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    Posted: 12/23/2010 at 8:39am
My club is going to purchase a few tables soon.  We were looking at the Joola 3000 SC tables (from the Baltimore tournament).  

I saw them mentioned by another member in the "where is the love...Joola" thread. 

For those whom have played on this table, how does the bounce/feel compare to the Butterfly Centerfolds I have played on at the US Open or other ITTF German top tables?   I know the thickness is 22mm not 25mm, but can you say that any of the ITTF approved tables that are 22mm do not have as good of bounce as the 25mm ones?  

Thanks for any opinions from those whom have used this and other comparable top end tables.


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I personally think the JOOLA 3000 SC is comparable to the Buterfly Centerfold 25.

Pros and cons of the JOOLA table-

Pros-

1.  Made and designed in Germany.
2.  Robust undercarriage.
3.  High density 22mm wood surface.
4.  Large wheels for transport, very smooth roller.
5.  Clean design using oversized hardware.

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1.  Friggin' heavy! (Actually a pro too, until you have to lift it.)
2.  Hinge pins are above the table surface in the middle.  They don't affect play but they are noticeable.
3.  Undercarriage paint is soft.

Bounce is comparable.  Bounce is a product of environment- not only table surface, but also undercarriage, flooring, room size, air pressure.  If you're playing in a football dome, the ball will travel slower because the air pressure is higher and the airspace is bigger.  If you're playing in a basement room the ball will travel faster because the air volume is smaller and the pressure is normalized.  Tables are faster on concrete, slower on carpet.

There is a difference between a 22mm and 25mm surface made similarly- the thicker one should resist warping better everything else equal.  There is no discernible playing difference- the ball "ping" sound is exactly the same (the sound is drastically different with a 18mm or thinner table).  The "made in China" tops do not seem to have the same high density as the German tops so I would arguably say the 22mm German tops are better value and higher quality than a 25mm Chinese top, and are a huge step up from a 22mm Chinese top.

Top surface paint is comparable to the Butterfly Centerfold 25mm.  Just as clean, just as hard, just as matte.  Makes a difference when we're used to playing on older Chinese made tables and the paint turns the balls light blue after a few hours use.  Also, we don't get pock/hit/skid marks on the paint on the JOOLA table from the ball hits like we do on the China sourced tables.

I don't know what else you would compare.  I think the JOOLA 3000 SC is a very good buy for institutional/club/tournament use, and is probably severely overkill for home or recreational use unless the player is a serious national level player.


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In general, if all of the table manufacturers are using equivalent grade chip board for their surface, then a 22 mm thick table will be only 68% as stiff as a 25 mm thick table.   The lower stiffness makes the table slower and the ball bounce lower.
 
If you have the money, I would not choose anything less than 25 mm in thickness.
 
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Originally posted by JRSDallas JRSDallas wrote:

In general, if all of the table manufacturers are using equivalent grade chip board for their surface...

They don't.  German standards are different from Chinese standards.  Nothing equivalent about them.  Don't be caught up in the hype of table top thickness- undercarriage is as important, if not more so.  An extreme example of differing quality would be an Escalade Sports "Ping Pong"/"Stiga" branded 1" table being nowhere near the same build and materials quality as a Butterfly Centerfold 25 or JOOLA 3000 SC, (we have one of these low grade tables in our club to compare directly).
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Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

My club is going to purchase a few tables soon.  We were looking at the Joola 3000 SC tables (from the Baltimore tournament).  

I saw them mentioned by another member in the "where is the love...Joola" thread. 

For those whom have played on this table, how does the bounce/feel compare to the Butterfly Centerfolds I have played on at the US Open or other ITTF German top tables?   I know the thickness is 22mm not 25mm, but can you say that any of the ITTF approved tables that are 22mm do not have as good of bounce as the 25mm ones?  

Thanks for any opinions from those whom have used this and other comparable top end tables.




I think if it's good enough for the Olympics, it's good enough for any club.  I have the 2000-S at home and I have no complaints about it whatsoever.


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I own a Butterfly Centerfold 25 and have played on many Joola 3000 SC tables. Of the two, the Joola 3000 SC's frameworks/wheels are sturdier but the Butterfly plays better. The Joola's surface is slicker and a tad faster. The Joola's blue color is also darker than other manufacturers' blue tables, including Butterfly.
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nathanso- it's hard for me to compare two different tables if they aren't side by side in the same playing conditions.  No joke, the Centerfold 25 is THE standard as far as I'm concerned, but for quite a bit less ($200 if you're comparing tournament used pricing) you can get a damn good JOOLA table.  I can't compare a table we played on in Grand Rapids vs. our club location- too completely different environments.

I think the true test is the longevity of the table, and I have no idea if the JOOLA is as good as the Butterfly in that department.  I don't think my club wants to find out- we're probably going to continuously cycle through the tables to keep them fresh.

And for us, JOOLA USA has great customer service to boot.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rich215 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/24/2010 at 2:52pm
nathanso.....thanks for your precise info comparing the 3000 SC to the Centerfold 25, that is what I was looking for since I have not seen or played on a 3000SC yet.    

NickW.....thanks as well for your good info...I did not know about the hinge pin deal on the 3000 SC.

JRDallas.....I was also wondering about ITTF tables that were only 22mm and not 25mm. 

What about the new Stiga 30mm table?




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Necroing this thread: Has anyone experienced the piano hinge breaking on the underside and then attempting to fix them? I will upload a picture later.
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Originally posted by patrickhrdlicka patrickhrdlicka wrote:

Necroing this thread: Has anyone experienced the piano hinge breaking on the underside and then attempting to fix them? I will upload a picture later.
Talk about digging up an ancient thread.  Where's Tutankhamen?

We have six of the 3000SC tables and are about 8 or 9 years old and have't experienced any hinge problems, but we don't fold them.  So what is it you're talking about?
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We have to set-up and take-down our tables very often since we don't have 24/7 access to our room. Each table, on average is set-up / taken down four times per week so the hinge mechanisms see a lot of use, which becomes exacerbated with incorrect technique. I will post pictures this evening.  
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