I looked at TTdaily recent review of Rakza Z and was bismally disappointed to see he rated it as poor.

I was considering MX-S the spinnier version but less catapulty version of MX-P... it's going to be I imagine a heavy non-tacky not anything like 09c but it might play similar to 05 I guess from the reviews and at half the price.

Finally, if you can give up the need for catapult and willing to step up to a fast carbon blade to do the speed part of the equation, there is a new world of much cheaper Chinese rubbers for you to try.

Catapult in itself should not be something that anyone needs.  Speed/spin ratios that suit are the goal.

From what I read from reviews 09c is slow at the slow end and fast at the fast end.  = that sounds like a Chinese rubber on a carbon blade to me.

Try Hurricane 8 = $35 delivered from Aliexpress.

K3 is a good rubber but in my experience the sponge feels a fair bit softer than the 09C.

How is the spin, I know D09c is an absolute spin monster (when new haha)...

What blade did you try it on?

09c has absolutely insane amounts of spin (only Hurricane rubbers have more spin imo...). And yes, it is slow at the slow end and fast at the fast end (I hit my best winners with it). 

I used to use Chinese rubber quite a lot but it is a pain to use with slower blades too, I'm a bit tempted to go your way tbh, Chinese rubber on a fast blade, one of my friends had Hurricane 8 with Primorac carbon and I felt it was a good setup actually...

Donic Dicon which is a limba outer 5 ply wood blade, off- good looping controllable blade. I was testing the K3 on the same blade as the 09C. Compared to the 09C the K3 felt a bit mushy and inconsistent. May not be a good paring of the blade and rubber. I think K3 would perform better on a stiffer blade.

I'd say that spin is definitely comparable. I have only tried DNA Platinum M on the same blade (Donic Dicon) as the 09C. Spin is similar, more speed in the 09C, but with a H or XH I think they would play very similar. I found the 09C too unforgiving and not enough dwell time on my backhand whereas the Platinum M is so consistent and generates great spin. 

There is one element I should have added to the spin/speed ratio...

throw angle/trajectory

I for the life of me can't work out consistant heights and lengths when I use full power fh against counter loops.  

MXP catapult crazy long with a lower trajectory = small window 

Chinese rubbers seem the same.

That is something I would hope these hybrid rubbers have got right with a high throw angle similar to something like 05 would be magic for me. 

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The worst thing about anything dwelly and/or tacky though is flat hitting flat through those higher balls.  Instead of just worrying about belting them, with a tacky rubber you got to worry about the spin they have put on them.  TO5 still is perfectly positioned between surface grip dwell without worrying about surface cleaning constantly too....

I know I'm going slightly off topic here, but the root of the equation is finding the perfect FH rubber.  For me at least haha.

I did not boost at all. Tbh I was shocked, because my previous D09c lasted well over a year. I am boosting it now to get some more usable life out of it. It's just like a brick now....

Yeah with the tacky/dwelly rubbers you can never flat hit against these opportunity balls, it's always a "smash touch" powerloop (to borrow the term from PechPong) for any higher balls. They're just too sensitive to incoming spin that if you don't "cancel" it out, the smashes are uncontrollable. It's a weakness of these rubbers for sure. I need tons of spin in general because it's the only factor that makes my shots land on the table (coz I powerloop a lot) and also makes my service much more deadly. 

Good suggestion. 

I am using Victas Triple Double Extra (TDE) and loving it. Spin-wise, it is similar to H3 (has the Chinese top sheet likely from the 709 brand famous for tackiness) but speed-wise to T05 that I was using and is very poor in control due to its bounciness. TDE excels in control. After the switch, my game, which is mostly short, has improved a lot. I have never used V20 DE and am wondering how TDE and V20 DE compare to each other in terms of spin, speed, and control.

Before V20 DE came out I was considering going with TDE. It's important to note that, despite the name, TDE is 5 degrees harder than than V20. TDE is gonna have much more spin because of the top sheet, but the speed is significantly slower. Here's a rough comparison from Takkyu-Navi, where both rubbers now have 21 reviews (Overall/Speed/Spin/Control).

The true selling point of V20 is that its control is unparalleled for a rubber than produces as much spin and speed as it does. Also, the feeling is really great despite the 52.5 degree sponge (it does not feel nearly that hard). I think for now it's my go-to rubber for the foreseeable future, but I'm also super tempted by Platinum XH and Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect.

on viscaria and ovtcharov alc.

also, on viscaria i tried it on the backhand, it's a bit more difficult to use but blocks and openings are very dangerous for the opponent.

After receiving with a slow loop or flip i get a nice ball on the forehand

So it seems V20, a non-tacky rubber, is more similar to T05 at the speed front but with much better control. Will try it definitely. Thanks for the input.

Do you purchase both from the same seller? Played in the same conditions?

samee!!!!!!!!!!!

how is the speed? i ordered one from china but it is going to take a while to be delivered

Less bouncy than modern ESN Tensor (Bluestorm, Rasanter...) therefore less speed when doing slow and medium speed shots.

i am considering using it on the bh side but am worried it's going to be like how i tried to use 37 degree hurricane on bhb(it was spiny but not fast because my bh was not strong enough to engage the sponge)

I just ordered one for my Cybershape blade haha...