vacuum storage bags to store TT rackets
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Topic: vacuum storage bags to store TT rackets
Posted By: blahness
Subject: vacuum storage bags to store TT rackets
Date Posted: 07/27/2022 at 9:23pm
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Wanted to test this theory out. Since rubber degradation has a lot to do with oxidation, why not just remove the source of oxygen and simply store it in a vacuum bag? Has anyone tried this before? ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 07/27/2022 at 10:31pm
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I didn't but this is a very good idea for the people seldom playing. For those who train, their play may destroy the rubbers before any oxidation has a chance to kick in however the price of a vacuum bag is nothing compared to what we spend on rubbers so why not since the benefit is not null and the routine is easy to install? You may go further and introduce an anti http://mytabletennis.net/forum/dr-neubauer-pressure-box_topic79681.html" rel="nofollow - pressure box maybe? (btw did that thing ever work LOL) ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: thethinker
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 1:57am
| I had some rubbers at the start of covid put away and they didn't do too well (small amount of oxidation). Perhaps I should have gotten fresh clean bags. Also some rubbers shrunk a lot. So the bags don't help that part. I don't know what to do with small rubbers that can't be play. |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 2:39am
Were they all vacuum bags? ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
thethinker wrote:Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 5:49am
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Storing porous sponge in a vacuum is not a good idea because of permeation. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 6:04am
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Adhesive protection sheets work very well and are simpler to use. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: thethinker
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 6:20am
| Only used ziploc bags. |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 6:57am
Could you elaborate? I'm not too sure if I understand.... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 6:58am
These protect the topsheet, but doesn't prevent the sponge itself from hardening. I have like a 4 mth old D09c which is becoming close to unplayable fml... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 12:10pm
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To keep it short, the pressure difference will cause the gas within the cells to escape to the void between the topsheet and sponge at a faster rate than it would if it were stored at atmospheric pressure. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 1:22pm
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Check out this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ1S0KUPW9o" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ1S0KUPW9o ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 2:55pm
| I can't think of a practical method to keep your rubber from oxidizing. Most people don't have a convenient source of nitrogen or argon at home. I think zeio is right that a vacuum would deflate the sponge, but maybe you only need a slight vacuum? Maybe there is a middle ground somewhere? |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 5:36pm
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 5:37pm
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I like that guy on fb and yt, it's really cool he can make a living doing this. http://www.youtube.com/c/TheActionLab/search?query=vacuum" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/c/TheActionLab/search?query=vacuum ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 5:52pm
Maybe some boosting will soften it up enough? It just doesn't produce that insane spin it did for the 1st 3 months.... I have a decent job so I don't mind that much  ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 5:54pm
Would this ruin the rubber though, isn't this a reversible process? ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 7:59pm
Yes you're right, but in my experience the degradation of the topsheet is usually far worse than the sponge. When you buy a new rubber, most are in a plastic packet that's got a few holes in it, so I can't see how degradation due to oxidation can happen that quickly. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 07/28/2022 at 9:06pm
Possibly irreversible if it damaged the walls of the pores in the sponge?
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 09/07/2022 at 7:48pm
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Update on this - I stored my racket in a vacuum storage bag (with quite a decent vacuum) for a week. I opened the bag and played with the setup yesterday night. Some thoughts: 1) It definitely felt very different - the vacuum process did quite a number to the rubber. This almost feels a bit like boosting the rubber as the rubber felt very elastic and lively (it was going increasingly dead on me). I was getting some insane spin, even more than usual... 2) However there seems to be a reduction in the sweet spot area - I think the vacuum process somehow caused some glue detachment on the sides. Ideas on why these have happened? ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 09/08/2022 at 5:08am
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I bought a goon looking bag you were suppose to breath c02 into (silly gimmicky thing from butterfly I think). If you use tacky rubbers especially buy some contact, nothing restores and cleans it better after whatever else you use to get the first visible stuff off. $2 a roll  If it's your playing bat just put it in a case... or storage if you are worried about the sponge a sandwich bag. As I have mentioned before, for me the most noticable difference of the sponge feeling dead when you play is when its cold. So keep it under your shirt for a while before competition. Not much else you can do... And or reboost it... But I reckon we damage them every time we pull them off and put them down again. ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |