for an offensive attacking game it's too slow unless you play right at the table/take the ball very early. Once you get any distance from the table you lose the ability to play winning shots.

Overall, I think its a pretty good blade, the craftsmanship is fantastic, the playing characteristics are most suited to controlled attack or a more passive style. However, taking the price point into consideration I actually think there is better out there or blades with similar playing characteristics for much cheaper. 


Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 04/19/2018 at 2:25am
Here's my review finally. Sorry for being so late with it but the past 8 weeks have been extremely busy for me.
I have now used the Arche for 3 weeks of practice, twice a week, so total play time probably around 12-14 hours. I have only used the Arche in practice sessions, not tournament play.

Rubbers used for testing: Fastarc G1 max FH and BH as well as MX-P/MX-S.

I would class the Arche as a OFF- or ALL+ blade (depending on the side).

Appearance
Very high quality finish and the typical Nexy feel. It's always a pleasure to hold a Nexy in your hand with the exception of the plastic diamond piece that they have embedded into the handle. I literally do not understand why Nexy would do such a thing. It makes the blade uncomfortable without using grip tape. The blade has a decent amount of flex for a 7 ply.

Playing with the Arche
I started the use the blade with two Fastarc G1, both max thickness. The feeling of the Arche is dependent on which side you use. The forehand side feels significantly harder and more springy than the backhand side. I would describe the feeling roughly between bouncing a ball on Koto vs Limba. In some respects, this blade reminded me of the Mizuno Fortius FT, also a 7 ply all-wood blade, because it does not necessarily feel like a 7 ply blade - it could pass as a 5 ply for me in terms of feel.

In regards to speed, the Arche is a very controlled blade. Its significantly slower than what I usually play with and even the harder Forehand side is clearly in OFF- territory. This makes this blade very easy to play with close to the table and the short game is very precise. Pushes are easily controllable and you have a pretty easy time to place them well. If we take the Forehand side as 100%, I'd say the backhand side carries around 80% of it's speed.

What I found difficult to adjust to are the two distinct feelings you get when hitting forehand and then backhand. I got more used to it eventually but it took longer than i expected. I had a hard time "trusting" the blade because i couldnt accurately predict what would happen.

Looping: This blade is very good for looping if you are an average or even advanced player - who usually have a stronger forehand loop than backhand loop. For those players, the forehand side provides them with a good level of directness, lower throw and good spin generation and the backhand side provides great amounts of spin (high dwell) and a higher throw for safety. 

The above however, can also become a little bit of an issue if you are blocking high spin/power shots with your backhand a lot since you will constantly need to readjust blade angle between forehand and backhand when blocking.

As you will have guessed by now, this blade does not suit my personal play style very well. However that doesn't mean its a bad blade. I think for newer and intermediate players or those that are still developing their technique, the Arche can be a great blade. I think it's also a great blade if you aren't sensitive to throw angles and you are looping a lot and your weak stroke is the backhand top spin. I've rarely played a blade that made the BH top spin so easy to play and control.

If you are used to the power of composite blades, I think the Arche will likely be too slow and when your game involves a lot of hitting and smashing, the Arche is likely too flexible for great results in that area.

As always, it depends on the player and what you want out of a blade. The Nexy Arche is fine craftsmanship that offers great control and an interesting ply combination for people who struggle with their BH and like to play a variable offensive game that where top-spin is the primary attack stroke.





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Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 04/19/2018 at 11:42am
I was also extremely busy over the last months, so I tried to comment as much as I could on the thread while knowing I wouldn't write my full review for a while.  Here it is, finally.

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My level isn’t very high, so I will be focusing on aspects of my experience with the blade that I don’t consider to be tied to quirks in my game.  I play an offensive minded looping game, but with more emphasis on placement and spin variation than on all out aggression - so, IMO, among the game styles that Arche suits very well.


(For the folks who want details about playing level, here is more.  Unranked.  My serve and receive game is very weak.  


My looping and short game technique are much better than my playing level - I’m quite new to TT but my background in other racket sports has been helping me ask the right questions in improving my mechanics.


That said, my long term muscle memory for TT is weak, so the quality of my technique varies quite a bit with how much I have been playing on a given week.  I rely much more on short and mid term muscle memory than players with more experience.  So if I don’t play lots on a given week/month it needs to be built back up over a few hours. 


My background with musical instruments makes me particularly attentive to feel, sound, and very interested in blade construction.)


*****


With the blade: 40-60 hours (not sure).  

Rubbers: MX-S 1.9mm on both sides.

Weight: 83g.



*****

BOUNCE TEST OBSERVATION (And the issue of speed relative to other blades)


Frequency on bounce test: 1331hz


For reference, I get the following values on other blades:


  • BBC Flashdrive (88g): 1402hz [Off-/Off 7 ply Koto outer / very thin carbon / 3 ply all-round type core.]  
  • Donic OTC (84g) 1536hz   [Off/Off+ 7 ply Koto outer + ALC type blade. ]
  • Xiom Offensive S (85g) 1404hz; (82g) 1293hz. [Off- 5 ply Limba/Ayous]  
  • Stiga Allround Evolution (92g) 1134 [ALL+ 5 ply Limba/Ayous] 


  • Sanwei Fextra (82g) 1325hz  [Off- 7 Ply Limba/Limba/Ayous-Ayous-Ayous (slight variation on Clipper style - limba under top, instead of ayous + slightly thinner (6.2mm or so))] 


On bounce test, this places it in the range of classic Off- (some would say off-/Off) 5 and 7 ply constructions.  


Among my blades - so from my own tests, with the same equipment  - that’s very close to the sanwei fextra. (Clipper style.)  Slightly above, and and slightly under my two Xiom Offensive S. (There is a broad range among these; based on my observations of similar blades, it seems like the faster 5 ply limba/ayous constructions often have a spread of as much as 100 hz to 200 hz for a same blade model.).  It’s slightly below my off-/off thin carbon outer BBC Flashdrive.  


It’s also about 200hz above the Stiga Allround Evo, and 200hz below the Donic OTC.


From tests run by others ( http://www.ttbla.de" rel="nofollow - Xiom Feel ZX3 (1335hz)

  • Tibhar SPW (1337)
  • Butterfly Innerforce AL (1326)
  • Nexy Calix (1320hz); Color (1320hz) Arirang (1337hz)
  • OSP Virtuoso + (1337hz)
  • ITC Premier XF (1345hz)
  • Nittaku Acoustic (1333hz) + acoustic carbon (1347)
  • Stiga Clipper Wood (1313; 1344); Maplewood (1330)

  • In other words, it’s a value very close to that of 

    • Fast 5 ply wood blades
    • Classic 7 ply wood blades
    • The slower offensive carbon blades - usually inner layer carbon, but in some cases outer.


    This style of bounce test doesn’t give a very thorough picture of what’s going on, and has notorious flaws.  But it’s generally thought to give helpful clues about what to expect about a blade’s speed, especially compared to other blades of a similar speed class, and roughly similar construction.  (There are quirks comparing 1 ply wood blades and 5+2 wood/carbon.  Likewise for defensive, spin reversal blades vs offense oriented blades.  There are also some outliers.  But in many cases there’s quite a bit of overlap in the speed of blades that have very close values on the bounce test.)


    I’m going into details about the bounce test to highlight the following: going through the above reviews, and based on my experience, it seems to me like other people quite consistently rate the blade’s speed in the territory of fast 5-7 ply wood blades (fast, but not the absolute fastest); and slower offensive carbon blades.  Which is exactly what the bounce test suggests.  


    Make of this what you will, but if you are looking for something significantly faster or slower than the blades I just listed, you should probably stay away from Arche.


    *****

    Overall play impressions:


    I found the blade extremely easy to adjust to coming from Off-/Off blades, some with hard outer plies and carbon underneath (BBC Flashdrive), some all wood with softish outer plies (Xiom OFF S, Fextra, etc.)


    To me, the sweet spot feels wider than the classic 5 ply wood blades I’ve used, but not quite as wide as my outer layer carbon blades. But unlike some of the faster blades I have used, (Donic OTC especially, to a lesser extent BBC Flashdrive) the speed of the Arche never seems to cause issues with control.


    It also has great stability under pressure, and very predictable behavior at different speeds. (For me, the BH side seems a little bit better than the forehand on these points.  But both are great.) 


     IMO that’s a very, very nice spot for a blade.


    ******


    Feel Vs Other Blades:


    Very vivid feel.  I seem to get as much information on ball impact (location and depth) as with my most responsive 5 ply wood blades (Allround Evo and Offensive S).  Much, much more than with my more muted feeling blades (Donic OTC and Fextra).  Still more than my BBC Flashdrive, which is extremely vivid and responsive for a 5 + 2 blade.


    To get as good a feel as responsive 5 ply wood blades, but with a wider sweet spot is very impressive.


    To me, blades with soft feeling outer plies tend to grab the ball better than very crisp, hard feeling outer plies.  But high grab, soft feeling outer ply blades can sometimes feel a bit cushy/pillowy to me: giving less information about contact depth and location than I prefer, and feeling like there is sometimes a looser connection between what I’m doing with my body, how the ball feels on the blade, and what the ball does upon leaving the blade.  To me the high grab, but very crisp feel of Arche sits in a fantastic spot on this issue too.


    ******


    Feel differences between the two sides.  


    As many have pointed out, there is a noticeable difference in feel between the two sides.  You can tell from the first shots you make with the blade.  And having let others play with the blade, it doesn’t seem to take any special effort or skillset to notice.  Feel-wise, it’s a lot like using two slightly different rubbers on each side of a symmetric blade. (In terms of behavior, I find the two sides of the Arche to be closer than many rubber combos people feel happy to use, while still being noticeably different.)


    To me the biggest feel difference between the two sides can be put in terms of ball grab and crispness.  The FH side feels like it embraces the ball a bit more, so more grab, but it also feels a tiny bit more cushy.  The BH side feels like it has a bit less grab, while being less cushy.  To be honest, Mr. Moon’s description in the designer notes seems like the best way to describe the difference in feel to me: there is a bit more of a point feel to the way the bh grabs the ball, and a bit more of a plane feel to the way the fh grabs the ball.  (Where the point gives a bit more info on location, but the plane embraces the ball a bit more.)  However, both sides still grab the ball very well while having more than enough crispness.  


    I tried flipping the blade around (I use the same rubber on both sides), but for my money it works best as designed.  Unlike some other reviewers, I can’t say I would prefer the blade with either 2x ash sides, or 2x lati/wenge/mystery wood sides.  I am sure I would still love those too, but the asymmetric design works great for me.



    Posted By: kevo
    Date Posted: 04/26/2018 at 9:53am
    Nexy Arche Review or: A Combo Dream for LP/Anti Players

    As noted in previous reviews, thanks to Nexy for providing the test blade and ArGo for organising the test rota.

    I received the blade two weeks ago and have been using it since, totaling about 6 hours play. 

    I’ll skip the composition details as they’ve been covered in other reviews and skip straight to the review of the playing characteristics.

    Firstly, a word about my style and current setup. I have returned to using—after using the Dr. N Matador for 2 yrs—a Nexy Labyrinthos Combo blade with Tibhar Grass DTecs OX on the BH and Tenergy 05 max on the FH. I play a close to the table long pips blocking, FH attacking game. I play in the 1st Div. of the Dublin regional league where I win roughly 50% of my matches. This sounds better, likely, than it is as we rotate our team’s players based on who we’re playing etc. and I’ve had the same drop in form when using the ABS balls as every other pips/anti user but hey, them’s the breaks…  

    So, with that out of the way, I was eager to give the Arche a try as a combo blade user and a lover of Nexy blades generally. I also thought that my perspective might be somewhat unique in that I would be testing the blade with LPs on the BH side.

    The FH:

    Pros: The FH side of the Arche is a close-to-the-table looper’s dream and reminded me very much of my memories of the Stiga Offensive Classic I used for many years though with maybe a bit faster, bigger, truer, sweetspot. The throw angle with Tenergy is medium high/high—T05 having a high throw itself—and the dwell is lovely and long. There is a real sense of high spin-control about this set-up and a real feeling of ‘this is a top end all-wood blade’ about the Arche FH. The speed is in the All+/Off- level, I would say, but the FH of the Arche is noteworthy for its linear control. You feel you can put the ball exactly where you want no matter how hard you swing, provided you’re relatively close to the table. You get loads of control and spin on serves, much more than with something as hard and crisp and carbony as the Labyrinthos I use now. It’s no speed demon but if you win the bulk of your points with spin, Arche is ideal.

    Cons: No real cons, though you won’t be playing massive counter loops from 20 feet off the table with the Arche. It has decent power close up and from medium distance but after that, you’re gonna want something heavier or with carbon. This ain’t no con, man, it just is what it is! The headsize is somewhat smaller than I’m used to, and might do with being a tad bigger if Nexy intends to tap into the LP/anti user market—which I highly recommend, more anon—but that’s probably just me, used to the Labyrinthos.

    Oh yeah, there is a major con, to do with the handle—and the ST handle is brilliant in the hand as you’d expect of a Nexy which makes this all the more…connish!  What is up with that stupid, plastic, pale blue diamond thingy on the bottom of the FH side of the handle just under the lens? I mean really… It’s bothersome when you feel it—which is not often, admittedly—when you are playing standard FH shots etc. but when you do feel it, twiddling or on certain serves? Totally annoying. Like a bad tooth. It also looks like someone robbed it from a Barbie vajazzle set and stuck it on with Gorilla glue for laughs. If the blade was mine and not a tester, it’d be plucked out like an unopened mussel from a plate of pasta pescatore!

    And now back to the love-in that this review is meant to be…

    The BH:

    Pros: This is where the Arche really shined for me. The backhand had a lovely soft yet stiff, crisp—you get me?—feeling under the OX LPs, giving blocks a nice, linear trajectory. Again, the DTecs is known for this but the blade has a bearing on it too, and the Arche delivers really good backspin off incoming loops. But what’s more, and what makes this the ideal blade for LP users, is how, despite the crisp feel, there is a dampening effect to the Arche BH which I normally associate with balsa. Now, the Arche does not feel like a balsa blocking blade at all. It has far more control and lacks the punch balsa gives when it is engaged offensively. But I would really recommend this blade to the LP user who does not like balsa and prefers controlled blocking and pushing over offensive pip use. I would imagine it would be great under frictionless antispin as well which does not work at all under balsa. It is a light-ish/mid-weight blade—around 80-85 grams—so again, perfect for close to the table blocking. Some other reviews have mentioned the Arche feeling head-heavy but with the LPs it was not the case at all and felt perfectly balanced.

    Cons: Can’t really come up with any. Again, if you’re used to balsa, as I am, it won’t feel/be quite as dangerous as a snappy/full-blown-balsa-blocker-blade but you will land a hell of a lot more of your blocks.  

    Overall: The Arche works really well as a Combo blade. The FH loops lovely and the BH blocks with great control and feeling. Topnotch construction and performance. Highly recommended for LP/Antispin users who also attack with their FHs and for those needing a tiny blue plastic diamond for...something? Anything?

    And now for some of that pasta pescatera… 



    Posted By: Magic_M
    Date Posted: 05/03/2018 at 1:45am
    I still love this blade. Big smile




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    Posted By: arg0
    Date Posted: 05/03/2018 at 3:06am
    I suppose your latest buy is the one on the right, because it still has the blue diamond...!

    Edit: Would you mind commenting on how you removed the diamonds? Other people complained that they are uncomfortable, so maybe they'll want to remove it, as well.


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    Posted By: Magic_M
    Date Posted: 05/03/2018 at 1:42pm
    Of course you are right. Wink The blade on the right side is the newest.
    I will remove the crystal as I did with the first two blades. 
    When I do this, I will make a picture of the "removing-equipment".


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    Posted By: Magic_M
    Date Posted: 05/04/2018 at 5:04am
    For sanding the crystal I used this toy:



    and here you can see the result (comparison between original and sanded crystal):





    The crystal is not completely removed, but it does not bother any more.



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    Posted By: ohwell
    Date Posted: 05/04/2018 at 1:52pm
    Love it Magic_M!!!  Might take my Dremel to it as well.  





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