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Topic: Westchester TTC 2019 July Open
Posted By: hleett
Subject: Westchester TTC 2019 July Open
Date Posted: 07/29/2019 at 10:27pm
Westchester July Open

A record 192 players, including six rated over 2600. All of Sunday's events were full. The total of prize money awarded at the Westchester Open since 2011 passed half a million dollars. The tournament had its first female champion — China's Juan Liu (rated 2617), who defeated Jiwei Xu (2701) (5,-7,7,7). 

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Open

F: Juan Liu def. Jiwei Xu (5,-7,7,7)

SF: Jiwei Xu def. Sharon Alguetti (8,-10,-10,6,8); Juan Liu def. Gal Alguetti (-3,6,7,9)

QF: Jiwei Xu def. Yutian Wang (8,11,6); Sharon Alguetti def. Makanjuola Kazeem (-11,10,8,8); Juan Liu def. Zhiwen He (-8,5,10,-8,7); Gal Alguetti def. Jayden Zhou (9,7,6)

Round of 16: Jiwei Xu def. Mishel Levinski (8,10,15); Yutian Wang def. Jian Li (-9,-8,9,9,8); Makanjuola Kazeem def. Kokou Fanny (-8,5,8,5); Sharon Alguetti def. Greg Bartz (6,11,9); Zhiwen He def. Cheng Wang (7,3,3); Juan Liu def. Eliel Sosis (6,-8,9,4); Jayden Zhou def. Bowen Chen (10,7,-12,-5,6); Gal Alguetti def. Jishan Liang (-8,-9,7,5,5)





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Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 11:30am
Will there be a video of the final on YT?


Posted By: pgpg
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 11:39am
Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Will there be a video of the final on YT?

Yes, they eventually show up here:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgC3M8aLpzxQUkJiYJN1X2g" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgC3M8aLpzxQUkJiYJN1X2g




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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 11:43am
Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Will there be a video of the final on YT?

Yes, they eventually show up here:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgC3M8aLpzxQUkJiYJN1X2g" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgC3M8aLpzxQUkJiYJN1X2g


Xu didn't look all that happy to have participated in this historic final - probably managed to block the match to be posted on youtube LOL


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 11:57am
Can't be too happyUnhappy when you lost to a lower rated player and $2000.Dead


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 12:10pm
Waiting for the video of the final.
Hope they will post that video SOON.


Posted By: kyle90
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 12:15pm
She also beat He Zhiwen in the QF. Really solid wins for any US player. Would love to see how she’d do against our men’s team. I’m guessing Kanak might be the only one strong enough to beat her.


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 12:33pm
"I’m guessing Kanak might be the only one strong enough to beat her" -Embarrassed ouch


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 1:23pm
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"I’m guessing Kanak might be the only one strong enough to beat her" -Embarrassed ouch

Not really an ouch.  She played NA Teams and she gave Ricardo Walther a good match.  If she were to beat Kanak in a match, it is no biggie,  top level players with her level of experience can do things and know tricks for one match.  It just shouldn't be forever.


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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 2:25pm
Westchester July open's final video was posted - but have problem to bring it up.
It says "This site can't be reached."


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Westchester July open's final video was posted - but have problem to bring it up.
It says "This site can't be reached."
Just watch it on YouTube.


Posted By: pgpg
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Westchester July open's final video was posted - but have problem to bring it up.
It says "This site can't be reached."

Works on YouTube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZ1IqElozk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZ1IqElozk



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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 2:46pm
Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Westchester July open's final video was posted - but have problem to bring it up.
It says "This site can't be reached."

Works on YouTube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZ1IqElozk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZ1IqElozk

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Posted By: cftt-blades
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 3:35pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"I’m guessing Kanak might be the only one strong enough to beat her" -Embarrassed ouch

Not really an ouch.  She played NA Teams and she gave Ricardo Walther a good match.  If she were to beat Kanak in a match, it is no biggie,  top level players with her level of experience can do things and know tricks for one match.  It just shouldn't be forever.

Not sure if "tricks" has much to do with it in her case....9 years in the Chinese Super League, and she has quite a number of highly impressive wins against male players under her belt.  I think she's just an exceptional player.  Not only did she take a game off Walther who is a top 50 in the world player and 2800 USATT, she's also defeated Eugene Wang before...  She just made a 2700+ rated chinese provincial player look relatively average...had no problems with Jiwei's serves at all, kept him relatively off balance with her own serve.  She won so many easy points on her serve, and there were a lot of 5th ball mistakes on Jiwei's part where she got back his opening loop and then missed the corresponding 5th ball (maybe not expecting the initial attack to be blocked or countered)


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Posted By: qpskfec
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 4:30pm
Nothing historic or unusual about this match.

Gao Jun beat many men in open events. Juan winning is not a surprise.


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 4:37pm
Originally posted by qpskfec qpskfec wrote:

Nothing historic or unusual about this match.

Gao Jun beat many men in open events. Juan winning is not a surprise.


With Gao the men could blame the pips. Liu Juan simply has the best serve, best receive, and best forehand in the country. And she apparently just resumed training in June after an 8-month break.


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 4:52pm
"The tournament had its first female champion — China's Juan Liu (rated 2617), who defeated Jiwei Xu (2701) (5,-7,7,7). "  direct quote from the tournament website - first means historic


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 5:42pm
Originally posted by cftt-blades cftt-blades wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"I’m guessing Kanak might be the only one strong enough to beat her" -Embarrassed ouch

Not really an ouch.  She played NA Teams and she gave Ricardo Walther a good match.  If she were to beat Kanak in a match, it is no biggie,  top level players with her level of experience can do things and know tricks for one match.  It just shouldn't be forever.

Not sure if "tricks" has much to do with it in her case....9 years in the Chinese Super League, and she has quite a number of highly impressive wins against male players under her belt.  I think she's just an exceptional player.  Not only did she take a game off Walther who is a top 50 in the world player and 2800 USATT, she's also defeated Eugene Wang before...  She just made a 2700+ rated chinese provincial player look relatively average...had no problems with Jiwei's serves at all, kept him relatively off balance with her own serve.  She won so many easy points on her serve, and there were a lot of 5th ball mistakes on Jiwei's part where she got back his opening loop and then missed the corresponding 5th ball (maybe not expecting the initial attack to be blocked or countered)

By tricks, I mean things not related to ball quality but more related to reading the game.  She wouldn't be as devastating if she wasn't a lefty and a penholder. Her serve and third ball is strong but she doesn't do as well when the power is sufficiently high or the serve well returned and this is what none of her opponents could produce, more because they are playing her for the first time.   The guy she beat is very good but he is not a power player.  I would venture that if they played each other a few times,  some things would start to shift.


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Posted By: shaks
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 9:07pm
That is all great that she took a game of Walter. But she did lose pretty easily to the Frenchie back in the day. I don't think she is better now than she was back then. He told me before playing her he thought he might lose but sneaky player that he is he found some weakness and just played a solid *control* game and beat her. So, Kanak honestly is the fav in my opinion. Also, looking at her record if Adar, Sharon and Li Bochao can beat her Kanak can as well. With all dur respect, just maybe you guys are reading too much into her chinese super league connection :)

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Posted By: Arlo247
Date Posted: 07/30/2019 at 9:51pm
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/31/2019 at 7:28am
Originally posted by shaks shaks wrote:

That is all great that she took a game of Walter. But she did lose pretty easily to the Frenchie back in the day. I don't think she is better now than she was back then. He told me before playing her he thought he might lose but sneaky player that he is he found some weakness and just played a solid *control* game and beat her. So, Kanak honestly is the fav in my opinion. Also, looking at her record if Adar, Sharon and Li Bochao can beat her Kanak can as well. With all dur respect, just maybe you guys are reading too much into her chinese super league connection :)

The timing of the match matters.  She has gone through different playing periods. You do realize that she spent some time having children and coaching before returning to play.  You are looking at results from the earlier period when she returned.

Her game is not easy to get used to according to the people I have spoken to who have played her.  I have seen someone playing a very similar game to her but at a slightly lower level give Zhang Chao trouble. I am just trying to say that losing one match to her is not a big deal.  Even Lily played better against her after the first match.


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Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 12:22am
Anyone noticed how composed Juan Liu was against Gal A. The few matches I’ve seen her play were so calm and relaxed.

Would love to see her play against Kanak.


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Posted By: PingPongHolic10
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 10:21am
[QUOTE=DreiZ]Anyone noticed how composed Juan Liu was against Gal A. The few matches I’ve seen her play were so calm and relaxed.

Would love to see her play against Kanak.
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] https://youtu.be/483RWX4yyX8%20" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/483RWX4yyX8

Especially at 19:25, after service return error because of a wet ball, and was not considered a let.  Think He did it on purpose?  he only wiped his one hand before that point, and that was not his normal routine...


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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 10:25am
"Anyone noticed how composed Juan Liu was against Gal A"- saw the watch and the let incident - don't know the guy (only saw his name a few times) - does he have a bad reputation for his temperment / etiquette ?


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 10:45am
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"Anyone noticed how composed Juan Liu was against Gal A"- saw the watch and the let incident - don't know the guy (only saw his name a few times) - does he have a bad reputation for his temperment / etiquette ?
My first time seeing him play.  Glad she beat the snot out of the snot nose brat.  I do recall seeing his brother, Sharon Alguetti, having an incident as well so apparently it runs in the family.


Posted By: cftt-blades
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 10:57am
I've met the brothers before, though have not talked to Gal specifically.  I have talked several times to Sharon and he could not have been nicer to me and even was willing to hit with me and play a game with me (I'm nowhere near his level, being roughly a 1650-1700 level player). 



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Posted By: purpletiesto
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 11:03am
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"The tournament had its first female champion — China's Juan Liu (rated 2617), who defeated Jiwei Xu (2701) (5,-7,7,7). "  direct quote from the tournament website - first means historic

I thought she was a US citizen? Why does it say China's? Shouldn't it be America's very own? 


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 11:13am
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"Anyone noticed how composed Juan Liu was against Gal A"- saw the watch and the let incident - don't know the guy (only saw his name a few times) - does he have a bad reputation for his temperment / etiquette ?
My first time seeing him play.  Glad she beat the snot out of the snot nose brat.  I do recall seeing his brother, Sharon Alguetti, having an incident as well so apparently it runs in the family.
Had a brain freeze, should have realized he was Sharon's brother - their father did behave well in the videos I previously saw


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 11:18am
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"Anyone noticed how composed Juan Liu was against Gal A"- saw the watch and the let incident - don't know the guy (only saw his name a few times) - does he have a bad reputation for his temperment / etiquette ?
My first time seeing him play.  Glad she beat the snot out of the snot nose brat.  I do recall seeing his brother, Sharon Alguetti, having an incident as well so apparently it runs in the family.
Had a brain freeze, should have realized he was Sharon's brother - their father did behave well in the videos I previously saw
Did or did not?  Did you check out the Sharon Alguetti vs. Marco Navas video on YouTube?


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 12:05pm
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"Anyone noticed how composed Juan Liu was against Gal A"- saw the watch and the let incident - don't know the guy (only saw his name a few times) - does he have a bad reputation for his temperment / etiquette ?
My first time seeing him play.  Glad she beat the snot out of the snot nose brat.  I do recall seeing his brother, Sharon Alguetti, having an incident as well so apparently it runs in the family.
Had a brain freeze, should have realized he was Sharon's brother - their father did behave well in the videos I previously saw
Did or did not?  Did you check out the Sharon Alguetti vs. Marco Navas video on YouTube?
did not behave well - my mistake


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 1:10pm
Odd that she was not given a let.  According to the rules:

2.9.1 The rally shall be a let:
2.9.2.4 because the conditions of play are disturbed in a way which could affect the outcome of the rally.

You'd think a wet ball would fall under this.  


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 1:14pm
Originally posted by PingPongHolic10 PingPongHolic10 wrote:

[QUOTE=DreiZ]Anyone noticed how composed Juan Liu was against Gal A. The few matches I’ve seen her play were so calm and relaxed.

Would love to see her play against Kanak.
[/QUOTE

] https://youtu.be/483RWX4yyX8%20" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/483RWX4yyX8

Especially at 19:25, after service return error because of a wet ball, and was not considered a let.  Think He did it on purpose?  he only wiped his one hand before that point, and that was not his normal routine...
does anyone know the actual explanation why the let was denied? 


Posted By: mjamja
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 2:11pm
On the video captioning said the let was given.  Scoreboard did not show this, but since she won next 2 points you can not tell if they really restarted at  9-8 (let given) or 9-9(let not given).  Since Gal was yellow carded, I would assume the let was given on a point he thought he had won.  


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 2:19pm
Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

On the video captioning said the let was given.  Scoreboard did not show this, but since she won next 2 points you can not tell if they really restarted at  9-8 (let given) or 9-9(let not given).  Since Gal was yellow carded, I would assume the let was given on a point he thought he had won.  
Even though the video captioning said a let was given, it appears that it was not actually given.  When they played the next point after the controversy, the scoreboard showed 9-9 with Juan serving.  If a let was allowed, then Gal would be serving again at 8-9.  

Edit: Gal was frustrated by the situation regardless of whether or not he was given the point.


Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

On the video captioning said the let was given.  Scoreboard did not show this, but since she won next 2 points you can not tell if they really restarted at  9-8 (let given) or 9-9(let not given).  Since Gal was yellow carded, I would assume the let was given on a point he thought he had won.  


Of course you can. The serve changed.

This is pretty much classic Alguetti behavior, all of them including the father, not really a surprise at this point.


Posted By: mjamja
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 2:29pm
The scoreboard was incorrect several times during the match so I was not sure whether to believe it or the caption.  

Were you at the match and saw what was called?

If the let was given, I kind of understand Gal's reaction.  If the let was not given then it seems like a poor reaction.



Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 2:33pm
but we still don't know why the let was not given


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 2:45pm
Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"The tournament had its first female champion — China's Juan Liu (rated 2617), who defeated Jiwei Xu (2701) (5,-7,7,7). "  direct quote from the tournament website - first means historic

I thought she was a US citizen? Why does it say China's? Shouldn't it be America's very own? 

It's fixed already, you can stop trolling.

July Open

A record 192 players, including six rated over 2600. All of Sunday's events were full. The total of prize money awarded at the Westchester Open since 2011 passed half a million dollars. The tournament had its first female champion — Juan Liu (rated 2617), who defeated Jiwei Xu (2701) (5,-7,7,7). 



Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 2:47pm
Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

The scoreboard was incorrect several times during the match so I was not sure whether to believe it or the caption.  

Were you at the match and saw what was called?

If the let was given, I kind of understand Gal's reaction.  If the let was not given then it seems like a poor reaction.

If a let was given, Gal would be serving again (since he was serving the point that had the wet ball incident) ..... do you agree?  Juan served the next two points.


Posted By: mjamja
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 2:47pm
Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

On the video captioning said the let was given.  Scoreboard did not show this, but since she won next 2 points you can not tell if they really restarted at  9-8 (let given) or 9-9(let not given).  Since Gal was yellow carded, I would assume the let was given on a point he thought he had won.  


Of course you can. The serve changed.

This is pretty much classic Alguetti behavior, all of them including the father, not really a surprise at this point.

Thanks.  Totally missed that.


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

The scoreboard was incorrect several times during the match so I was not sure whether to believe it or the caption.  

Were you at the match and saw what was called?

If the let was given, I kind of understand Gal's reaction.  If the let was not given then it seems like a poor reaction.

I think it was a bad reaction regardless of the let outcome  and is really beyond comprehension since it seems the let was not allowed


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 3:02pm
Everyone looking dazed and confused... LJ throws the ball to Gal so he can serve at 8-9, he slaps it back to her, and she gets ready to serve... At that point the umpire seems to call out a score of 9-8 while the scoreboard shows 9-9, and Gal protests or argues or whatever. My guess is that LJ simply accepted the 9-9 and focused on winning the next 2 points to send the kid home to cry.


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Everyone looking dazed and confused... LJ throws the ball to Gal so he can serve at 8-9, he slaps it back to her, and she gets ready to serve... At that point the umpire seems to call out a score of 9-8 while the scoreboard shows 9-9, and Gal protests or argues or whatever. My guess is that LJ simply accepted the 9-9 and focused on winning the next 2 points to send the kid home to cry.

that is a good explanation for the slap back (still bad manners) but still doesn't explain why the let was denied.  I guess Liu didn't really wanted to argue since she was confident of taking care of him.


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 3:21pm
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Everyone looking dazed and confused... LJ throws the ball to Gal so he can serve at 8-9, he slaps it back to her, and she gets ready to serve... At that point the umpire seems to call out a score of 9-8 while the scoreboard shows 9-9, and Gal protests or argues or whatever. My guess is that LJ simply accepted the 9-9 and focused on winning the next 2 points to send the kid home to cry.

that is a good explanation for the slap back (still bad manners) but still doesn't explain why the let was denied.  I guess Liu didn't really wanted to argue since she was confident of taking care of him.

The video is edited and doesn't show the umpire's decision. But to me it seems like the umpire thought he had given a let and that the score was 9-8 (that's what I hear twice in the video). He must have forgotten that it was Gal's serve, although that was the root of the problem.

Do Westchester tournaments use someone to operate the scoreboard but not a scorekeeper/assistant referee near the table? And do they never play best of 7?


Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Everyone looking dazed and confused... LJ throws the ball to Gal so he can serve at 8-9, he slaps it back to her, and she gets ready to serve... At that point the umpire seems to call out a score of 9-8 while the scoreboard shows 9-9, and Gal protests or argues or whatever. My guess is that LJ simply accepted the 9-9 and focused on winning the next 2 points to send the kid home to cry.

that is a good explanation for the slap back (still bad manners) but still doesn't explain why the let was denied.  I guess Liu didn't really wanted to argue since she was confident of taking care of him.

The video is edited and doesn't show the umpire's decision. But to me it seems like the umpire thought he had given a let and that the score was 9-8 (that's what I hear twice in the video). He must have forgotten that it was Gal's serve, although that was the root of the problem.

Do Westchester tournaments use someone to operate the scoreboard but not a scorekeeper/assistant referee near the table? And do they never play best of 7?

There is someone that does the scoring usually in Open matches but is not an assistant ref. And only best out of 5.


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Posted By: pgpg
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 3:27pm
Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

...
Do Westchester tournaments use someone to operate the scoreboard but not a scorekeeper/assistant referee near the table? And do they never play best of 7?

There is someone that does the scoring usually in Open matches but is not an assistant ref. And only best out of 5.

Also, quite frequently large TV display takes its sweet time to catch up to the score entered on an iPad. Saw it quite a few times in person - not sure if that's what happened in this match though.


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Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"Anyone noticed how composed Juan Liu was against Gal A"- saw the watch and the let incident - don't know the guy (only saw his name a few times) - does he have a bad reputation for his temperment / etiquette ?
My first time seeing him play.  Glad she beat the snot out of the snot nose brat.  I do recall seeing his brother, Sharon Alguetti, having an incident as well so apparently it runs in the family.

If you've been in NJ/NY TT scene past 5-7 years you probably seen how they were raised. Nothing unusual about their behavior on court. Loud cheering, choing on nets/lets, erratic reactions is standard Alguetti behavior (this extends to the parents as well). I think small part of it is cultural and part "winning comes at all cost" attitude. 

Off court they seem really nice though. 


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Posted By: mentortt
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 4:00pm
I saw those brothers play before. On court, they are totally different. Shouting and arguing ..... most those emotions happen when they are down in the game.

But I agree off court, they are very nice person. 


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 5:06pm
I guess if you love HT's on/off court behaviour patterns, you have to love the brothers as well


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 5:10pm
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

I guess if you love HT's on/off court behaviour patterns, you have to love the brothers as well


Quite different cases. HT doesn't celebrate nets and edges, for one. And I don't think he makes the ball wet on purpose.


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 5:12pm
Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

I guess if you love HT's on/off court behaviour patterns, you have to love the brothers as well


Quite different cases. HT doesn't celebrate nets and edges, for one. And I don't think he makes the ball wet on purpose.
no to the nets and edges and ball wet but he does celebrate opponents' unforced errors


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 5:18pm
Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

I guess if you love HT's on/off court behaviour patterns, you have to love the brothers as well


Quite different cases. HT doesn't celebrate nets and edges, for one. And I don't think he makes the ball wet on purpose.
Agreed. Cho'ing to pump yourself up is completely different than slapping the ball in the direction of your opponent.


Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 5:31pm
There are countless incidents of Alguettis directly disrespecting opponents and having questionable integrity. Not the case for Harimoto. Try again. 


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 5:38pm
Guys, not comparing the different deeds done by them but the on / off court reversals of behaviour


Posted By: purpletiesto
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"The tournament had its first female champion — China's Juan Liu (rated 2617), who defeated Jiwei Xu (2701) (5,-7,7,7). "  direct quote from the tournament website - first means historic

I thought she was a US citizen? Why does it say China's? Shouldn't it be America's very own? 

It's fixed already, you can stop trolling.

July Open

A record 192 players, including six rated over 2600. All of Sunday's events were full. The total of prize money awarded at the Westchester Open since 2011 passed half a million dollars. The tournament had its first female champion — Juan Liu (rated 2617), who defeated Jiwei Xu (2701) (5,-7,7,7). 




Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 7:02pm
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

I guess if you love HT's on/off court behaviour patterns, you have to love the brothers as well


Quite different cases. HT doesn't celebrate nets and edges, for one. And I don't think he makes the ball wet on purpose.
no to the nets and edges and ball wet but he does celebrate opponents' unforced errors
Please provide link to video if you're going to make that claim.  I could be wrong, but I don't recall him celebrating his opponent's missed serve.  


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

I guess if you love HT's on/off court behaviour patterns, you have to love the brothers as well


Quite different cases. HT doesn't celebrate nets and edges, for one. And I don't think he makes the ball wet on purpose.
no to the nets and edges and ball wet but he does celebrate opponents' unforced errors
Please provide link to video if you're going to make that claim.  I could be wrong, but I don't recall him celebrating his opponent's missed serve.  
in order not to seem prejudiced against HT, name 3 famous opponents, and I will send you the video reference asked for (if found).  The response will be some time tomorrow unless I have time tonight.  BTW I didn't say missed serve, I said unforced errors, which includes errors not caused by a great shot by HT - if you insist on missed serve then I wouldn't bother to look


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 7:31pm
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

I guess if you love HT's on/off court behaviour patterns, you have to love the brothers as well


Quite different cases. HT doesn't celebrate nets and edges, for one. And I don't think he makes the ball wet on purpose.
no to the nets and edges and ball wet but he does celebrate opponents' unforced errors
Please provide link to video if you're going to make that claim.  I could be wrong, but I don't recall him celebrating his opponent's missed serve.  
in order not to seem prejudiced against HT, name 3 famous opponents, and I will send you the video reference asked for (if found).  The response will be some time tomorrow unless I have time tonight.  BTW I didn't say missed serve, I said unforced errors, which includes errors not caused by a great shot by HT - if you insist on missed serve then I wouldn't bother to look

"unforced errors" is a problematic notion - you can't tell from the outside what caused an error and if the opponent has a reason to celebrate or not.


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 7:42pm
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

I guess if you love HT's on/off court behaviour patterns, you have to love the brothers as well


Quite different cases. HT doesn't celebrate nets and edges, for one. And I don't think he makes the ball wet on purpose.
no to the nets and edges and ball wet but he does celebrate opponents' unforced errors
Please provide link to video if you're going to make that claim.  I could be wrong, but I don't recall him celebrating his opponent's missed serve.  
in order not to seem prejudiced against HT, name 3 famous opponents, and I will send you the video reference asked for (if found).  The response will be some time tomorrow unless I have time tonight.  BTW I didn't say missed serve, I said unforced errors, which includes errors not caused by a great shot by HT - if you insist on missed serve then I wouldn't bother to look
I'm not particular on the opponent. I specifically mentioned missed serve because I can't think of anything else other than nets, edges, and missed serves as unforced. If his opponent misjudges the spin or lack of spin, then I don't consider that unforced. Other pros cho on those points as well such as a push that goes into the net.  Otherwise, you can simply say he cho'd on what you consider a not so great shot. The standard has to be pretty high if you're attempting to show that he's disrespecting his opponent. If he's doing garbage like what Gal did at Westchester, then I'll agree with you. 


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 8:56pm
'Quite different cases. HT doesn't celebrate nets and edges, for one. And I don't think he makes the ball wet on purpose.'

pongfu, please see above by amateur saying what is not worth celebrating over - which I agree with-which is contrary to your thinking of what is worth celebrating -   then  like I said against that kind of reasoning I won't be doing any kind of looking - a waste of time


Posted By: pongfugrasshopper
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 9:03pm
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

'Quite different cases. HT doesn't celebrate nets and edges, for one. And I don't think he makes the ball wet on purpose.'

pongfu, please see above by amateur saying what is not worth celebrating over - which I agree with-which is contrary to your thinking of what is worth celebrating -   then  like I said against that kind of reasoning I won't be doing any kind of looking - a waste of time
I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.  I'm in agreement that nets and edges are not worth celebrating .... and I would add missed serves.... those are unforced errors.  I have no idea why you'd think that I think those are worth celebrating.  You said he celebrated his opponents' unforced errors.  I'm saying he doesn't.  Anyway, not worth arguing over.


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/01/2019 at 10:01pm
Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

'Quite different cases. HT doesn't celebrate nets and edges, for one. And I don't think he makes the ball wet on purpose.'

pongfu, please see above by amateur saying what is not worth celebrating over - which I agree with-which is contrary to your thinking of what is worth celebrating -   then  like I said against that kind of reasoning I won't be doing any kind of looking - a waste of time
I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.  I'm in agreement that nets and edges are not worth celebrating .... and I would add missed serves.... those are unforced errors.  I have no idea why you'd think that I think those are worth celebrating.  You said he celebrated his opponents' unforced errors.  I'm saying he doesn't.  Anyway, not worth arguing over.
sorry, I missed the part where you included  net and edges with the service error.   You did use service error as the only example  of an unforced error in a previous post.  Think we won't come to an agreement of what errors  are worth celebrating.  I still might give an example. 



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