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    Posted: 11/07/2019 at 7:44pm
look what I got! finally I can reveal it to the public

Xiom Vega X
Cut Weight: 48 grams
Weight:72 grams (uncut)
Speed: Very Fast
Spin Very high
Type: ESN
Sponge hardness: approx 47.5 degrees (need confirmation)






Xiom Omega 7 Hyper

Cut Weight: 50 grams
Weight: 79 grams
Hardness: 55 degrees
Speed: Extremely Fast
Spin: Extreme
Type: ESN rubber














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Yogi,

is it true that Omega VII is a hybrid? I've been super fascinated ever since I heared about it a few months ago. Very much look forward to the review.
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I have posted a review in ttd

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?22222-Xiom-Omega-7-Hyper-and-Vega-X&p=294698#post294698

It is not a hybrid. It is purely ESN rubber with no tacky or Chinese characteristics.
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somebody should tell the companies that some of us want lighter rubbers. Exclamation
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Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

somebody should tell the companies that some of us want lighter rubbers. Exclamation
Do you think they care? Just wait for the Omega X Adamantium to see what heavy means...
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As what I have said before. It is an arms race because of the polyball. Companies will find ways to make the gameplay faster. Blame the Ittf. 
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ok here is the rundown on the performance of both rubbers. You can check the longer and detailed reviews on the link I provided above.

Omega Hyper 7:
1. heavy rubber at 80 grams
2. pores are much smaller compared to Omega 7 Pro and also much more dense
3. speed is one of the 2 the major advantages of Hyper. This is the fastest and bounciest 
rubber in the market right now. it is quite powerful even at far distance even if you are only using an off all wood blade. 
4. spin is quite vicious as the ball kicks the table when you loop. It is in the level of Tenergy 05 or Tenergy 05H in the spin department.
5. The combination of the spin and speed capabilities of the Hyper overwhelms Tenergy 05H.
6. Unlike other hard rubbers that are non-tacky, the Hyper is quite spinny.
7. Downside is that it needs at least an advanced level to be fully utilized.

Vega X
1. this is called the Vega Ten hence the X letter
2. also heavy at 74 grams uncut
3. Topsheet is very grippy and offers more spin than Vega pro
4. This is the 2nd fastest rubber in the Vega series after the Vega Tour
5. This was designed for intermediate players who are not yet ready to use much more advanced rubbers such as Omega 7 and Omega V rubbers.
6. In my opinion, the Vega Pro is quite outdated as it is about 10 years old already so probably
this is the reason why Xiom produced this rubber.
7. Spin is more compared to Vega Pro but lesser than Omega V Pro.
8. Price is in the range of Vega Pro.
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How does VII Hyper differ from VII Tour?
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Hyper is way faster than Tour. It has a longer trajectory and spin is a few notches higher. 

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Hi Yogi, always a pleasure reading through your reviews. 
is vII TOUR much faster than V tour or Pro? 

Since you got your hands on these rubbers earlier than the market itself, do you know if Xiom has plans of releasing the new Tau ? 


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Originally posted by asifgunz asifgunz wrote:

Hi Yogi, always a pleasure reading through your reviews. 
is vII TOUR much faster than V tour or Pro? 

Since you got your hands on these rubbers earlier than the market itself, do you know if Xiom has plans of releasing the new Tau ? 


All of the Omega VIIs are much faster than their Omega V versions
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Originally posted by asifgunz asifgunz wrote:

Hi Yogi, always a pleasure reading through your reviews. 
is vII TOUR much faster than V tour or Pro? 

Since you got your hands on these rubbers earlier than the market itself, do you know if Xiom has plans of releasing the new Tau ? 

Generalspecific is correct. The sponge for the 7 series are all more responsive and bouncy than the 5 series.

The Tau II will probably be released early next year.
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I believe Calderano will change to this O7H...
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Do you have any info on Xiom Tau II? I miss the original Tau. The very hard sponge was several years ahead of its time as sponge that hard wasn't widely accepted back then. Now it's a different story. I'm looking forward to give Tau II a try when it becomes available!
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anyone know the release date? 
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

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6. In my opinion, the Vega Pro is quite outdated as it is about 10 years old already so probably
this is the reason why Xiom produced this rubber.
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It is not outdated just like T05 isn't either and that is even older rubber.

May be true only if you refer to top professionals but I doubt they read this forum.
For the rest Vega Pro is still very good.
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Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

anyone know the release date? 

December or January
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Originally posted by dajdosta dajdosta wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

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6. In my opinion, the Vega Pro is quite outdated as it is about 10 years old already so probably
this is the reason why Xiom produced this rubber.
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It is not outdated just like T05 isn't either and that is even older rubber.

May be true only if you refer to top professionals but I doubt they read this forum.
For the rest Vega Pro is still very good.

It is quite outdated and Tenergy is quite advanced at its time that Vega Pro is NOT in its level. 
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Originally posted by dajdosta dajdosta wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

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6. In my opinion, the Vega Pro is quite outdated as it is about 10 years old already so probably
this is the reason why Xiom produced this rubber.
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It is not outdated just like T05 isn't either and that is even older rubber.

May be true only if you refer to top professionals but I doubt they read this forum.
For the rest Vega Pro is still very good.

It is quite outdated and Tenergy is quite advanced at its time that Vega Pro is NOT in its level. 

It is not outdated, it works well with new ball.
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

anyone know the release date? 

December or January

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Originally posted by dajdosta dajdosta wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Originally posted by dajdosta dajdosta wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

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6. In my opinion, the Vega Pro is quite outdated as it is about 10 years old already so probably
this is the reason why Xiom produced this rubber.
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It is not outdated just like T05 isn't either and that is even older rubber.

May be true only if you refer to top professionals but I doubt they read this forum.
For the rest Vega Pro is still very good.

It is quite outdated and Tenergy is quite advanced at its time that Vega Pro is NOT in its level. 

It is not outdated, it works well with new ball.

Yes it is. Even beginners can use it nowadays because the polyball has affected its performance. 
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Vega Pro is great for lower levels of play even to this day. For higher levels of play, even back in 2009 it wasn't as good as Tenergy 05. I would say that these days it is outdated for intermediate level play (think 2000-2400 USATT). It is still an excellent choice for under that level.
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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Vega Pro is great for lower levels of play even to this day. For higher levels of play, even back in 2009 it wasn't as good as Tenergy 05. I would say that these days it is outdated for intermediate level play (think 2000-2400 USATT). It is still an excellent choice for under that level.


2000-2400 is intermediate? Confused
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Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Vega Pro is great for lower levels of play even to this day. For higher levels of play, even back in 2009 it wasn't as good as Tenergy 05. I would say that these days it is outdated for intermediate level play (think 2000-2400 USATT). It is still an excellent choice for under that level.


2000-2400 is intermediate? Confused


On a world scale, I'm being generous calling it intermediate. It's closer to beginner when you consider it like that.
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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Vega Pro is great for lower levels of play even to this day. For higher levels of play, even back in 2009 it wasn't as good as Tenergy 05. I would say that these days it is outdated for intermediate level play (think 2000-2400 USATT). It is still an excellent choice for under that level.

Wow you must be one of the greatest players in history to think 2400 is intermediate.
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Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Vega Pro is great for lower levels of play even to this day. For higher levels of play, even back in 2009 it wasn't as good as Tenergy 05. I would say that these days it is outdated for intermediate level play (think 2000-2400 USATT). It is still an excellent choice for under that level.

Wow you must be one of the greatest players in history to think 2400 is intermediate.


It has nothing to do with what I personally think. It is an objective fact that 2400s are incapable of performing in any significant capacity on an international level.
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2300 is Master level. Not enough to compete internationally (except cadets), enough mastery to train almost every player. My estimate is that 1-2% of players are above this. Few post here.

2000 is advanced for sure. In chess this is considered "expert", and less than 10% achieve this level.
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Kanak Jha is 2700+ USATT and his score in German TTBL is 1:7. But that's off-topic.

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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Vega Pro is great for lower levels of play even to this day. For higher levels of play, even back in 2009 it wasn't as good as Tenergy 05. I would say that these days it is outdated for intermediate level play (think 2000-2400 USATT). It is still an excellent choice for under that level.

Wow you must be one of the greatest players in history to think 2400 is intermediate.


It has nothing to do with what I personally think. It is an objective fact that 2400s are incapable of performing in any significant capacity on an international level.

So you're implying that anything below being able to perform well at an international level is intermediate. Out of all the stupid things I've seen on this forum, this is one of the stupidest.


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Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Vega Pro is great for lower levels of play even to this day. For higher levels of play, even back in 2009 it wasn't as good as Tenergy 05. I would say that these days it is outdated for intermediate level play (think 2000-2400 USATT). It is still an excellent choice for under that level.

Wow you must be one of the greatest players in history to think 2400 is intermediate.


It has nothing to do with what I personally think. It is an objective fact that 2400s are incapable of performing in any significant capacity on an international level.

So you're implying that anything below being able to perform well at an international level is intermediate. Out of all the stupid things I've seen on this forum, this is one of the stupidest.
He didn't say that, he just said those who are 2400 can't play internationally. 

Say for instance, the bracket between 2400-2600 also cannot play internationally (which I'm not accepting or denying). That would also hold from what General said, you are just misinterpreting what he's saying to likely use it as firepower against him LOL
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