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blahness 
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 Topic: Timo Boll tipsPosted: 07/02/2021 at 8:03am |
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For the unbelievers, check out tip 3 which Timo shows how he closes the racket angle during contact
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Twiddler
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Posted: 07/02/2021 at 10:42am |
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Super info.
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zeio
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Posted: 07/02/2021 at 11:41am |
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For those wondering what this is all about:
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=89854&PID=1112095&title=looping-racket-angle#1112095 |
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kindof99
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Posted: 07/02/2021 at 12:44pm |
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Really hope more members can subscribe to TB's YouTube channel.
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Simon_plays
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Posted: 07/03/2021 at 7:59am |
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Hi,
Oh come on! Give me a break! What's the big deal here? Mjamja has been, for years, bombarding this forum on the virtues of abdominal tension. He won't shut up about it. Just think of all the times his postings include this tip. On a personal note, my association with the video is also profound: my edge tape usage is exactly the same as Timo Boll's! How many can say that?! Thanks.
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Muhammad Ali reacted to light in 150 milliseconds, near the theoretical limit of human visual reaction time.
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blahness
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Posted: 07/03/2021 at 9:19am |
Lmao... abdominal tension is such a weird ass term for bracing the core
is it some sort of German language thing? |
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Posted: 07/03/2021 at 2:18pm |
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In his slow mo of the technique, does his paddle even wrap around the ball?! I see he opens before swinging, though his paddle angle doesn't do a whole lot of pronation.
His incorrect examples make more sense, in that you can see the bad angles at the start and bad follow through. I guess the real life application is so small in execution making it harder to detect, but easy to see when someone is doing it badly.
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blahness
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Posted: 07/04/2021 at 12:26am |
Yeah it's a subtle movement, just a slight closing of the angle at contact...
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mjamja
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Posted: 07/04/2021 at 12:39am |
I think Don misunderstood my posting about abdominal tension. I was referring to my tendency to throw up before any important match. I am sure Timo is talking about something different. Mark - Who has had to quit having Taco Bell Burrito Supremes with extra guacamole before his matches. Now it is strained pears or apple sauce from Gerber.
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BH-Man
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Posted: 07/04/2021 at 4:16am |
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Mark,
The owner of Triangle TTC, when he ran a club in DC area (at the Volleyball place) ate some serious quantity of Popeye's Chicken 30 minutes before matchtime in a tourney... ... as expected, he didn't exactly perform his best. HASHTAG #Popeye's Kryptonite
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DonnOlsen
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Posted: 07/04/2021 at 6:54am |
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I was referring to my tendency to throw up before any important match.
Prior to important games, the Basketball Hall of Famer Bill Russell would throw up. That you continue to insist on implicit name dropping, associating your athletic engagements with the best that ever lived is unseemly. [No, on your best day you cannot take Xu Xin to deuce.] But the followers of your postings are on to you, so you can cease and desist. As I was instructed so eloquently in my youth: "Don't get the big head!" Continuing my surveillance.
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Posted: 07/04/2021 at 9:04am |
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About a year ago I thought about that angle thing Timo is explaining and changed exactly what he said. I know that before I'd on the backswing keep the racket pretty closed, this made me make the mistake Timo is explaining. I'd have to open the racket on the forward swing to compensate (if I happened to close it too much on the backswing, which happened most of the time). It's much easier to go from open to closed and I see every top player doing exactly that. No top player that I've seen start with a closed racket and open it during the swing, it's always the other way round. Though I've never thought of it as consciously closing the angle on the forward swing, it just happens automatically as a result from the body movement/rotation. And the reason opening the racket during the swing would be more inconsistent would be because the body mechanics wouldn't allow for the racket opening, it's something you'd have to consciously do with your arm and would go against what the body is doing, therefore it doesn't work well.
I believe the backswing is the only conscious thing you do with your arm and if you backswing with the wrong perspective the forward swing will also be messed up. Though I'm not sure it's a good idea to consciously open the racket much on the backswing either.. it should be natural and not forced. I'm also not sure it's a good idea to consciously close the angle on contact, that closing will just happen automatically if the mechanics prior to the contact were correct. In my FH loops here, am I "wrapping"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlJrohhjHU4 For my training partners smash at 0:23 you can see his racket is maybe a tiny bit closed or neutral at the start and goes to way closed after contact. Is that wrapping? |
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zeio
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Posted: 07/05/2021 at 3:27am |
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Wanted to write in more detail, but it's too much of a hassle. To keep it short, motion capture is necessary to "visualize" pronation/supination and radial/ulnar deviation, namely through joint angular velocity, in addition to joint angle that was discussed in the links below.
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73224&PID=899704&title=topspin-contactball#899704 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78199&PID=967094&title=hitting-then-grasping-ball-looping#967094 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81091&PID=1006620&title=pronation-supination#1006620 Edited by zeio - 07/05/2021 at 3:31am |
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Posted: 07/05/2021 at 5:02am |
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I just want to point out that the "keep low stance" tip doesn't work for short fellows. To the contrary, you need to stay as high as possible  bh countering a loop at the height of your face is not pleasant, trust me. :) Edited by seguso - 07/05/2021 at 5:06am |
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