Some WTTC May tournament photos here:

https://rlondon.smugmug.com/Table-Tennis/Tournaments/Westchester-Open-May-2019/" rel="nofollow - https://rlondon.smugmug.com/Table-Tennis/Tournaments/Westchester-Open-May-2019/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II-PeY5fA3o&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow - Westchester Table Tennis Center May 2019 Open Singles Final - Eugene Wang vs Kazeem Makanjuola - YouTube

My money is on Eugene.

I think it would be close, but I think Kanak would win.

You're comparing a US local Westchester Open to an ITTF Platinum Tour China Open.  Eugene also lost to Jishan Liang at the Cary Cup.  He also lost to Kaden Xu at Westchester Open in January.  So he's not unbeatable in North America.

I bet you didn't watch his game onsite in three times. I am in Cary cup. He called out injury in the game vs Jishan after win 2-1. Jishan has no match to him. I saw they are practicing together before the game. I also watched some of yesterday's games onsite. He is crushing every opponent. I didn't watch Kaden's match in Jan. I think that might mean something. In general, I hope kanak can won. But based on what I have seen so far, he has no chance at al. 

Just found this searching Kanak's ITTF matches:

You're sadly mistaken 

Eugene defaulted. 

Funny. I checked this game. Eugene didn't play. The result is WO.

Please find something else.

The fact that the Korean is playing the tournament says much more than his ITTF ranking which I have explained is not a good measure of playing strength for Asians and Europeans.   You have to dig deeper into other data. Let's see how far this Korean gets in the draw. The Korean has to be one of the top players in Korea to be in this event. When you think about it that way, that is closer to top 100 or top 50 strength on the old list.

Absolutely agree. 

I can't believe people are still using world rankings to decide whether something was an upset or not.

Check this:  https://usatt.simplycompete.com/t/tr/13813?uai=165674&embedded=" rel="nofollow - https://usatt.simplycompete.com/t/tr/13813?uai=165674&embedded=

This person joined six events. He won 1600, 1750, 1900 and in playoff 2000, 2050, 2200..

Do he has international rating? Or the rule changed? 

I think in events, his rating listed as 1530. But official list N/A.

Update: this is not the only one. It seems all 0 rated person can join playoff without any problems.

Last year, Harimoto beat Ma Long on June 10, 2018 at the Japan Open.  His birthday is June 27 so technically he was still 14 years old at the time.

But I don't think Kanak needs luck or an off day from Eugene in order to win.  If and when they do play, I want to see both of them at their best.

I was actually eliminated by this player in the elimination rounds of U1750

he came to the club with an entourage from Canada, so his Canadian rating was converted to USATT but there was obviously a problem with the algorithm cause he was severely underrated!

I just look up his rating, it's under 1200 CAN, so convert to 1530 US is about right.

so he was a professional sand bagger!

or rapidly developing junior player... depending on who you ask haha

Usually you add 200 to 500 pts for the U2000 crowd in Canada, and subtract similar amounts from O2000 Canadians to get their USATT rating. Common wisdom is 2000 is about the same level for the two rating systems. But that's not always right. I know a player with 8xx Canadian and about 1750 USATT.. Lots of U1200 Canadians are underrated when converted to USATT.

Westchester likes to allow unrated players to advance.  They use their estimated ratings from visual assessment which is permitted by USATT.  It is annoying when they get it wrong.  Unfortunately, nothing about the results of this practice has changed their minds.  They have been doing it for years now.

I suspect in this specific case they simply went with taking his Canadian rating and extrapolating it to USATT by whatever rule of thumb, skipping visual assessment.

Unless of course player in question was crafty enough to play dumb during assessment . 

From recent wins and losses, it does not seem like he is under rated.

Loss:

Wins:

Thanks for list. Jude Mackenzie is also in this tournament. He won 2000 with 0 rated. It is consistent with Canada results. From 1600-2200 those six events, it was dominated by two Canada unrated players (they didn't win 2050 and 2200. but causing enough trouble for other players). Is it fair in general? In final rating after tournament Jude: 2132. Laurent: 1981

Ah!  I meant to edit previous post, but some how I quoted myself instead.  Oh well!!!

does the exchange rate between Canadian ratings and US ratings need to be changed like the USD and Canadian dollar from time to time? 

US rating system has an adjustment mechanism after a player lost to a rapidly developing player, but Canada rating system has none. 

What adjustment mechanism are you talking about? Adjustment on which player?

USATT rating system will adjust the rapidly developing player if they've gained more that 50 pts. (50-74 pts.: tier1; 75+ pts: tier2).  Ratings are then recalculated based on this adjusted rating so that you don't lose as many points to the adjusted player since the recalculation is based on the adjusted rating rather than the initial rating:

https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Table-Tennis/Ratings/Rating-System" rel="nofollow - Ratings System Explanation

Same with Canadian system, I believe.  The adjusted player will have a 'T' beside the newly adjusted rating, and the loosers to the player with the 'T' rating will not loose any points.

No matter what rating conversion is,  it is unfair to other players. It is unique to Westchester. It seems the previous post said correctly and they always allow unrated person to advance by visual inspecting players or other ways.

Hmm if they do visual inspection, then yeah I can kind of see how they came up with that number.  His game wasn't anything special (like nothing that jumped out), very consistent, and solid BH.  Still, felt it was a bit unfair oh well.  

That's why Westchester is such a test, you don't know who will show up every month.  

I am pretty sure they assign a rating for unrated player even they don't have rating anywhere and allow them to advance.

I don't know USATT rules much. Base on my limited knowledge, tournament director has power to give unrated player pre-rating such as league rating if they have. But they cannot advance their group in their first US tournament. Anyone know the rule, please correct me.

Sry, "T' means temporary rating in Canadian system. It is for the new player.

When a player is adjusted, the same 'T' appears.

The "T" will be removed after few game

Thanks! The key word is that "recommended". It did "disturbing" to the lower rated player.

SignatureDish81 wrote: Advancing unrated players seems to be frowned upon, but not explicitly condemned, according to Chapter 7 of USATT Tournament Guide on Round Robins: 5. Unrated Players. Round robin play is designed to allow players to play several matches with the best player winning or advancing. 5.a. If you are running rating events and have unrated players win those events, it may be disturbing to the rated players.  5.b. It is recommended to allow unrated players to compete in rating events but not advance if they win their group. Such limitation must be announced in the entry blank, e.g. “Unrated players may enter round robin rating events but will not be permitted to advance from the group. The rated player with the highest finish will advance.“

This will apply if you win all much higher rated players in a tournament as described in this section.

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Chapter 6 of Handbook:

It’s a practice that may disturb rated players and could lead to disgruntled players semi-detailing a thread as they vent frustrations on internet forums. Let the estimated players play, but maybe don’t let them advance to playoffs in their first tournament appearance. They’ll only be unrated once.