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    Posted: 03/02/2021 at 9:46pm

WTT Doha will be starting the main draw in several hours, and from what I’ve seen on social media, many people either do not know the event is happening or have no idea what is going on in this event due to low quality media coverage by ITTF/WTT.

If you or your friend are looking for serious, quality written coverage that doesn’t dance around the massive China-sized elephant in the room at WTT Doha and match recaps that actually tell you what happened in a match as opposed to essentially just restating the score and saying “ great rallies”, please consider following along at EdgesAndNets.com.

Here is all the coverage my blog has written so far:

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Note some of the previews may be out of date due to China’s sudden withdrawal from WTT Doha.

I apologize if this post comes off as a bit too self-promoting, but I do believe I am providing a non-trivial contribution and significantly better written coverage than ITTF/WTT.

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Hi,

It is 12:30 a.m. Eastern (USA) March 3rd and I don't see any live streaming option of the main draw on the ITTF WTT website.

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Much better writing than any of the ITTF articles for sure. Would love more analysis, stats, etc... and you can get a job as a pro commentator lol
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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

It is 12:30 a.m. Eastern (USA) March 3rd and I don't see any live streaming option of the main draw on the ITTF WTT website.

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On their YouTube channel the Draw live streaming are labeled this way:

WTT Contender Doha Table 2 Day 1 Session 2

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Oh yes the Youtube Live stream fell apart for US viewers last night. Their social media is full of people like me whining so it should be up and running again. The official WTT live stream of Table 1 seems more reliable and it has live commentary too (but not by Adam Bobrow) and can be viewed at https://worldtabletennis.com/livevideo (free registration required)

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Levenko vs Pitchford Full Recap here (pitchford lost but he was minorly injured): https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/03/...pitchford-3-1/
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And I'm wondering if we will ever see the Table one matches?
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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

And I'm wondering if we will ever see the Table one matches?


They are broadcast live at https://worldtabletennis.com/livevideo but it seems there are no recordings
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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

It is 12:30 a.m. Eastern (USA) March 3rd and I don't see any live streaming option of the main draw on the ITTF WTT website.

Thanks.



On their YouTube channel the Draw live streaming are labeled this way:

WTT Contender Doha Table 2 Day 1 Session 2

The stupid thing is that WTT updates their schedule daily. Now, we cannot find out who was playing in those streams unless you watched it.
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Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

It is 12:30 a.m. Eastern (USA) March 3rd and I don't see any live streaming option of the main draw on the ITTF WTT website.

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On their YouTube channel the Draw live streaming are labeled this way:

WTT Contender Doha Table 2 Day 1 Session 2

The stupid thing is that WTT updates their schedule daily. Now, we cannot find out who was playing in those streams unless you watched it.


If you go to the original ITTF website that they no longer promote, the schedule is there lol  https://results.ittf.com/ittf-web-results/html/TTE5277/results.html#/results
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The seeding issue is a big problem and in my view something that was done simply to make matches more attractive to gambling since it makes the early rounds less predictable. 
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Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

The seeding issue is a big problem and in my view something that was done simply to make matches more attractive to gambling since it makes the early rounds less predictable. 

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Hi,

On the men's side, in the Round of 16, Harimoto wins over Lee Sangsu.

Too bad the commoners won't be able to watch Harimoto play in this tournament.

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FYI they have highlights of the table 1 matches on the wtt homepage (https://worldtabletennis.com/home) that are not available on youtube
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Originally posted by Basquests Basquests wrote:

Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

The seeding issue is a big problem and in my view something that was done simply to make matches more attractive to gambling since it makes the early rounds less predictable. 

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Tongue

A lot of truth there ... but in this instance I genuinely think that one of the main drivers of all the change is making the product more attractive to Asian TV networks and gambling. I heard it on a podcast so it must be true.
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Some controversial/ interesting points so far, I look forward to blog posts dealing with all of them Wink

- What happened to Wang Yang? The website said he was disqualified for not following covid guidelines. Did this happen during a match or was it a quarantine issue? Also, the covid hygiene concept seems to be quite interesting here, lots of players blowing on the one ball, ends being changed, etc. I suppose since everyone there is tested a few times that is OK?

- Austria's Levenko couldn't deal with his Cho Daeseong's hidden serves and kept on popping them up, pushing them off the end or dumping them in the net. He was yellow carded for his vocal complaints but somehow escaped another card when he voiced his dissatisfaction again. Levenko then decided to use his best hidden serves himself which Cho couldn't deal with either. In the end Cho served Levenko off and Levenko told the umpire that her "eyes are so bad!" 

I do feel for Levenko, imagine being in such good form only to then be beaten by hidden serves. 
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Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Some controversial/ interesting points so far, I look forward to blog posts dealing with all of them Wink

- What happened to Wang Yang? The website said he was disqualified for not following covid guidelines. Did this happen during a match or was it a quarantine issue? Also, the covid hygiene concept seems to be quite interesting here, lots of players blowing on the one ball, ends being changed, etc. I suppose since everyone there is tested a few times that is OK?

- Austria's Levenko couldn't deal with his Cho Daeseong's hidden serves and kept on popping them up, pushing them off the end or dumping them in the net. He was yellow carded for his vocal complaints but somehow escaped another card when he voiced his dissatisfaction again. Levenko then decided to use his best hidden serves himself which Cho couldn't deal with either. In the end Cho served Levenko off and Levenko told the umpire that her "eyes are so bad!" 

I do feel for Levenko, imagine being in such good form only to then be beaten by hidden serves. 


Thanks for the tip! I wrote a recap of the Levenko vs Cho match (https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/04/officiating-controversy-plagues-cho-daesongs-3-2-win-over-andreas-levenko/) and did an informal Instagram poll in which 65 percent of people thought Levenko's serves were not illegal. However, one player at the event said that they felt that Levnko's serves were illegal.

As for the COVID stuff, there seemed to be some chaos on opening day, but ITTF/WTT seems to prefer being tight-lipped on what happened. Although I would love to know if it's something juicy like a sex scandal happened regarding Wang Yang, at the moment I will not pry into it.
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Originally posted by edgesandnets edgesandnets wrote:

Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Some controversial/ interesting points so far, I look forward to blog posts dealing with all of them Wink

- What happened to Wang Yang? The website said he was disqualified for not following covid guidelines. Did this happen during a match or was it a quarantine issue? Also, the covid hygiene concept seems to be quite interesting here, lots of players blowing on the one ball, ends being changed, etc. I suppose since everyone there is tested a few times that is OK?

- Austria's Levenko couldn't deal with his Cho Daeseong's hidden serves and kept on popping them up, pushing them off the end or dumping them in the net. He was yellow carded for his vocal complaints but somehow escaped another card when he voiced his dissatisfaction again. Levenko then decided to use his best hidden serves himself which Cho couldn't deal with either. In the end Cho served Levenko off and Levenko told the umpire that her "eyes are so bad!" 

I do feel for Levenko, imagine being in such good form only to then be beaten by hidden serves. 


Thanks for the tip! I wrote a recap of the Levenko vs Cho match (https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/04/officiating-controversy-plagues-cho-daesongs-3-2-win-over-andreas-levenko/) and did an informal Instagram poll in which 65 percent of people thought Levenko's serves were not illegal. However, one player at the event said that they felt that Levnko's serves were illegal.

As for the COVID stuff, there seemed to be some chaos on opening day, but ITTF/WTT seems to prefer being tight-lipped on what happened. Although I would love to know if it's something juicy like a sex scandal happened regarding Wang Yang, at the moment I will not pry into it.

Sex scandal?!!! LOL please elaborate Tongue
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by edgesandnets edgesandnets wrote:

Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Some controversial/ interesting points so far, I look forward to blog posts dealing with all of them Wink

- What happened to Wang Yang? The website said he was disqualified for not following covid guidelines. Did this happen during a match or was it a quarantine issue? Also, the covid hygiene concept seems to be quite interesting here, lots of players blowing on the one ball, ends being changed, etc. I suppose since everyone there is tested a few times that is OK?

- Austria's Levenko couldn't deal with his Cho Daeseong's hidden serves and kept on popping them up, pushing them off the end or dumping them in the net. He was yellow carded for his vocal complaints but somehow escaped another card when he voiced his dissatisfaction again. Levenko then decided to use his best hidden serves himself which Cho couldn't deal with either. In the end Cho served Levenko off and Levenko told the umpire that her "eyes are so bad!" 

I do feel for Levenko, imagine being in such good form only to then be beaten by hidden serves. 


Thanks for the tip! I wrote a recap of the Levenko vs Cho match (https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/04/officiating-controversy-plagues-cho-daesongs-3-2-win-over-andreas-levenko/) and did an informal Instagram poll in which 65 percent of people thought Levenko's serves were not illegal. However, one player at the event said that they felt that Levnko's serves were illegal.

As for the COVID stuff, there seemed to be some chaos on opening day, but ITTF/WTT seems to prefer being tight-lipped on what happened. Although I would love to know if it's something juicy like a sex scandal happened regarding Wang Yang, at the moment I will not pry into it.

Sex scandal?!!! LOL please elaborate Tongue

For the record, there was NO sex scandal. I was just saying it would be funny if there was, because a player in the NBA was banned from playing because he violated covid protocol by having sex with a covid tester, and the whole situation was extremely funny. 
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Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Some controversial/ interesting points so far, I look forward to blog posts dealing with all of them Wink

- What happened to Wang Yang? The website said he was disqualified for not following covid guidelines. Did this happen during a match or was it a quarantine issue? Also, the covid hygiene concept seems to be quite interesting here, lots of players blowing on the one ball, ends being changed, etc. I suppose since everyone there is tested a few times that is OK?

- Austria's Levenko couldn't deal with his Cho Daeseong's hidden serves and kept on popping them up, pushing them off the end or dumping them in the net. He was yellow carded for his vocal complaints but somehow escaped another card when he voiced his dissatisfaction again. Levenko then decided to use his best hidden serves himself which Cho couldn't deal with either. In the end Cho served Levenko off and Levenko told the umpire that her "eyes are so bad!" 

I do feel for Levenko, imagine being in such good form only to then be beaten by hidden serves. 

Interesting how the players were not told to "not blow on the balls".  I know it's a habit that a lot of players have (even myself pre-Covid) that is hard to break. But you gotta change for the time being. IF the players don't shake hands, then they should not blow on the balls as simple as that.

The umpires/organizers/ITTF let this one slip thru the cracks.  A definite Covid No No!!!




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It was funny when the Umpire told Aruna vs Lin, "don't wipe your hands on the table"...Aruna served right into the table edge :)
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i hate the camera, why they just dont want to understand that the correct angle for tabletennis is not the front, not the side but 3/4 view of the table? 
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Much better writing than any of the ITTF articles for sure. Would love more analysis, stats, etc... and you can get a job as a pro commentator lol


I tried my hand at incorporating some stats into the blog in a last-minute women's finals preview: https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/06/mima-ito-vs-hina-hayata-finals-preview-a-statistical-approach/

The analysis is very primitive, but hopefully that can change if there's more data somehow
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Originally posted by edgesandnets edgesandnets wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Much better writing than any of the ITTF articles for sure. Would love more analysis, stats, etc... and you can get a job as a pro commentator lol


I tried my hand at incorporating some stats into the blog in a last-minute women's finals preview: https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/06/mima-ito-vs-hina-hayata-finals-preview-a-statistical-approach/

The analysis is very primitive, but hopefully that can change if there's more data somehow

Really interesting work Thumbs Up

If WTT really wants to “revolutionize” the presentation of table tennis, previews like this should be the norm!
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Originally posted by Snakefish Snakefish wrote:

Interesting how the players were not told to "not blow on the balls".  I know it's a habit that a lot of players have (even myself pre-Covid) that is hard to break. But you gotta change for the time being. IF the players don't shake hands, then they should not blow on the balls as simple as that.

The umpires/organizers/ITTF let this one slip thru the cracks.  A definite Covid No No!!!




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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by Snakefish Snakefish wrote:

Interesting how the players were not told to "not blow on the balls".  I know it's a habit that a lot of players have (even myself pre-Covid) that is hard to break. But you gotta change for the time being. IF the players don't shake hands, then they should not blow on the balls as simple as that.

The umpires/organizers/ITTF let this one slip thru the cracks.  A definite Covid No No!!!




If so they shouldn't touch same ball also :)


I remember at ITTF Grand Finals, Lily Zhang said in the commentary that hey were told not to blow on the balls or touch the tables, and in Ma Long's match vs Dima, he stopped himself for one point and then he kept doing it anyway. Obviously nobody's gonna fault freaking Ma Long for blowing on a ball, so maybe they just scrapped the rule or stopped enforcing it.

In my opinion, a lot of the measures look pretty useless such as calling a socially distant umpire to walk over next to you to scrub the table for several seconds instead of doing it yourself. However, I feel like it's added a wrinkle to the event where players basically get a free towel break by asking the umpire to wipe the table.
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by Snakefish Snakefish wrote:

Interesting how the players were not told to "not blow on the balls".  I know it's a habit that a lot of players have (even myself pre-Covid) that is hard to break. But you gotta change for the time being. IF the players don't shake hands, then they should not blow on the balls as simple as that.

The umpires/organizers/ITTF let this one slip thru the cracks.  A definite Covid No No!!!




If so they shouldn't touch same ball also :)


I have a solution for that.  Wear a latex rubber glove on the free hand.
On second thought, someone will say the serves will be improved.  
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Originally posted by edgesandnets edgesandnets wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by Snakefish Snakefish wrote:

Interesting how the players were not told to "not blow on the balls".  I know it's a habit that a lot of players have (even myself pre-Covid) that is hard to break. But you gotta change for the time being. IF the players don't shake hands, then they should not blow on the balls as simple as that.

The umpires/organizers/ITTF let this one slip thru the cracks.  A definite Covid No No!!!




If so they shouldn't touch same ball also :)


I remember at ITTF Grand Finals, Lily Zhang said in the commentary that hey were told not to blow on the balls or touch the tables, and in Ma Long's match vs Dima, he stopped himself for one point and then he kept doing it anyway. Obviously nobody's gonna fault freaking Ma Long for blowing on a ball, so maybe they just scrapped the rule or stopped enforcing it.

In my opinion, a lot of the measures look pretty useless such as calling a socially distant umpire to walk over next to you to scrub the table for several seconds instead of doing it yourself. However, I feel like it's added a wrinkle to the event where players basically get a free towel break by asking the umpire to wipe the table.


That umpire was weak, chickened out in not reminding/warning Ma Long NOT to blow on the ball.
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table 1 is being shown right now live on their WTT site sub and you can view TABLE 1 

T2,3,4 are on their YouTube Channel


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Originally posted by Stef Stef wrote:

Originally posted by edgesandnets edgesandnets wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Much better writing than any of the ITTF articles for sure. Would love more analysis, stats, etc... and you can get a job as a pro commentator lol


I tried my hand at incorporating some stats into the blog in a last-minute women's finals preview: https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/06/mima-ito-vs-hina-hayata-finals-preview-a-statistical-approach/

The analysis is very primitive, but hopefully that can change if there's more data somehow

Really interesting work Thumbs Up

If WTT really wants to “revolutionize” the presentation of table tennis, previews like this should be the norm!


Thank you! Here's a recap of Ito's final win (https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/06/mima-ito-wins-wtt-doha-event-with-4-2-finals-victory-over-hina-hayata/) and a similar post-game analysis (https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/07/mima-ito-vs-hina-hayata-a-statistical-analysis-revisited/) if you are interested!


Edited by edgesandnets - 03/08/2021 at 2:08pm
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