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    Posted: 10/03/2020 at 11:19pm
HELP!!! I need to find a blade that has these qualities:
  • Hard
  • Stiff 
  • 5-ply All-wood
  • Standard weight (grams = 80 - 89 with 85/86 being the optimal target)
  • Great control and feel. 
  • ALL would be best, but I can make anything from DEF+ to OFF- work. 
Any suggestions? I'll be using LP on BH and SP on FH. I don't loop, so no need for dwell time.

Thanks!!


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Hi Tommy,

Just wondering - If you want a stiff, hard blade, and you're not much into looping/dwell-time, then wouldn't a 7-ply blade be more suitable ? 

Anyway, some stiff'ish/hard'ish 5-ply blades that come to mind, at this point are

  • Donic Waldner Black Power
  • Stiga Allround Classic CR
  • Stiga Tube Allround WRB
  • Friendship/729 C-5 (I'm using this cheap blade, and it's surprisingly good)
Oooh... an after-thought - Stiga Nostalgic Allround - Tried this one, just before the lockdown, and it felt quite nice ... Also, saw this blade naked, before the rubbers were glued on ... An absolute beauty... 





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I tried several 7-plys, and for some reason they don't work out . . . I've owned dozens of Clippers, a few P700s, Ludiack, etc. I played my best with all-wood, stiff, 5-plys like Stiga Ebenholz V. Thanks for the suggestions!!
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Ebenholz V or Rosewood V should do, but your weight expectations are really strange :) At least for FL handle 85 - 90 is optimal range, is it not? 
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Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

Ebenholz V or Rosewood V should do, but your weight expectations are really strange :) At least for FL handle 85 - 90 is optimal range, is it not? 

Thanks for the response. I used an Ebenholz V for a couple years and regret selling. 

Maybe my weight request was clear . . . when I wrote "80s" I meant from 80 - 89, which is the common weight for most blades.
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If you want DEF+ up to OFF- blades, then it is hard to get a stiff 5-ply allwood blade.  Most of these blades are quite elastic / nearly stiff at best.

I would say the discontinued BTY Mazunov but it is heavy and OFF+ (above your requirement)

A bit stiff ALL blade will be Stiga Allround NCT.

A stiffer OFF blade will be Stratus Power Wood or Xiom Offensive S or Yasaka Extra Offensive.   But they are faster than your OFF- requirement.

"Nearly stiff" OFF- such as Dicon will be quite elastic for 40+ plastic ball.  They used to be nearly stiff with 38 mm ball.




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My speed range might seem odd . . . it's because I can provide power (DEF/ALL) or back off a little (OFF) if needed. I've used so many rackets over the years . . . easy to adjust power-wise. But I need solid, stiff and not too thick. I guess I could simply go up to OFF+ and adjust my rubbers. Wish I could play with 7-ply, but for some reason I cannot feel the ball with thicker and more plies. 
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Originally posted by doraemon doraemon wrote:

BTY Mazunov but it is heavy and OFF+ (above your requirement) 

I just checked . . . they are still available, but average over 100g. You weren't kidding when you said, "heavy."


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Try a Butterfly Diode V.  This is the blade that replaced the Joo Se Hyuk blade. You’ll have to see if the lightest one a retailer has can end up under 90 grams, but it’s a great 5 ply that is hard and relatively stiff.  Mine is at 96 grams but is balanced.  Of course with the larger head size, max thickness and heavy rubbers can weigh it down. 
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Butterfly Diode V looks sweet, and it's $100, not $300. Reviews claim it has more flex than Joo Se Hyuk, but I'm sure a little oversealing can fix that. ;-) Unfortunately, that might also reduce the feel a little.
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https://tt-maximum.com/en/shop/blades/yinhe-milkyway-t-9-pro-combi

you can probably find it cheaper from a vendor in China

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Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

Butterfly Diode V looks sweet, and it's $100, not $300. Reviews claim it has more flex than Joo Se Hyuk, but I'm sure a little oversealing can fix that. ;-) Unfortunately, that might also reduce the feel a little.

I've played with this blade a couple of time ... quite nice.. It's less stiff, when compared to JSH, but is still stiff ...  The one I played with had an XIOM Vega Pro, and Bomb Talent with a very thin sponge, but still felt like I was playing with a slab of cement .. I was informed that the Diode V weighs at 90+gms, on average...


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...how about Nittaku Endless (I'll keep recommending as and when I remember) . It ticks all the boxes, for you..
  • 5-Ply
  • Seemed Stiff (to me)
  • Hard'ish
  • Pretty Light
  • On the slower side (this is where it falls-short for me, especially on the FH attacks... BH with LP is nice) 
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Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

HELP!!! I need to find a blade that has these qualities:
  • Hard
  • Stiff 
  • 5-ply All-wood
  • Standard weight (grams = 80 - 89 with 85/86 being the optimal target)
  • Great control and feel. 
  • ALL would be best, but I can make anything from DEF+ to OFF- work. 
Any suggestions? I'll be using LP on BH and SP on FH. I don't loop, so no need for dwell time.

Thanks!!

Donic Burn OFF- seems to match every request.
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Donic Burn OFF- seems to match every request.

I'm using a Donic Appensnapper now. Burn OFF- is intriguing, but the control rating is average. I'm not worried about the SP on FH, but wonder if I need to adjust my search to accommodate LP on BH.


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See http://mytabletennis.net/forum/some-new-2015-yinhe-blades_topic73121.html for the comments on the Yinhe Pro 5W. See http://www.princett.com/EN/USD/product/Galaxy-Pro-5W-Table-Tennis-Blade-5-ply-pure-woodProvince-Team-246.html for $29, takes about 2-3 weeks to the USA these days. Also the Yinhe racket case is $3.40 and pretty good :-) So this is like a Yasaka Ma Lin Extra Offensive but with a better handle I think (I don't like elliptic handles). I just ordered one so I don't really know yet.
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look at Victas Koji Matsushita off
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Stiga Nostalgic Allround is on my wishlist.
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Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

Stiga Emerald

Stiga are my favorite mass-produced blades. They do not have the finishing quality of Butterfly, Nittaku, etc., but they play really well. Some blades you might be able to get away w/o sealants, but not Stiga . . . the top-plies are often stuck in the removed rubbers. I don't mind as I seal blades. 


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