Short pips on BH: Players.

So, there is:

Tang Peng
Tan Rui Wu
Wang Tao

Can any of you add to this list of professional men, shakehand, table tennis players who use short pips on their backhand?

Thanks in advance.

roundrobin wrote: In U.S., there's Zhang Weijiang (rated 2618), a young professional coach in California.   Other world-class shakehand men with short pips:   -Hui Jun, Teng Yi (SP on FH, not backhand), Ding Song and Hou Yingchao (both chop with SP on BH).  Also Ma Wenge as a Chinese Provincial team member... He later switched to inverted on his BH after he made the Chinese national team.   As you can see, only a few male players used SP on BH at the world level...

Thanks roundrobin. I knew there would only be a handful, but I also knew that there had to be more than the 3 I was familiar with. Again, thanks for adding to my list.

I stopped playing with them, but I keep them on my clipper CR, and if i decide to play with them they are ready for me.

Wang Tao is a superb player.. Love his no non sense approach.. He coaches in the super league nowadays. I think I saw him on the bench of Beijing team once, and now he is with the Army team.
He is also a General in the China's Army, I believe..

Jang Song Man (PRK), chopper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHbh5jtlWa8#t=04m32s
Guo Kai who plays in the Swedish leagues


Edited by GeneralSpecific - 10/12/2010 at 8:40pm

I don't know I can't find it anywhere. On another note, my god did u see the point at 6:30? Guo Kai pulled out some MONSTER backhand snaps

Edited by GeneralSpecific - 10/12/2010 at 9:23pm

I do, but I haven't made the jump to professional yet.  I'll be sure to add my name once I do.

The following is a derailing of this thread, but since I started the thread I guess it's okay. I forgive myself. 

Tonight was my first night back after a month and half hiatus due to total table tennis burnout. It was also my first night using short pips on my backhand, my first night trying Giant Dragon Tai Chi Hard on my forehand, and my first time using my XIOM V1 in about a year. All I can say to this setup is, "Where have you been all my life?!"

It was beautiful. The short pips on the BH suit my game perfectly, allowing me to control the point until I could manage to end it with a forehand kill. I won't deny that I was a little rusty, but that makes me even more excited for the day soon to come when I get my game back up to par and fully tame the short pips.

The Tai Chi Hard is, so far, a great rubber. Excellent combination of speed, spin, and control, with a throw right in the medium range. I'm surprised I haven't heard more people talk about this rubber. One of my training partners, who uses short pips on his forehand, had trouble keeping my loops on the table. Another training partner had no hope at all. Of course, with many hard, tacky rubbers there is a break in period in which the characteristics of the rubber change. I hope Tai Chi does not change much. Right out of the package it was good to go and did not let me down once. (That is, I could definitely see that all the mistakes I made were my own and not due to some funny or inconsistent quality of the rubber.) I can't ask for more.

The XIOM V1 is exactly what the company pitches it as: An excellent close-to-the-table attacking blade. Great speed for as light at it is, and awesome control. Due to the carbon layer and the walnut outer layer, it has a very sharp feel to it, which I'm liking so far but which may not be for everyone. My transition from FH to BH was much better thanks to this fairly light setup (which was made even lighter by the 1.8mm SPs on one side).

Now, before I sound like I'm full of myself, I will be the first to admit that I'm not terribly good. My excitement stems mainly from my impressions of this new setup. I played really well tonight and I must say that much of it had to do with a change in equipment. I miss my Acoustic to be sure, but this setup suits my game very well. I will also openly admit that I've decided to use SPs on my BH in order to cover up my poor backhand technique. And not surprisingly, my service return was way better and, most importantly, I kept so many more balls on the table. Yes, it's true: I'm hiding poor technique with equipment. But I don't care--I'm having fun!

beeray1 wrote: Wait till you play with short pips for about a year, you'll feel so much better about it. The shots you can pull off from off the bounce are ridiculous sometimes.

I'm definitely excited to see how I progress once I "understand" them. I'm also interested to see how some slightly more "junky" short pips will play. Right now I'm using 802-40 because I heard they're closest to inverted and I figured it would be an easier transition. But I also ordered some TSP Spectol to try out once I think I have the hang of the 802-40. (I heard that Spectol can produce junkier balls, i.e., better short pip effect.)

P.S. Beeray, you totally ignored my recent PM.

Anton Chigurh wrote: beeray1 wrote: Wait till you play with short pips for about a year, you'll feel so much better about it. The shots you can pull off from off the bounce are ridiculous sometimes. I'm definitely excited to see how I progress once I "understand" them. I'm also interested to see how some slightly more "junky" short pips will play. Right now I'm using 802-40 because I heard they're closest to inverted and I figured it would be an easier transition. But I also ordered some TSP Spectol to try out once I think I have the hang of the 802-40. (I heard that Spectol can produce junkier balls, i.e., better short pip effect.) P.S. Beeray, you totally ignored my recent PM.

Edited by Jonan - 10/13/2010 at 2:49pm

beeray1 wrote: It is really a combination- You can't loop off the table really with Spectol even in 2.15mm. If you do, its going to be slow and lifeless because the pips offer almost nothing along with what the sponge can do from back there. While 802-40 you can still use decently.   If you block a heavy loop with 802-40, it will go back dead at best. Even dead ball blocking is difficult with that stuff (could be that I wasn't as good when I tried it) but spectol can throw underspin back on its own.   But i agree with what you're saying generally- if you want good pip effect, you need a thinner sponge. Thicker sponge is more about attacking.

I'm just now learning about pips, so forgive what are likely remedial questions/observations.

I'm using 802-40 with a 1.8mm sponge. What I like about it is that I can return serves much easier, I can block more consistently, I keep the ball on the table more, and my "natural" backhand technique just seems to work much better with pips.

I don't want to get too "junky" with pips--otherwise, why not just use anti or LPs? Like I may have mentioned previously, I play for fun and SPs seem to cover up some bad technique that I'm not interested in improving with the investment of lots of hard work. Sue me . I also don't want to get into a rubber that wins points for me... at least not outright. I'd rather "trick" someone into giving a weak return so I can kill it than just watch them miss balls due to their lack of familiarity with "tricky" rubber.

So, since I basically want "super-forgiving" rubber that I can control well and hit with a lot (rather than loop with a lot), and that might induce some weak and easily attacked returns, then would you say that I'm better off sticking with 802-40? Or do you think Spectol is worth a try?

beeray1 wrote: If you like what you have, stick to it. If you feel like it's helping you then it is a good option. Spectol like i said only throws reversal back under heavy heavy loops and you can also hit knuckle balls if you go completely flat through the ball and hit closer to the handle. With short pips- ideally and usually you want to hit much more towards the tip of the racket with a quick snap and no follow through (when flat hitting)

Right on. Thanks much!

rawrtje wrote: Been watching Chen Qi matches all day and had this idea that he would've made a pretty sick short pips BH player. Anyone else think so?

I can see that. Close to the table attacking and blocking, a lot of flat hitting as opposed to looping. Seems like SPs would work very well for him... but I'm sure there's a very good reason he doesn't use them. I don't have "faith" in many things, but I do have faith in the choices of the Chinese with regard to table tennis.

The video from the Swedish league is great, thanks!  Always good to see examples.  This guy is so quick he can take most of the balls with his forehand when he gets pushed off the table.  Great footwork!!!  The very first point on the video shows what can happen when you have to use the SP from distance.  You can see that he is pretty much hosed.  IN some later points this guy pulled off a few awesome SP BHs from off the table, so I am going to watch this video a few more times and study the technique some.