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eatmenot
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I was just pondering how we can go about raising our game level, from a mental perspective. We all have moments where we play really really good, pull off extrordinary shots etc.
The trick is I think is that we need to play at that level for a longer time. Honestly, I'd say 3% of my game is world class level. About 12% is A level, 40% B level, and the rest C level. If I could raise those levels then there be much improvement. Any body watch the dragon ball z saga? Its like maintaining super saiyon for a longer time period. I think thats how it should be. Any other thoughts on how to raise ones game? |
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world class practice partners.
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You should train hard like Son Goku did. If that doesn't work, embark on a quest to find the seven Dragon Balls and wish to become a Super Saiyan or the greatest tt player ever. yay |
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save about 5000 us dollars and train in china for a month 1 month of training there is equivalent to training longer in other countries
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kenneyy88
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trap yourself in a hyperbolic time chamber with some ppl and play for 15 years.
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eatmenot
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No I don't think that will work. You see players playing years on end, yet they are always at the same level. I think you have to find a really good partner/players and work at improving all aspects of the game. Playing 'bad' players can seriously mess up your game. If I get to train with the best players everyday, I'll be at their level at the very least.
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In_this_pace
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Well I once was talking to my coach about my perspectives and he said - those who start too late like you still can rapidly gain the skills but after few years you`ll reach your potential and stop to progress.
There`s a level system in post-soviet countries: 3rd level 2nd level 1st level candidate master of sports honoured master of sports world class master of sports For those who started playing after 16, 1st level is a top. To earn a master, you should start at least around 11-12, to be a world class player - around 6-8. For example, Fedor Kuzmin first took the blade in his hands at the age of 5, earned master at 14 and world class master at 18 |
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Jrking
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Does Talant come into play ?
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Jrking
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Some people can play for years, and it won't matter. They just don't have the game in them, I know this person who has been playing for years he is just not good. He doesn't have a great practice partner and doesn't devote enough time to the game at least 2 and a half to 3 hours of table training and 1 hour of serves and atleast a half an hour of jump rope everyday no breaks
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Sure it does. But it takes years to polish it. |
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Jrking
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It Sure Does
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creeder06
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ok so besides becoming a super saiyen, time traveling, or living with munks in china
is there anything the average guy can do to get better with normal means?
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if table tennis is to sports, what star wars is to movies, then you must be chewbacca.
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Jrking
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find a player on your level, go to the training hall and just start doing drills, like the falkenberg fh to fh bh to bh and get it to the point where you both can do these types of drills without even thinking, the key is repetition, Don't be discouraged if you can't get it right away, practicing is a skill that you must master it takes time
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a good coach and a great practice partner
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creeder06
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i think the practice partner is the hardest. no one wants to just practice, they all want to play, and i just want to practice, do drills, etc because playing matches does not seem to help as much. especially when i am making the same mistakes over and over and i have no idea how to fix them
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if table tennis is to sports, what star wars is to movies, then you must be chewbacca.
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Jrking
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Hey Creeder06 where do you live in the United States ?
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nicko@ttv
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creeder, i believe its true, practice is essential and i'm not sure what kind of level you are, but games practice is very important. If you find a partner willing to play games, don't just play the game to win, use technique, and when something goes wrong think about why. You mention that you don't know what your doing wrong, that is for a coach to work out.
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this i agree with but we dont have much of a coach and he dosent watch anyone play to tell them what they are doing wrong
and i kindov dont llike the advice i get from my coach any more he is the one that convinced me to switch to shake hand simply because he dosent know how to coach penhold so now i play shakehand and penhold equally well but not as well as i would like know what i mean
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if table tennis is to sports, what star wars is to movies, then you must be chewbacca.
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practice will obviously allow you to improve your strokes and correct your mistakes over time, but finding a partner isn't very easy either. You might want to train with world-class players to raise your standards, but how many world-class players want to train with you?
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Understanding the game you played and the mistake you commited will make you know what you are missing . People keep on playing games without even looking back at it . first find & then working on those mistakes is crucial for the improvement of a player . There is plenty to work on :-
serve , serve return , 3rd ball , push , block , loops , smash & strategy . Working all over this area will certainally improve overall game. |
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Equipment is another big factor. You can play horribly with some equipment and excellent with some other. It is also a good idea not to switch equipment too much, that can really wreck your game. But most importantly, I believe you need to find a blade rubber combination that will suit the game you want to be playing or can play. Theres like the chinese or the euro style of playing also. Determining which style and equipment suits you best is also vitally important.
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ryu seungminfan
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no world class players would play with any of us unless we pay. quite obvious...
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easyfiji
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There is always one part of your game that holds back the rest. You need to identify that part and correct it before focussing on other areas.
How many times have we seen players with excellent forehand and backhand loops, but they have no short game? You are only as good as the weakest part of your game. If you really want to improve, start with the weakest link. If you start learning how to flip effectively, it probably won't do you much good against most players who can't return or serve short. But you will start to notice the effect against the next level of player, the one that CAN serve short and can return short. |
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ryu seungminfan
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agreed!!!
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If you are an aggressive player, I can tell you one way to help.
My partner and I play a game called "no mercy". We usually do forhand to forhand first, then backhand to backhand and then any place on the table. About 15 minutes each is one heck of a workout. The only rule is, "Topspin loop drives or kills ONLY no matter how low the ball is". Playing this has shown just how low you can really loop or kill a ball. Alot lower that you think. It is a way to find the limits. In regular practice, you tend to play shots safe. By having to hit a low ball, you find out where the limits are. Both of us were surprized at the shots we could make. Now, this is not to say to play in competition like this. By playing this game, we both have improved in countering on balls that we might have blocked or moved back off the table. It has helped both of us stay in control of the table and forceing the other guy back in competition. One thing you will find is the more topspin on an incoming ball, the eaiser it is to counter, The incoming top being turned into your top going out. I am not talking brush loops but loop drives. The main thing you need is a willing partner and a bucket of balls. When the buckets empty, then go chase the balls. It is intense! |
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Jolan
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So true ! I've been thinking about this prob for years and I came to the conclusion that at a certain level you can do both, train and play, succesfully. I've imagined a wide serie of games where you go to 11 points and where you actually also practise regularity and important game schemes. Most of my students like it very much. We have a lot of fun and work becomes easy...
Caution ! This is for beginners, intermediate and confirmed players. No way it can apply to top region or national level .
This method pleases both few players who want hardtraining and majority who just wants to have fun and gentle swet.
Improvements in the play are noticeable but not spectacular due to the fact that most of my players are in their 30th or 40th. I'm not in charge of the kids (thks god, I've got already 3 at home !).
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work on 1 skill at a time!! beat it to dead and some more til you can do it with consistently with your eyes closed and without thinking about it. then move on to the next one. I know lots of people go to the club and start playing without thinking what they want to learn for the practice session and never improve on any skills. practice is for you to work on a particular skill. once you learned a new skill, you have to use it in a few practice games. it does not matter if you lose. your objective is to practice that skill. have someone observed your game and tell them to watch that particular shot. get their opinions what you did right or wrong for that shot and how to correct them. I know some people are so close minded that they do not listen to anybody comments even when they are paying $$$$ for lessons. it is like throwing $$$$ down the toilet and never improve.
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first you need a v.good coach which is a very good player use him as a blocker to work on what you like second you need a partner which is consistant
you need to have your mind and ability fully on the game this is how you become a great player
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Good idea, I doubt I can find a partner willing to do that though, esp when ppl are waiting for their turn to play. |
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Agree, and one thing I've missed all these years is performing serious drills, and attending clinics. That I will do soon!
However, practising playing games isn't a bad thing at all. It certainly has helped me in the past 5 years.
What I've been doing in games recently is playing weaker players and working on those areas that are not so strong, such as forehand, footwork, pushing and spinning. I've found it has helped, because it shows up in actual tournaments when I face higher level players. It makes the practice game challenging as well, since those weaker people I play games with would be too easy to beat if I play a conventional match with them. So I will do things like only use my forehand or only push back serves, or only give backhand serves or only go down the middle with a shot etc.
The cumulative effect of this has been that my level has improved, and those plays( forehand use, spinning) are easier for me, and win points in competition.
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